Angel Pagan and Free Agent Windows
Let's say you feel pretty strongly that Angel Pagan should be tendered a contract. You'd have plenty of reason to think so based on his play (and salary) over the last three years combined. There's still one asterisk to append to the decision: What are the alternatives? The natural ebb and flow of the free agent market has to have something to say about the situation.
Mark Simon picked his way excellently through the different aspects of Pagan's performance of the past two years. You could sum up much of the Pagan-leaning argument as saying 'flaws and all, Pagan is most likely going to be worth his salary award in arbitration next year and the Mets have no immediate in-house candidate to replace him.' You can get more detailed -- his defensive numbers this year have been bad, but if you use his three-year sample in its place, he's probably been better than a one-win player this year -- but the crux of the matter is that he's still cheap and still productive.
But that's analysis based purely on the merits of the player without context. The context that a team provides must enter into this discussion at some point.
One contextual aspect that matters is the status of the team as a contender or not. A contender might look at their two-win center fielder and want more out of the position even if they have to pay more to get it. If we look at the Mets as currently constructed, they aren't likely contenders next year. Case closed? He's still a value?
Not quite.
Because the Mets have to contend soon. With the Wilpons losing money now and taking bandaid loans and family investors to keep the team afloat, they have a fire under their buttocks. They need to start drawing fans again soon, and they have a good chunk of money coming off the books. Tendering Angel Pagan only kicks the can down the road -- what will they do next year? And, especially, what will they do next year if they are ready to take another step forward... and the free agency market for center fielders is terrible?
Yes, in order to make the decision about Angel Pagan correctly, the free agents at his position both this year and next year must be considered. Because they could use the $5 million budgeted to him next year towards the first year of a free agent's contract if it meant that they got a better free agent. Let's look at the options for both years, with their salaries current and future, all courtesy Cot's Contracts. Let's add in their two-year fWAR totals for good measure.
2012 Free Agent Centerfielders
Rick Ankiel (2.2 WAR, $1.5 million)
Mike Cameron (.3 WAR, $7.75 million)
Coco Crisp (5.6 WAR, $5.75 million)
Scott Hairston (0.4 WAR, $1.1 million)
Grady Sizemore* (0.3 WAR, $7.5 million, $8.5 million club option in 2012)
Endy Chavez (1.5 WAR, ?)
2013 Free Agent Centerfielders
Melky Cabrera (2.1 WAR, $1.25 million, Arb 4 in 2012)
B.J. Upton (6.3 WAR, $4.825 million, Arb 3 in 2012)
Marlon Byrd (5.4 WAR, $5.5 million, $6.5 in 2012)
Michael Bourn (10 WAR, $4.4 million, Arb 4 in 2012)
Matt Kemp (7.6 WAR, $7.1 million, Arb 3 in 2012)
Shane Victorino (9.7 WAR, $7.5 million, $9.5 in 2012)
It looks like next year is the year in terms of top-end talent. Even if you're looking for a possible value play, Byrd and Upton might make for undervalued options when stacked up against the big names on the 2013 list. The 2013 list is a little light on defense-first guys, but Bourn and Upton have been good with the glove. And the bats on that list are tempting.
The fact of the matter is that, other than a rejuvenated (and healthy) Grady Sizemore, there's not a name on the 2012 list that is a mortal lock to outperform Angel Pagan next season. And even if Mike Cameron doesn't retire and plays up to a 3-win season or Coco Crisp takes less than ten million a year to do the same, are they worth an investment now when the options next year will be more palatable and plentiful?
It seems that context helps cement the decision. For a team in limbo, needing to get the most of every dollar in the short term while keeping an eye on competing in the mid-term, and looking at the available crop of free agent center fielders that will enter the market next year, it all makes sense. It's time to re-up the Angel in the outfield for one more year.
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DO NOT WANT KEMP
Not a fan of his attitude or his ability to stick in CF. I don’t care if UZR says he’s Willie Mays. I think he’s a disaster. Mets can’t afford him anyway (thankfully).
I like Bourn, but Upton would be fine, too. Pagan is on the wrong side of thirty. I’d flip him for a prospect at the deadline.
Oh pissing blimey there's jam coming out of the walls!
yeah...and I don't want his bat either!!!!
by Mike Clemente on Sep 14, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
That's something we can expect every year based on his track record
Not.
Oh pissing blimey there's jam coming out of the walls!
by TWilliAM on Sep 14, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
he's averaging over 4 WAR in 4 full seasons and he's coming into his prime
It’s definitely not out of the question. The only red flag is the size of the contract he will require.
by Mike Clemente on Sep 14, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
IIF you believe the defensive metrics
And if you believe he can stick in CF. I don’t think he’s going to stick. I’d hate to watch him play 81 games a year in Citi. That would be a disaster.
Very good player, but going to be massively overpaid.
Oh pissing blimey there's jam coming out of the walls!
by TWilliAM on Sep 14, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm going to agree with this.
I don’t trust him to continue that, especially on a huge, long term contract (haven’t there been work ethic concerns in the past with him?). Let’s not forget that this was a guy who just a year ago was worth 0.3 fWAR, a .323 wOBA and 100 wRC+ along with an atrocious -25.7 runs in center field. Frankly, his career’s been all over the map.
Maybe 2010 was a fluke and he adjusted but if I’m giving 100+ million over the long term to a player, I need to see a little more consistency. Personally I couldn’t even put him in the same class as Beltran. He’s been a great hitter in 2011 but he seems to be a corner outfielder masquerading as a center fielder from what I’ve seen.
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by Steve Schreiber on Sep 14, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Last year his UZR was around 20 runs worse than he has had in any other full season
and his BABIP was 55 points lower than his career BABIP. That seems like a fluke. This consistency and positional stuff is BS. Let’s just judge him normally.
He could play in the corners...
The thing with positional adjustments is that it’s supposed to make and -5 CFer and +5 LFer equal in value. He very well be overpaid because of his current season, but he is a great player.
Borat agrees with your use of the word...

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by Steve Schreiber on Sep 14, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
You forgot Cody Ross in your 2012 free agents (or maybe you ignored him)
I think the key is to find a guy to platoon with Pagan until N-house is ready, not necessarily replace him. Hairston may be still be the most affordable guy to do that. Ross is basically the same as Hairston in that he’s always hit lefties and he’d be an ok platoon partner with Pagan (career .913 OPS vs. lefties), but he’d provide better defense than Hairston, which isn’t saying a lot of course. He is way overpaid right now at 6 mil, but he’s certainly going to have to take a pay cut after the season he’s just had. The other option is to play Bay in CF vs. lefties, which I don’t really think is that crazy. They could then slot Evans in left on those days, as well. It’s not ideal, but the added offense would make up for the lost D. Pagan has a career .304 OBP vs. lefties and .703 OPS. If Pagan’s overall OPS was that low, we wouldn’t even be having this discussion, so why does he get to play vs. lefties?
Cody Ross is basically a more expensive Nick Evans. He's not a CF.
Bay has trouble staying healthy playing LF. I don’t want him anywhere near center. If it happens, Sandy/Collins should be fired (out of a cannon).
Pagan is a fine placeholder until Captain Kirk or whomever is ready to take over in June/July.
Oh pissing blimey there's jam coming out of the walls!
What facts do you have that backs up the assertion
that a guy who goes out and plays average CF with a .700 OPS is somehow better than someone who puts up over a .900 OPS and plays slightly below average CF? I’ll take the extra .200 pts of OPS and beat you more times than not.
I think he's much worse than below average.
He’s a corner outfielder. And this is his first year with an OPS+ over 127. He’ll be a 3-4 win player, but he won’t do that playing CF. He certainly won’t be doing that two years from now. Very bad instincts.
Also, I just don’t like him. Doesn’t always play all out. And if you’re going to pay someone 100M+, that’s a problem.
Anyway, all of this is moot. If he has another good year in 2012, the Yankees/Red Sox will be throwing huge $$$ at him. You’d be better off pretending he doesn’t exist. Upton and Bourn are far more reasonable (and probably equally as good production-wise most years).
Oh pissing blimey there's jam coming out of the walls!
i just don't think
he’s a centerfielder with the glove. been watching a lot of him out here in SF and the team only puts him out there when they really have to, too
I'll take Bourn or Upton
They’ll be cheaper than kemp and Upton will only be 28 when this contract expires. Citi Field is always going to be big, so a rangy center fielder is an absolute must. Kemp is going to sign a Beltranesque contract.
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Bourn
Would probably be well suited to Citi Field, although I’ve never quite liked him. Philly taint maybe.
The offense isn’t really going to be the issue next year either. Pagan’s more than servicable, let’s focus on getting the pitching better.
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bourn and reyes at the top of the lineup
would be swell.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/
ANGEL PAGAN
If there’s any money to be spent, spend it more wisely than on a new CF for next year…
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True
And if you put in Pagan’s two year fWAR he’s at 6.4. That’s better than all the 2012 candidates and puts him right around Upton’s value in the 2013 candidates. So like you said, there are other things to worry about than CF this offseason. But he does need to get back to his 2010 defensive prowess.
Yeah
If the defense doesn’t pick up, then I may be feeling differently.
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by Terry_is_God on Sep 14, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Look, if Angel stands to make somewhere near the 5M range,
and Ankiel and/or Endy would be looking at 1-2M, then a 3-4M savings is not that stupid — if it is a rebuilding year and we’re just waiting for Kirk, Lagares, Puello, MDD, and the like to emerge. If one of those guys forces a call up, then it would relegate whoever is at CF to the 4th OF anyways – diminishing his value greatly.
This is why rebuilding years suck. But we can’t expect what will happen at the end of 2012 — Minor leaguers might all develop into superstars and put us in contention to make signing a Kemp or Upton worth the extra wins. Or they might all bust, putting us in another rebuilding year in 2013.
But in no way would I replace Pagan with long term contracts (2 or more years) to guys like Coco Crisp this year, thats just dumb, even if he is (arguably) a better player at the same price.
None of the above
By 2013, I’ll hope Kirk or Den Dekker are ready.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Sep 14, 2011 3:11 PM EDT reply actions
That is no guarantee that someone like BJ Upton will actually hit FA in 2013.
The Rays might trade him and the other team lock him up on a longer contract.
The planning process needs to ensure there is flexibility to explore several roster options.
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this
is a great point. but I do think it helps to get a sense of what the group might look like in both years.
The only name
that interests me is BJ Upton. And as Michkin pointed out, the Rays might trade him this offseason. I’d love for the Mets to make a play for him & have no fears of Alderson & Friends getting “Friedman’d.”
What's that about?
by Brian. on Sep 14, 2011 3:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I'd like Upton but like others have said trades and extensions happen.
But even if we do acquire Upton for 2013, Pagan would still make for a very competent 4th OF (and not an expensive one either – especially if instead on going to arbitration, we sign him to an extension).
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
I voted for Kemp, but now I am thinking Upton
He is a great defended, very fast, and has pop. His speed will play well in Citi, and hey, maybe he will have a year where he discovers the ability which made him a top draft pick and have a monster year or two
Melky Cabrera
Is actually having a really good year. He’s been worth 3.2 WAR in his comeback season. Defensively he seems to have declined the last two years, with UZR of -12.7 with Braves last year and -9.4 this year with the Royals, but was a positive the years prior with the Yankees. All in all, he hasn’t been bad at all and is actually one of the cheaper options available.
Although, you’re definitely getting the most bang for your buck with Michael Bourn, with that 10 WAR for $4.4 Million. Still like Upton too…
The Mets Are Looking to 2013
There is no reason to block someone like Captain Kirk, or blow a bunch of free agent money, until then. Keep Pagan, if the price is reasonable.
Keep drafting and building, unless EVERYONE is so scared of mid-career free agents and their price drops so low that a new market inefficiency develops.
Right now, I’m still recovering from the Mets being the last team in baseball to realize the steroid era was over and most players would decline the way they used to after age 32.
Hate to toss up our hands
But at this point we’re a mediocre, rebuilding ballclub. Might as well save some money in the process, since we’re losing a ton anyway. While Pagan is simply serviceable, I’d like to get out from under unnecessary monster deals (Bay, Santana, etc.), as I think it’s the only way to truly fix the team. Signing Kemp/Upton for $5M per year more than they’re worth won’t help us much in a pitcher’s park. I say go homegrown wherever possible for the next couple seasons, and develop the farm system a bit.
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Going nowhere in 2012
So why give up 2 of our best pitching prospects for Upton. Maybe you could get Morgan to platoon with Pagan. At least he’s entertaining

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