Phillies 9, Mets 4: Are You Surprised?

by Chris McShane on Sep 25, 2011 6:08 PM EDT

In the least surprising development of the Mets' 2011 season, the pitching matchup of Mike Pelfrey and Roy Halladay turned into a loss. Halladay wasn't particularly dominant with strikeouts but kept the Mets scoreless for six innings, and Pelfrey allowed five runs in merely three innings of work.

If Pelfrey was bad, D.J. Carrasco was atrocious. In one inning of work out of the bullpen, Carrasco gave up four hits, one walk, and four runs. The rest of the bullpen was just fine, though, as Dale Thayer, Ryota Igarashi, Pedro Beato, and Josh Stinson combined for five inings of scoreless work.

The Mets got four runs against Philadelphia's bullpen, three of them coming in the seventh inning and one in the eighth. It was, of course, too little, too late.

The final series of the season begins tomorrow at 7:10 pm with the Cincinnati Reds visiting Citi Field and Chris Schwinden set to start for the Mets.

SB Nation Coverage

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* Boxscore
* Amazin' Avenue Gamethread
* The Good Phight Gamethread

Win Probability Added

Big winners: Justin Turner, +4.2% WPA
Big losers: Mike Pelfrey, -34.2% WPA
Teh aw3s0mest play: Chase Utley fouled out in the first, +3.3% WPA
Teh sux0rest play: Hunter Pence home run in the first, -18.9% WPA
Total pitcher WPA: -39.2% WPA
Total batter WPA: -10.8% WPA
GWRBI!: Placido Polanco

Game Thread Roll Call

Nice job by Terry_is_God; his effort in the game thread embiggens us all.

Num	Name	# of Posts
1	Terry_is_God	119
2	MetsFan4Decades	111
3	Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan	111
4	Russ	56
5	fxcarden	39
6	brodude	37
7	The real Julio from Paterson	32
8	Steve Schreiber	21
9	Ron Hunt	19
10	exbrooklynite	17

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Comments

Nope

I think it's fine.

by NetsMets4Life on Sep 25, 2011 6:14 PM EDT reply actions

I'm worried that todayy's performance will cost Pelf the CY Young

Hopefully the Baseball writers are smarter than that and look at Pelf’s body of work this season, and name him the Cy Young award winner. Ditto for Lackey in the American league.

by graves9 on Sep 25, 2011 6:15 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

today's

by graves9 on Sep 25, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions

I actually watched the Yanks/BoSox game over this one.

Between the Mets pitching matchup and the BoSox drama it was an easy choice.

by FrancoTAU on Sep 25, 2011 6:17 PM EDT reply actions

No.

The level of suckitude though was more than expected.

As bad as Pelf was, if this game hadn’t seen Carrasco it might have been more of a fair fight.

Mike’s post game interview was just painful to listen to.

by MetsFan4Decades on Sep 25, 2011 6:20 PM EDT reply actions

It was Halladay Vs Pelfrey

It was never a far fight. This was the most predictable loss of the season.

by graves9 on Sep 25, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions

well, we did score 4 runs

if Pelfrey hadn’t given up 6 or whatever, then it would have been a fair fight.

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on Sep 25, 2011 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions

what'd he say?

i only half watched this game, cuz by the time i turned it on it was already like, 6-0.

by BurleighGrimes on Sep 25, 2011 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions

Pelfrey has been total crap this season. I dont think I have seen one start from him that made me feel otherwise.

I dont know what his future on this team is. His mental approach does not seem right for a SP.

I know people say “you cant replace his 200 innings for under $5m.” But i think we need to find a pitcher who can throw 200 innings and give us a 50% greater chance at winning than Pelf does.

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by ScottfromPeekskill on Sep 26, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions

I've said it before but I'm really surprised by how awful Carrasco has been.

I figured he’d be a nice middle reliever who could bridge you between the starters and back end of the pen for an inning or two but he’s truly been atrocious. Looks like he’s completely lost it as he’s just got nothing on his fastball (and fangraphs says that last year, his FB averaged 90.4 MPH while this year, it’s just 88.5 MPH. That 2 MPH difference is pretty big).

We’ll see what Sandy does with him. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him in spring training next year, just to see if he gets it back but based off of this season, the roster spot is probably worth more than he is and he only makes 1.2M next season. Sandy should hopefully be able to find better relievers than him.

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by Steve Schreiber on Sep 25, 2011 6:39 PM EDT reply actions

I never liked the signing and never got the point

He always had extremely average stuff with no Ks and a fairly high walk rate. That’s a recipe for disaster. Go back and look at his career minor league numbers. Over a 1.4 WHIP and over 3.86 ERA. It’s kind of surprising he ever even made the majors. Plus, then he hangs around in the majors with a walk rate over 3.5 per 9 and a K rate under 6. This is when the whole “he gets ground balls” is overvalued. He was Sean Green, but possibly worse and Sandy really should have seen it. You don’t sign up for 2 years for those kind of relievers, especially on the wrong side of 30. Easily Sandy’s worst move thus far and he needs to cut bait. He’s a sunk cost and should be punted immediately after season ends. The extra roster spot is much more valuable then him.

by David G on Sep 26, 2011 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions

I hate the contract too

Perhaps the flexibility he gave to be a starter or reliever was part of Sandy’s reasoning behind the signing. That’s the best defense I can come up with.

by TheBigStapler on Sep 26, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions

I saw him as sort of a Turk Wendell rubber arm type and looking at the numbers,

Wendell actually had worse walk rates than Carrasco did, with a pretty similar strikeout rate. I also never thought the two year deal was that bad…for one, it’s at a base salary of 1.2M which is almost nothing for a big league team and aside from that, he still had one more year of arbitration eligibility in 2012 anyway because he was non-tendered by his previous team. Certainly it was a risk to guarantee a reliever two years, but it was a moderate one as he was basically signed for 2 years anyway, especially considering that if he had a good season, he might’ve gotten an arbitration raise to the 2-3M range in 2012.

I think the reward was to have a good reliever at a controlled salary for another year and be able to save a million or two in 2012 to use elsewhere. Unfortunately, it just didn’t work out because his FB velocity cratered in the span of an offseason. But yeah, I agree. It certainly didn’t work out.

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by Steve Schreiber on Sep 26, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

"Easily Sandy's worst move thus far"

Um no. From 2008-2010, he was an average reliever, and paying $1.5 million for an average reliever is fine.

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by Syler on Sep 26, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions

I saw that the likely pitcher for the last game of the season is Batista

I think the fans deserve better in the last game. Rather have three innings each from Dickey, Gee and then the relievers

"Its only a game, but it helps teach you about life"

by Seaver73 on Sep 25, 2011 6:43 PM EDT reply actions

I'd rather not see Gee pitch again this year

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by Russ on Sep 25, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions

The game means absolutely nothing

who gives a flying you know what who starts?

by graves9 on Sep 25, 2011 7:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

i dunno, it might be jose's last ever game as a Met

I wish R.A. was pitching.

by BurleighGrimes on Sep 25, 2011 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions

this

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on Sep 25, 2011 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions

I wish Reyes were pitching

by TheBigStapler on Sep 26, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions

How much would Mark Buerhle cost?

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by Syler on Sep 25, 2011 6:47 PM EDT reply actions

probably too much

and i don’t think he would consider us

by brodude on Sep 25, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions

3/40?

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by Russ on Sep 25, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions

He'd be ok

Though doesn’t strike out a lot

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by Aidan Gibson on Sep 25, 2011 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions

Pretty sure he's said he's either retiring or staying in Chicago.

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by Steve Schreiber on Sep 25, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions

Yup

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Sep 26, 2011 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions

with our defense

and his lack of K’s, I don’t think it would be a good investment

by secret defense on Sep 25, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions

not the right pitcher

for our defense. meaning: koufax or bust.

by BurleighGrimes on Sep 25, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions

koufax or bust

meaning: throw in the towel and move to Hartford.

by piazza62 on Sep 25, 2011 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions

But but but

we cut Koufax loose this spring…

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by StorkFan on Sep 25, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions

Not happening.

Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.

by Ogre39666 on Sep 25, 2011 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions

At least we won't finish the season in last.

So…YEAH! SUCK IT TO ALL WHO THOUGHT WE’D BE IN LAST!

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by R_Adragna on Sep 25, 2011 7:25 PM EDT reply actions

Perhaps the Win Probability Chart Shouldn't Start at 50-50

“In the least surprising development of the Mets’ 2011 season, the pitching matchup of Mike Pelfrey and Roy Halladay turned into a loss.”

by WT Economist on Sep 25, 2011 8:03 PM EDT reply actions

that creepy looking clown is making me suspect we didn't leave it all on the field.

amest I bovvered forsooth?
ARE YOU DISRESPECTING THE HOUSE OF CITI
ARE YOU CALLING REYES A POX RIDDEN WENCH
ARE YOU CALLING DAVID WRIGHT A GOODLY ROTTEN APPLE
CAUSE HE AIN'T EVEN A GOODLY ROTTEN APPLE THOUGH

by Gina on Sep 25, 2011 8:20 PM EDT reply actions

Hi Gina!

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by isles732 on Sep 25, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions

Everything's eventual.

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by Terry_is_God on Sep 25, 2011 10:31 PM EDT reply actions

Guys I am watching the Red Sox-Yankees game.

and I wish we were watching together, thru the internets. I say yes to AA gamethreads during the postseason!

by BurleighGrimes on Sep 25, 2011 11:11 PM EDT reply actions

well, I'm sure we'll have fun rooting against the Phillith and Larry's team

by secret defense on Sep 25, 2011 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions

Scott Proctor just saved the Red Sox season

My goodness does he suck.

by graves9 on Sep 25, 2011 11:38 PM EDT reply actions

fucking yankees

by brodude on Sep 25, 2011 11:50 PM EDT reply actions

I don't think this would look nearly as pathetic

if Big Pelf wasn’t the “ace” of this staff. I just hope he’ll thrive as an inning-eating back of the rotation starter, with the mets or elsewhere.

by piazza62 on Sep 26, 2011 1:09 AM EDT reply actions

I don't think this would look nearly as pathetic

if Pelfrey wasn’t a Met

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on Sep 26, 2011 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions

GO REYES

Well my one ray of light at the end of yet another terrible season, is, Reyes winning the NL title. It don’t look like that will happen ;{ Just another let down in the, kick me when I’m down, life of a METS fan.

by PiazzaHOF on Sep 26, 2011 8:58 AM EDT reply actions