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Basically their idea is to put Carlos Quentin in left, Bay, in center, and Pagan nontendered. The idea of a defensive outfield of Quentin/Bay/Duda is horrible.

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This is all kinds of bad

Putting Bay in CF is like putting a square peg in a round hole. People are enamored with this idea simply because this will make him more worthy of his contract (in their eyes) since he’s playing a more premium position and his offense doesn’t look as bad there. Defensively, though, this is a terrible idea. Bay has been a LF, and not a great one at that, for the majority of his career, even during the height of his athleticism. Quentin is a DH who fakes it in the OF. And Duda is a LF playing RF. There is no range in that trio whatsoever.

by MetsCity on Sep 16, 2011 1:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Bay has been good with the glove this season though.

can’t say he’s fast enough to play CF.

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by SuperSantana on Sep 17, 2011 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's amusing

Most people propose that the Mets improve their speed, pitching, and defense in order to win at Citifield, yet they make suggestions like this. And regardless, the Mets aren’t adding another contract to their team.

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by Rey-O on Sep 16, 2011 2:03 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

This

Offense wasn’t the problem this year. So adding more offense-only type players into this lineup is beating a dead horse. We need guys who are just as good defensively as they are offensively, or maybe we could even sacrifice a little offense with a defensive first player.

by MetsCity on Sep 16, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why would the White Sox trade their best outfielder?

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Sep 16, 2011 2:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Putrid idea.

Just awful.

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by Steve Schreiber on Sep 16, 2011 3:14 PM EDT reply actions  

haven't we learned from Bay

Citifield is not for sluggers, even when the fences com ein it isn’t. It will be friendly but it will not be CIN. They need line drive guys that hit .320 not guys who hit .250

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by Rickfansince76 on Sep 16, 2011 4:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Alex Rios

I´d actually target OF Alex Rios instead of Quentin. And while Rios certainly hits worse than Quentin, he´ll probably be available straight up for Jason Bay. Unlike Bay, Rios can play either CF or RF and actually makes 12 mio $ per year for the next 3 years while Bay makes 16 per year over the next 2 with a 2 mio buyout to make it 34 over 2 while Rios makes 36 for 3 with a 1 mio $ buyout.

Getting Rios gives you options regarding both Pagan and Duda. And actually saves 4 mio $ in payroll for 2012.

And since JP Ricciardi gave Rios his current deal, don´t think this is such an outlandish scenario.

And if we´re talking improving the defense, this´d be a nice first step.

by Doob on Sep 16, 2011 6:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Rios has had some nice years too

A down year this year but that’s with a BABIP a full 70 points below his career average. If we can get Rios without giving up a top prospect that would be a very good move.

by ZZPops on Sep 16, 2011 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alex Rios?

The guy owed $13 million for the next three years and is coming off a season where he posted a 60 OPS+? There was a reason why the Blue Jays were laughing to the bank when the White Sox claimed him. No, thanks.

by Criss Angel Couldn't Make Frenchy Vanish on Sep 17, 2011 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

No thanks.

His offense has been awful 2 of the last 3 years, and playing in a hitters’ park, too.

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by BobbyV_Incognito on Sep 17, 2011 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well but...

…unlike Bay, he can play CF and provide plus defense in RF.
And unlike Quentin, he won´t cost a top 10 overall prospect or two.

Look, at worst, Rios needs to be cut.
But unless you feel Bay is likely to return to form, this may be the case as well.
Both make about the same $ guaranteed over the next couple of years – with Rios having one extra year and Bay more on an annual basis.

This´d be a swap of bad contracts with Rios being a better fit here.

by Doob on Sep 17, 2011 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

Rios is due $37.5 million from 2012-2014. Bay is due $35 million from 2012-2013.

I would probably consider such a move b/c of the Mets’ surplus of players who can fill LF and RF, and their comparative dearth of CF options. I would definitely do the move if the White Sox would throw in a mid-level prospect.

by sjohnson125 on Sep 17, 2011 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

pay

Didn’t know the totals owed were so close. I’m of the “trade Bay for anyone” group, so I’m easy to convice Bay for Rios would work.

by MDMETSFAN on Sep 18, 2011 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll take Jake Peavy

Look at his stats- he sucks. The White Sox need to traid.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Sep 16, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd love to have Quentin

I’d hate to have that outfield

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by KeithsMoustache on Sep 16, 2011 11:35 PM EDT reply actions  

The mets will already have four power hitters in their lineup

Especially in citi field, I can’t think of anything more ridiculous than adding another, especially one with a -31.3 uzr.

by piazza62 on Sep 17, 2011 3:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Hitters are hitters. Power is good.

Citi field doesn’t mean the mets shouldnt get guys with power and less speed, I’m sorry. I’m a little upset that the stadium is as much of a pitcher’s park as it is, but that doesn’t mean it needs to dictate how the team is built, I don’t get that. The mets should just get players that are a good value and Quentin isn’t that. So as I’m rambling I guess my point is that I think the sentiment that the mets need to stay away from traditional slugger types because of the stadium is ridiculous.

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by BlackOps on Sep 17, 2011 5:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

The defense is purely at the heart of why this is a bad proposal.

He’s a bad defensive player who, in this alignment, would be sharing an outfield with Lucas Duda and Jason Bay. It’s just like the Murphy/Duda/Bay proposal from a few weeks ago. The offense would be completely outweighed by how many bloop singles would fall in front of these guys and how many extra base hits would find the gaps. If they were able to deal Bay and then acquire Quentin with Pagan still in center, maybe it’d be better but that’s not the proposal that’s being talked of here.

But yes, totally agree. Offense is offense and Quentin’s got big time power.

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by Steve Schreiber on Sep 17, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

do we have the Dumb Hitter in the NL, no?

then stay away from Quentin. As for Alex Rios…oh good lord, if those of you dislike Pagan….haha!

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by feslenraster on Sep 17, 2011 12:42 PM EDT reply actions  

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