Nationals 3, Mets 2: A Game Undeserving of a Snappy Headline
It certainly felt like a Monday at CitiField, with both teams struggling to get into gear after a weekend that I'm sure was long for both of them. R.A. Dickey limited the Nats to one Ryan Zimmerman single over the first four innings, but the Mets could only manage a Nick Evans single and Jason Bay walk over the same span against Ross Detwiler, a lefty they touched up for six runs in three innings just 10 days ago. It was hard to tell if this was a case of pitchers being on top of their game or the hitters being off theirs. In either case, the early going went by quickly, yet still had the dragging feel of your average Steve Trachsel start. (Remember those? Ugh.)
Dickey found his first spot of trouble in the top of the fifth, when Jayson Werth led things off with a double. Rick Ankiel next hit a grounder toward short that Jose Reyes tossed to third, hoping to throw out Werth, but David Wright (whose fielding has been especially putrid lately) inexplicably dropped the throw, putting runners on the corners with nobody out. Dickey responded with a strikeout of Chris Marrero, but then ceded an RBI single to Wilson Ramos. A Detwiler sac bunt and strikeout of Brian Bixler minimized the damage, but the Nats were up 1-0.
Dickey struck out the side in the top of the sixth to bring his K total up to seven. Unfortunately, the strikeouts sandwiched a trio of singles by Zimmerman, Werth, and Ankiel that expanded Washington's lead to 2-0. Meanwhile, Detwiler set down the Mets in order in the fifth, got the first two outs in the sixth, and appeared to be cruising.
Out of nowhere, Detwiler's control and luck deserted him. Justin Turner worked a full count, then walked. Then, he fell behind Lucas Duda before walking him as well. Wright partially atoned for his error by lining Detwiler's first pitch into center field for an RBI single, and Angel Pagan dropped a ball just fair down the right field line for a game-tying double. Just like that, Detwiler's night was over. Todd Coffey struck out Jason Bay to keep the game tied.
The Nats attempted to come right back when Wilson Ramos led off the top of the seventh with a bloop single to left. He moved to second on a wild pitch and to third on a sac bunt, but when he attempted to score on a Brian Bixler grounder to short, Ramos was caught in a rundown and tagged out. Unfortunately, Bixler was able to move to second during the rundown, which allowed him to score when Stephen Lombardozzi hit a single, his first major league hit. Would that it had waited for another day.
For once, the Mets bullpen managed to not make things worse, as Josh Stinson and Daniel Herrera combined for a scoreless top of the eighth and DJ Corrasco and Tim Byrdak did the same in the ninth. Alas, Tyler Clippard retired the Mets in order in the seventh and eight, barely breaking a sweat in the effort. Wright managed to get the first Met baserunner against the Nats' bullpen when he walked on four pitches to open the bottom of the ninth. Despite the fact that Moneyball ads were seen all over CitiField this weekend, Terry Collins asked Pagan to bunt Wright into scoring position, but no one came close to driving him in. Bay was struck out looking on a nasty slider, and Nick Evans popped up the first pitch he saw to put the Mets out of their misery.
Thus the Mets lost their third game in a row, and the once modest goal of reaching .500 seems more and more pipe dreamy with each passing day. Oh, and Reyes went 0-for-4 to fall behind Ryan Braun in the NL batting race (.329 to Braun's .331). There haven't been too many times when I thought the Mets were simply playing out the string, but much of this weekend and tonight's game definitely had a "punch in, punch out" feel to it. Losing is acceptable, but some effort would be nice.
SB Nation Coverage
* Traditional Recap
* Boxscore
* Amazin' Avenue Gamethread
* Federal Baseball Gamethread
Win Probability Added
Big winners: David Wright, +24.1%, Angel Pagan, +13.8%
Big losers: Jason Bay, -23.5%, Nick Evans, -17.9%
Teh aw3s0mest play: Angel Pagan RBI double, +21.3%
Teh sux0rest play: Stephen Lombardozzi RBI single, top of the seventh, -18.9%
Total pitcher WPA: -9.9%
Total batter WPA: -40.1%
GWRBI!: Stephen Lombardozzi RBI single, top of the seventh
Game Thread Roll Call
Nice job by MetsFan4Decades; her effort in the game thread embiggens us all.
| Num | Name | # of Posts |
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| 1 | MetsFan4Decades | 121 |
| 2 | fxcarden | 85 |
| 3 | Hoyadestroya85 | 66 |
| 4 | Steve Schreiber | 65 |
| 5 | Russ | 59 |
| 6 | Spike Davis | 55 |
| 7 | robotoverlord | 52 |
| 8 | graves9 | 52 |
| 9 | CJ_Scudworth | 44 |
| 10 | TWilliAM | 42 |
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Bunty buntington buntlicious buntinstein
From Manuel to Collins one thing hasn’t changed…some really stupid bunts on occasion.
Gangsta
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Sep 13, 2011 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, R. A. Dickey is still the man
Always look on the bright side of life
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf. "
– Tug McGraw when asked about his preference for grass or astroturf
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‘Thus the Mets lost their third game in a row, and the once modest goal of reaching .500 seems more and more pipe dreamy with each passing day.’
Not in Terry’s book, it’s not.
His comment on the post game when asked if maybe they were pressing too much to reach .500 was along the lines of:
’’There’s a dog fight going on for that WC, we’re gonna face 2 dogs that are in it. And we’ll be ready’.
by MetsFan4Decades on Sep 12, 2011 10:12 PM EDT reply actions
that's the problem right there
what does .500 really mean anyway ? a moral victory? I’d rather see the young guys out there on a daily basis…at least he’s forced to play the invisible man at first.
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
by feslenraster on Sep 13, 2011 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions
What are you gonna do?
It’s still important to emphasize, practice and execute fundamentally though. Dubs giveth and he taketh away. Oh well.
I read on Metsblog that Batista is out and Schwinden is in the rotation. TC allegedly wants to get a closer look at him. I hope that signals that the Mets have seen enough of Miguel to know that they want him back so long as he doesn’t price himself out of what we’re willing to pay him. I think he can be that Pat Mahomes/Al Oliver reliever/spot starter type of pitcher who, as we know, can be a extremely valuable asset when competing for a playoff spot.
Schwinden on the other hand looks like another DJ Carrasco.
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
"Who has more fun than people?"
- Ralph Kiner
I'm a bit surprised
Last I read/heard, they implied Schwinden would only get one start b/c he had reached his 150 innings limit for the season and they didn’t want to see him go over that.
I think with that last outing he probably went a couple of innings over that. So what’s another 6 more innings or so? Especially if he gets some quick outs.
However, I just don’t see Schwinden as any better than Gee, who is really only a 5th type starter.
For the love of some depth in the upper minors….
by MetsFan4Decades on Sep 12, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, was reading that
Schwinden looked so putrid in his start because he was tired.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Sep 13, 2011 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Batista is done
no need to bother with him ever again and no way would he pitch like Mahomes and Oliver did here.
but but but Miguel is so awesomes!
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
by feslenraster on Sep 13, 2011 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions
If Batista never pitches another inning as a Met, that would a welcome turn of events
by James Kannengieser on Sep 12, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
He's throwing 93-96 mph and he has experience
He hasn’t pitched that bad for us.
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- Ralph Kiner
10 BB and 7 K in 17 innings.
I wouldn’t say he’s pitched that well for us, either.
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Sep 13, 2011 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions
This plus
29 BB and 23 K in 46 total innings between the Mets and Cardinals. The guy is awful…he has no command whatsoever.
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by Steve Schreiber on Sep 13, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
can we bring Luis Tiant out of retirement please?
please? we need more old fogies who suck in the rotation!
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
by feslenraster on Sep 13, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Dickey certainly deserved better tonight.
10 consecutive quality starts.
Wonder if he’s resigned to either getting less than good run support and/or the BP blowing a lead of us after he’s pulled?
by MetsFan4Decades on Sep 12, 2011 10:16 PM EDT reply actions
The man hasn't allowed more than 4 earned runs since May 14th (allowing 4 only three times).
That’s 21 starts.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
I didn't realize that.
I suppose a QS then is defined as going at least 6 innings with 3 or < runs.
Don’t know about the rest of you but I’m happy he’s signed for next year.
by MetsFan4Decades on Sep 12, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
That's exactly how it's defined.
and I want Dickey around until his arm falls off.
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– Tug McGraw when asked about his preference for grass or astroturf
by Terry_is_God on Sep 12, 2011 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Even if his arm fell off, couldn't he just heal it himself?
He is Holy Dickey, after all.
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by Steve Schreiber on Sep 12, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn't the doctors say this should have happened already?
He’ll be starting when Zack Wheeler Jr. is wrapping up his career.
More importantly, he's allowed only 10 walks in his last 11 starts.
Which is impressive for anyone, but insane for a knuckleballer.
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And, in a lot of those games, his knuckler wasn't always cooperating with him
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Sep 13, 2011 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
holy shit
Dickey has quietly put up a 4.0 bWAR season (I like bWAR for the knuckleballer because it takes batted ball types into account, which i feel is more important with the knuckleball) — that’s good for 8th in the whole goddamn NL!
What's the difference between bbWAR and fWAR, in terms of how knuckleballers are effected?
I do know Dickey’s 2.0 fWAR seems horribly low, as compared to how he’s pitched.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Sep 13, 2011 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
He doesn't K a lot of batters because of the knuckler so his FIP is somewhat limited.
However, he is able to induce weak contact due to the knuckler. So fWAR somewhat underestimating Dickey in particular and knuckleball pitchers in general.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
Ah. Goof to know
So, would Mike Pelfrey’s 1.7 bbWAR be more indicative of his true value than his 0.5 fWAR, because of the fact he’s always been a pitch-to-contact, low K pitcher?
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Sep 13, 2011 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I would say fWAR would be more indicative.
Pelfrey’s main skill was limiting HR’s. This year his HR/9 is above his career average by about .30 points – hence the low fWAR. Chances are his HR/9 regresses next year and his fWAR looks better.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
bWAR and fWAR take into account defense differently.
bWAR (also known as rWAR), uses RA9 (ERA but including unearned runs) and then makes an adjustment based upon team defense.
fWAR doesn’t bother with looking at actual runs allowed, but uses FIP – Fielding Independent Pitching – as its measurement tool. This strips out all defense, but of course, strips out a player’s ability to actually affect balls in play. For most players this isn’t a problem.
Both systems are imperfect – bWAR’s team defense adjustment assumes the average defense behind a pitcher – if a pitcher has particularly bad luck on his fielding and gets the brunt of a team’s bad fielding, it’ll underestimate a pitcher’s problems due to defense. fWAR removes BABIP from the equation entirely, but for certain pitchers, such as knucklers that can be misleading.
Long story short, both show that Dickey has been an effective pitcher the last two years who has been worth far more than the Mets are paying him, though bWAR paints him more as an ACE than you’d reasonably expect.
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Dickey was very solid yet again
but was betrayed by his defense and got not run support as usual. Terry sure didn’t help by having Pagan bunt after Wright walked. As the season goes on Terry bunts more and more it is rather amazing and it never ever works. I mean haven’t we been tortured enough with Jerry’s bunting all the time the previous three years? Did Terry even think that hey this guy is batting fifth and that hey he got a big hit earlier in the game, you know let him hit? Jason troll Bay was back to being unproductive hopefully for only a night with a strike out with two guys on and another bad at bat in the ninth. All in all, it’s looking like this team is heading toward a crappy finish to the year.
I can't believe giving up an out when you only have 3 left to play with didn't work...
it seems like such a brilliant plan…until you think about it with any sense of baseball knowledge/and or use of logical thought whatsoever.
by David G on Sep 12, 2011 10:53 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
At least Toyota Irrigation didn't pitch
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Sep 13, 2011 12:12 AM EDT reply actions
WE are in the dulrums
This is not exciting baseball. ‘Punch in, punch out’ indeed.
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by ScottfromPeekskill on Sep 13, 2011 12:36 AM EDT reply actions
Jerry Collins= whaddya mean? you've got to keep winning at all costs!!
sigh
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by feslenraster on Sep 13, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
so i missed a good game by dickey
only for the usual lack of run support to happen(DICKEYS THE NEW JOHAN GAIZ!!!). ONLY for a Grissiony comeback to tie, only to be blown by our LOLpen
fantastic.
I hate Philadelphia so much.
Actually the bullpen didn't lose tonights game
believe it or not in two innings of work they gave up no runs.
Now that you mention "Trachsel starts"
It gets me thinking about just how awesome Dickey would have been on that ’06 squad. Trachsel was awful but still managed to pull out a 15-8 record.
No no no!
He's a losah who just doesn't know how to get WINZ!
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by Steve Schreiber on Sep 13, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Innings eaters = losers
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Sep 13, 2011 10:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Fuckin' logic
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by Terry_is_God on Sep 13, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I usually listen to the Mets while multitasking.
Trachsel starts were great because I never lost track of what was going on.

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