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Reds 6, Mets 5: Living in Oblivion

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There were several games of dire import in the impending MLB playoffs. This was not one of them. The Mets and Reds began this series with virtually identical records and an equal amount of irrelevance to the postseason proceedings that will begin at week's end. The only real difference between the two is that the Reds had some expectations of competing this year, where the Mets did not. Cincinnati's season pretty much tanked after the Mets swept a four-game series at Great American Ball Park, while the Mets' did the same immediately thereafter.

And now here they both are, forced to play these games for pure bookkeeping purposes. Everyone involved seemed to act accordingly. Even home plate umpire Tim McClelland's languid ball/strike calls indicated that it was not worth expending too much effort in this contest. His lackadaisical approach was an alternating source of frustration and bemusement to the SNY crew all game.

Brandon Phillips led things off against Chris Schwinden with a long double to left field; Willie Harris did not play it well, though it's doubtful he could have caught the ball even if he had. But that was fine, because Phillips didn't have designs on more than a double anyway. And in any case, he moved to third on an Edgar Renteria sac bunt and scored the first Cincinnati run on a Joey Votto sac fly.

Then in the second, after retiring the first two Reds easily, Schwinden made a poor play on a bouncer by Dave Sappelt, allowing him to reach on the error. The speedy Sappelt stole second and scored on a double into the gap by rookie Devin Mesoraco, putting the Reds up 2-0.

The last time the Mets saw Homer Bailey, they did a number on him. But that was in Cincinnati at the end of July, and much has changed since then. They were unable to take advantage of two hits in the bottom of the first, as David Wright and Nick Evans struck out to waste a scoring opportunity, then went down in order in the second.

The Mets struck in the third, when Jose Reyes and Ruben Tejada hit one-out singles. After a Harris fly out, Wright smacked a single up the middle to plate Reyes, then Evans belted a double into the right field corner to score Tejada and Wright, giving the Mets a 3-2 lead.

The Reds came back in the top of the fourth, thanks to some more unfortunate fielding. Chris Heisey laid down a one-out bunt that Wright fielded but threw well past first (though it was doubtful he would have had the runner anyway). Heisey put himself in scoring position with a steal of second, then scored the tying run when Sappelt hit one in the 5.5 hole.

The Mets responded in the bottom half when Jason Pridie hit a ball over Jay Bruce's head and into the Mo's Zone, which he was able to leg out for a triple. Curiously, Bailey pitched carefully to his opposite number and walked him. (Even more curiously, Schwinden had little idea he'd watched ball four, thanks to McClelland's narcoleptic approach to umpiring.) That allowed Reyes to hit a ball well to right-center for an RBI sac fly, putting the Mets back on top. 4-3.

After an uneventful fifth, the Mets turned to pint-sized reliever Daniel Herrera, who promptly retired no one. He gave up a single to Heisey, saw another single clank off of Evans' glove (after he'd just been moved to first for defense), and watched Sappelt lay down a perfect bunt to load the bases. (It was curiously ruled an error because Wright failed to pick it up, but there was no way on earth he could have thrown out the runner.)

Collins made the call for Ryota Igarashi, which is usually your signal to change the channel, lest you witness carnage untold. But Igarashi got some help when Mesoraco swung at the first pitch and popped up. He then struck out pinch hitter Yonder "Lies Da Castle of My Fathah" Alonso*, and got Brandon Phillips to bounce out to second and escape unscathed. No, I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it either.

* If you don't get it, ask your dad. Or your grampa.

The Mets bypassed another scoring chance in the bottom of the sixth when Chris Heisey made a great catch on a drive off of Wright's bat, stranding two runners. They paid for it in the top of the seventh, as Tim Byrdak, brought on to get out the lefties Votto and Bruce, retired neither. Josh Stinson came in and watched his first pitch get belted by Heisey into left field for a three-run homer.

The game carried on its listless fashion until the bottom of the eighth, when Mike Baxter worked a one-out walk against Jose Arredondo. Reyes followed with a double down the right field line that allowed Baxter to score all the way from first. It was Reyes' third hit of the day, pushing his batting average to a league-leading .334. Unfortunately, he ventured too far off of second base and was tagged out on a relay throw. Tejada singled to left, a hit that would surely have drive in Reyes with the tying run had he not been watching from the dugout. The Mets compounded their trouble when Tejada unwisely tried to steal second and was thrown out to end the inning.

In the bottom of the ninth, the Mets put up a threat when Willie Harris doubled over Bruce's head, and Wright took first after sustaining a scary-looking hit-by-pitch. ("Shades of Matt Cain," as Gary Cohen.) Of course, this was the time for BUNTZ! With your #5 hitter! Even when he's ahead in the count 2-0!. Nick Evans laid down a perfect bunt toward third, so perfect that the Reds easily got the force at third. Josh Thole proceeded to bounce into a double play, and that's all she wrote.

A win would've been nice. The loss feels only a little bit bad. Everything is numb this time of year, when your days are numbered. Philosophical question: Would you rather the Mets be where they are at right now, or going through what the Red Sox are at this moment? Me, I think I'd rather be tortured with a chance than go gently into the night. Then again, back in 2007, I had full blown panic attacks about this team. There has to be some middle ground, doesn't there?

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Big winners: Ryota Igarashi, +40.3%, Willie Harris, +21.6%
Big losers: Josh Stinson, -44.9%, Josh Thole, -37.0%
Teh aw3s0mest play: Nick Evans two-run double, bottom of the third, +24.9%
Teh sux0rest play: Chris Heisey three-run homer, top of the seventh, -46.4%
Total pitcher WPA: -52.4%
Total batter WPA: 2.4%
GWRBI!: Heisey's homer

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Once again

our very consistent inconsistent BP has a hand in this loss.

And for the Love of the Game, would someone please find that invisible Manager’s book that calls for a bunt in that situation and burn it.

The Reyes post game interview: lot of emotion there from Jose.
Long live #7 in a Met uniform.

by MetsFan4Decades on Sep 26, 2011 10:58 PM EDT reply actions  

just got home from the game

they showed video of jose holding his head in his hands when tejada singled after he got caught off the bag. i couldn’t even be mad at him when i saw that; like a fielder who makes more errors because he has more range, jose is gonna make a handful of those baserunning outs every year.

What’d he say after the game?

by BurleighGrimes on Sep 26, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

They asked him if he was originally going for a triple and changed his mind.

He responded no, to tell you the truth I was stopping at a double. I got caught going too far off second and I’m better than that. It shouldn’t have happened. Just figured they’d be throwing home and not at second there.

Kind of pissed me off that Bobby O was all over him in the post game – implying prior to ASB, he’s going triple all the way, now he stops at second but gets caught off the bag. In the next breath singing Tejada’s praises as he got ‘3 hits tonight, flawless defense – and should be a ML starting player’.

by MetsFan4Decades on Sep 26, 2011 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have watched Bobby O a lot in the last few weeks for basically the first time

I find that I basically never agree with him. He is the opposite of a measured, analytical thinker. Whatever.

by BurleighGrimes on Sep 26, 2011 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I find his analysis of pitchers

more on the mark than other type comments. Make sense as pitching was his game, back in the day.

by MetsFan4Decades on Sep 26, 2011 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, that's all I ever hear from him

just the same old emotional ranting about mental toughness and heart and grit. I am surprised he doesn’t actually use the word grission.

Once in a while, he talks about pitching game plans, and how certain pitchers attack hitters in his pre-game analysis. But his POST-games are always super emotional and “Bobby from Flushing on the FAN” style ranting and raving. When the Mets win, he talks about clutchness and playing the game the right way blah blah blah. When they lose, it’s about mental weakness and having no heart, etc.

by BurleighGrimes on Sep 26, 2011 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahaha

Bobby from Flushing on the FAN. Good one.

He does often let his emotional or fan type mentality come through on post game. He’s stated flat out ‘I hate the Phillies’ on more than one occasion. He seems to wear a NY Met fan heart on his sleeve more so than the 3 in the booth, which is a credit to Gary especially since we all know what a die hard Met fan he is.

by MetsFan4Decades on Sep 27, 2011 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess his blatant homerism could be charming

but I just rarely agree with his viewpoints.

Agreed on the three in the booth — I really appreciate their (generally) balanced approach.

by BurleighGrimes on Sep 27, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

He talked about Parnell

as closer: ‘guy has a 100 mph fb but doesn’t know how to pitch – hasn’t learned yet about pitching and pitch selection vs. just throwing’.

He often breaks down pticher’s particular at bats with players, giving opinion on where he went wrong (not setting up the fb, throwing 4 curves in a row, etc.) and conversely when a pitcher had success in an outing/inning/particular at bat.

Of course, Bobby O and just about everyone else talks about Pelf and the mental part of the game.

by MetsFan4Decades on Sep 26, 2011 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate Bobby O

He’s like WFANthought personified.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!" Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Sep 26, 2011 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

That and the questions coming in like below:

about being his last games in a Met uniform, blah, blah, blah. Reyes not wanting to hear that and/or not wanting to talk about it there.

by MetsFan4Decades on Sep 26, 2011 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw Reyes commenting to a fan

in the stands when he was on deck, but obviously had no idea what was being said.

by MetsFan4Decades on Sep 26, 2011 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, this was to a reporter on the post game.

Sorry, should have clarified.

Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.

by Ogre39666 on Sep 26, 2011 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Love Jose

Love Jose

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!" Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Sep 26, 2011 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Glad I missed this one

Terry seemed to learn his lessons after bunting most of April ,but all of a sudden September has been bunt month and it’s cost the team game after game. Terry instead of buying a clue gets on his players for not getting the bunt down, and that thundering idiot Bobby O is making a fool out of himself and pointing fingers in all the wrong directions instead of looking at Terry. Thank God the season is over in a few days.

by graves9 on Sep 26, 2011 10:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Josh Stinson is fucking terrible

If he’s in the bullpen next year we;’re fucked.

by graves9 on Sep 26, 2011 11:06 PM EDT reply actions  

SSS

I’d rather give him the ball next year than Igarashi.

"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."

by BobbyV_Incognito on Sep 26, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is no possible way

Igarashi should be on this team next year.

by MetsFan4Decades on Sep 26, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mediocre stuff and not good command

I’m sticking to what I said. I think when your best defense is he’s better than Iggy well that’s not much.

by graves9 on Sep 26, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well anybody would be better than Igarashi.

Still, Stinson should be stashed at AAA in the Dale Thayer bullpen reserve role.

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by Steve Schreiber on Sep 26, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed...

it’s def a SSS but his 5.5 K/9 and 4.5 BB/9 is not exactly getting me excited about his presence in our bullpen next year…

AAA insurance policy, maybe he can develop a better breaking pitch.

by BurleighGrimes on Sep 26, 2011 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

On another topic,

Braves-lapse?

Mets, Devils, Jets, Knicks
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Dickey be Praised!

by santana9237 on Sep 26, 2011 11:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Waiting to see

who wins that Cards/Stros game, tied in the 10th.

Go Cards.

by MetsFan4Decades on Sep 26, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am no Cards fan

but man, I hate the Braves. Would love another team in the NL East to take the title of “choker.” Of course, their collapse is being overshadowed by the one in Boston…

by BurleighGrimes on Sep 26, 2011 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

To answer your philosophical question,

I’d rather be where Boston is right now. Yes they’re collapsing something fierce, but I miss caring about a September Mets game and living and dying with every pitch. All I want is the opportunity to care again.

What's that about?

by Brian. on Sep 26, 2011 11:17 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

IDK

if we were Boston right now, we’d be about to own #3 AND #4 on the all time choke/collapse list of all time.

If Boston doesn’t get in, they bump the #2007 Mets down to #4, from #3.

It’s the little things….

by MetsFan4Decades on Sep 26, 2011 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah this

the media is going to go absolutely insane if the Red Sox don’t make the playoffs and hopefully the 07 Mets won’t be the go-to example of a September collapse anymore.

by joma16 on Sep 26, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

On that note,

just saw this tweet:

‘For Red Sox rookie hazing, the whole team is dressing as the ’07 Mets.’

by MetsFan4Decades on Sep 26, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not cool

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!" Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Sep 26, 2011 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Soon the choking jokes

will ONLY be about the Red Sox. I mean, if they don’t make the playoffs they’ll have missed it two years in a row…even AFTER spending big this offseason.

Maybe it’ll get the MSM off the Mets back…?!

by BurleighGrimes on Sep 26, 2011 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's hoping

and take the lunatic fringe Met crowd with them that thinks ‘Moneyball Sandy’ won’t invest in this team and is only here to slash payroll.

Yeah, just keep throwing good money after bad like in previous years. And how did that work out for us?

by MetsFan4Decades on Sep 27, 2011 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know

I wouldn’t wish a collapse like that on anyone (except for the Phillies, Yankees, Braves or Red Sox). September 2007 was just really, really depressing and a huge low point in my Mets fandom. I couldn’t go through that again…I’d rather this than that.

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by Steve Schreiber on Sep 26, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah,

September 07 still burns my soul. But in truth, I’m jealous of the Rays right now. They’ve got a solid team, they’re red hot & if they make it to the dance, I think they’ll get to the World Series. But going back to the collapsing point, I’d go back & rewrite the ending to the story.

What's that about?

by Brian. on Sep 27, 2011 12:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I love how Sternburg, Friedman and Co built up that organization.

I still hold out hope that the Wilpons get forced out and Sternburg decides to buy the Mets. The guy’s a Mets fan and he seems to be a really smart guy with his Wall Street background and such.

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by Steve Schreiber on Sep 27, 2011 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jeeze

do either the Braves or the Cards want this WC berth?

We’ll gladly take it off their hands.

by MetsFan4Decades on Sep 26, 2011 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

dang

just saw this, stupid cards…

their LOLpen is pretty bad, otherwise they’d have this wildcard locked up…

by BurleighGrimes on Sep 26, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah

Terry would bunt it right back.

by graves9 on Sep 26, 2011 11:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

And BTW

The Astros win on a double, a bunt and a bunt.

Just goes to prove that just about all managers employ the bunt when the game is on the line.
Of course, goes w/o saying that apparently the ’Stros can bunt and we cannot. Sigh.

by MetsFan4Decades on Sep 26, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah all managers are stupid

ours is just EXTRA stupid for using this awful strategy on a team that never gets it right.

by BurleighGrimes on Sep 26, 2011 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jose is winning the batting title as of right now

This is all that matters to me

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Sep 26, 2011 11:46 PM EDT reply actions  

This.

Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.

by Ogre39666 on Sep 26, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ryan Braun just got a pinch hit double

they are tied at .334, tho I don’t know if one of ’em is a microfraction ahead at this point.

by BurleighGrimes on Sep 26, 2011 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yo Jose is the greatest

even with the games he’s missed, he’ll likely finish the season with 180+ hits, 100+ runs, ~40 steals 30+ doubles, 16 triples, etc.

RESIGN HIM NOW!

by BurleighGrimes on Sep 27, 2011 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I might be a bad person

But this game interested me less than the howls of anguish over at Talking Chop and then Viva el Birdos. I know, I know, ONE of them is making the playoffs, but I can enjoy the schadenfreude of this moment, right? If the Cardinals make it, it’s because the Braves did the 2007 Mets one better. If the Braves make it, it’s because the Cardinals bullpen gave up 6 runs in the 9th to the Mets on Thursday and then couldn’t beat the 104-loss Astros in a must-win series.

Mark Cuban for owner! Save us from the Wilpons!

by Greenpoint Ian on Sep 27, 2011 12:15 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Dear Terry Collins,

at some point here, you are the idiot here for repeating the same mistake, and not your players. And that point was about 40 bunts ago. A 2-0 count when Evans is going to get a grooved fastball because they know you are an imbecile and going to signal bunt? Then, you clearly signal to Evans after the 2-1 count?! Just hold up a billboard saying “We will bunt here, Reds!” Are you fucking kidding me? You ignorant old curmudgeonly asshat. This is also the same Evans who had the 2 run double on a 3-1 fast ball that gave you the lead?

 Let’s just hope Collins is long gone when this team is a contender again, and Alderson can bring in someone and vet their opinion on mother effing bunts. I don’t want to hear another thing about how this old goat “has not thrown in the towel, and has done a great job.” This team could have won about 10 more games easily without his ass-hattery.

by David G on Sep 27, 2011 12:44 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Here's hoping

 that Terry Collins is under orders from Sandy to throw games by bunting and try to get that 11th pick, which the team leads the Pirates by a tiny percentage.

by secret defense on Sep 27, 2011 12:53 AM EDT reply actions  

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