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End Of Season Applesauce: Mets win meaningless game, Braves and Red Sox lose mildly important ones

One hundred and sixty two games are now in the books. The Mets finished their season on a positive note, beating the Reds 3-0 at home. Also of note yesterday was Jose Reyes winning the NL batting title. While he's taken some flack for being lifted after one at bat yesterday, I really don't have any issue with that. I just hope that the Mets make a serious bid to retain Jose next year and beyond, as he's been my favorite player on the team for the last several years.

As usual, there are several positives to be taken from finishing below .500. The Mets will again be drafting in a good position. A look at the reverse standings shows that the club will be drafting 12th next June. While it seems unlikely that the Mets will be targeting any Type A free agents this offseason, should they decide to do so they will not be forfeiting a 1st round draft pick to do so. The final records look to have worked out on the Reyes front as well, as every team that seems like a likely destination for Jose (beyond the Mets) seems to have finished in the top half of the standings.

Speaking of Jose's impending free agency, Met legend Darryl Strawberry hopes that Reyes decides to stay put. Did I ever mention that Strawberry seems to have gotten much wiser as he aged? Several other Mets are also heading to free agency, the most notable of which is probably Chris Capuano. For what it's worth, Capuano seems to have really enjoyed his time with the Mets.

Star-divide

Brandon Nimmo was in NY the last several days to get a look at Citi Field. Hopefully the next time he visits the walls will have been adjusted somewhat to make the park play a little more neutral. Maybe they'll even be blue as well...

Some more details have been leaked about what the Mets were asking for the Yankees to relocate to Newark. Frankly I just don't think it's unreasonable at all, and if the Yankees refused to agree to what the Mets were asking I'm glad they told Cashman where to stick it. It's just not worth the potential foothold the Yankees would gain in Newark to pay about 1/2 of Daniel Murphy's salary.

Patrick Flood had a little deeper look at the Mets performances at home and on the road this season. I'm not sure that I'd look to deeply into their home/road splits at all. The Mets were pretty mediocre on the whole, and Citi Field could use renovations regardless of the teams performance there. Hopefully both will improve next season.

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I'm sure there will be plenty of looks at the four series about to begin in tomorrow's Applesauce, but for today we're just seeing tons of reaction to the dramatic finish to the campaign last night. In the happiest story of the day for Mets fans (or at least this one), the Atlanta Braves have completed their 2007 Mets-esque collapse and missed the postseason. The 4-3 extra inning loss to the Phillies was probably even more gut wrenching than the Mets finale in 2007. I'm truly glad that I didn't have a vested interest in that team as the season wound down. Take it from us Braves fans, you're not going to hear about much else this offseason.

Joining the Braves on the misery train will be the Boston Red Sox. Probably the most media hyped team in baseball this spring, the Sox were even worse than the Braves down the stretch en route to missing the playoffs. While Jonathon Papelbon fell apart in Baltimore, the Rays made an epic comeback against the Yankees to clinch their spot. FanGraphs had a very interesting note about the comeback. Beyond the Boxscore also took a look at the probabilities of the two collapses happening

BtB also took a look at the upcoming third baseman market. While I'd guess that's one area we're set at, it's still always useful to know what's out there.

Finally, the always excellent Joe Posnanski takes a look at several ways to approach MVP voting. It's definitely worth your time to read this one.

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So can we kill the stats nerds don't watch the game meme forever?

Lats night I saw a bunch of “stats nerds” here and at other sites staying up well past midnight to watch games that didn’t involve teams they rooted for (okay, maybe rooted against). Funny behavior for people who don’t actually watch the games.

by dcmetsfan on Sep 29, 2011 9:24 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

so what you're saying is...

people should be swayed by the data?

How are things there on planet notgonnahappen? :)

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Sep 29, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

awesome day for baseball

kinda feels like i can finally turn the page on 2007. also, shield your eyes from rob parker’s article on espn about reyes. good lord.

by joebass123 on Sep 29, 2011 9:28 AM EDT reply actions  

I read the Parked article

He was getting ripped in the comments. Good job by Mets fans and fans that don’t like trash articles.

"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning

by blains2000 on Sep 29, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Parker article (fail - d'oh!)

"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning

by blains2000 on Sep 29, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL at this
reliever Ryota Igarashi. Igarashi, who signed a two-year contract prior to the 2010 season, admits that his lack of success in the big leagues — a 5.74 ERA over 79 appearances — may make it difficult for him to return.

“I don’t think a good offer would come up here,” Igarashi said.

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on Sep 29, 2011 9:35 AM EDT reply actions  

My offer, Iggy, is this.

Nothing.

Proud to root for the Jets, Mets, and Islanders!!!
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by CharlieIsles on Sep 29, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

i'm ok with it

or ya know just like Luca brazzi …can we let him swim with the fishes

I hate Philadelphia so much.

by the caveman on Sep 29, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

it was an unbelievable finish to the baseball season

one that ironically we wouldn’t have seen with the extra wild card team in each league format. but i think it’s still ultimately better for the game to add that extra wild card team in each league because we’ll see that sudden type playoff game EVERY year with the teams directly facing each other.

by jhMLB on Sep 29, 2011 9:40 AM EDT reply actions  

2012 and beyond

With the METS not looking at any serious free agents, what more can we hope for from the team next season? A winning record, a third place finish? I am not about to give up on the season before it starts, but, without some addition by subtraction, what do we really have to look forward to? If Reyes leaves, what then? If Reyes stays what then? We missed the window of DW and JR in the prime, now, its time to get serious and build a winning team around them, before it’s to late. I am happy with the posotion players, for the most part, bot, the rotation and pen are a total mess and need a complete overhaul. Let’s see what Sandy does to fix things.

by PiazzaHOF on Sep 29, 2011 9:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Continue to build from within

It’s not only cost efficient but it usually provides the team with players that have upside and are less prone to physically breaking down. Assuming Reyes stays, they have their infield (minus the catcher) locked up and what looks to be 2/3rds of the OF. The arms are obviously the biggest concern but throwing big money after pitchers entails a risk both in terms of performance and financially that the Mets aren’t really in a position to absorb right now.

by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Sep 29, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

This

You have to draft and develop for longer term success esp. if you’re on a budget.

"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning

by blains2000 on Sep 29, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Reyes

Just about every article that is bitching about Reyes all the comments are from Skankee fans, this whole episode is the media turning molehills into mountains

Insert witty signature here

by BlueChill on Sep 29, 2011 9:59 AM EDT reply actions  

Any mention of Bernie Williams in 1998?

I won’t even get into the whole discussion about Ted Williams and his quest for .400, which IMO is an incongruent situation.

I mentioned 1998 to some Yankees fans, they either said it was different because he played 5 innings and had 3 PAs or he got pulled because he was resting.

The resting one is a bit hard to believe since I doubt that sitting those 4 innings would make him fresher for the playoffs.

The other point I tried to make is that getting favorable matchups or avoiding downside risk (which is essentially what Jose did yesterday) is rampant in baseball. Giving a free pass to Barry Bonds or pitching around certain hitters, reconfiguring pitching rotations, pinch hitting in general, all examples of trying to skew the odds more in your favor. You can extend that to other sports. Do people get outraged when teams in football take a knee to kill the clock? Or basketball teams drain the shotclock or hockey teams play dump and chase with no offensive pressure? No, it’s gamesmanship pure and simple.

by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Sep 29, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

In the articles Ive read, Williams and a few others were mentioned

But facts be dammed in the way of Met bashing

Insert witty signature here

by BlueChill on Sep 29, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yankees fans are probably pissed

Because Jet-uh never won a batting title or Robinson “One Day He’ll Win a Batting Title” Cano hasn’t either.

by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Sep 29, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or Jeter in 08 to protect .300?

The whole thing is ridiculous. There in one, ONE, example that every one cites and it is from 70 years ago. Meanwhile others have done exactly what Reyes did. To write an article criticizing Reyes and to include the Ted Williams example without citing the dozens of other time people sat on the last day is a joke. You know if a Yankee did it everyone would be calling it a smart move.

I’m just totally sick and tired of the crap on the Mets meme in the media.

"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning

by blains2000 on Sep 29, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

One thing I'd like the anti-Reyes people to answer

If Jose was really trying to take the “easy” way out, why did he play last Sunday against Roy Halladay? You’d think if there was any pitcher someone would want to avoid to protect their batting average, it would be him.

by DaveNJ on Sep 29, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Stay thirsty!

"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning

by blains2000 on Sep 29, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

(sigh)

"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning

by blains2000 on Sep 29, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Since I consider the Mets my #2 team, last night was literally one giant orgazm for me.

Proof Matthan admitted he was wrong: http://www.draysbay.com/2011/3/18/2058018/ottotd-for-3-18-2011-thursday-night-t-v#61697767

by kericr on Sep 29, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

That would be pretty awesome. At the same time I'm realistic and don't think they're going to make the WS.

The Rangers, Yanks, and Detroit all look really beasty. They might have a shot against the Yanks because they have the weakest pitching staff of the four, but everyone else has good arms and they all have better lineups.

Proof Matthan admitted he was wrong: http://www.draysbay.com/2011/3/18/2058018/ottotd-for-3-18-2011-thursday-night-t-v#61697767

by kericr on Sep 29, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wish I could post from my facebook account at work

But I uploaded a pic from a Rays game I went to last year (in June vs Toronto, Niemman started, no hitter through 5 and change, Pena had a GS and a solo shot). It’s from directly behind the LF foul pole, we sat about 8 rows behind it. With a clear view of where Longoria’s HR landed, I uploaded it to my account this morning and wrote the caption “Where Red Sox Seasons Go to Die”.

by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Sep 29, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

nice

Now, kids, being eaten by a crocodile is just like going to sleep; in giant blender.

by meigs1414 on Sep 29, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't the Mets put a stop to the 7 Line getting free ad space in CitiField?

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Sep 29, 2011 11:41 AM EDT reply actions  

yeah

but then he offered them a cut

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on Sep 29, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah ha.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Sep 29, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

foolish Braves front office

Had they traded Mike Minor for Beltran they would undoubtedly been in the post season. The lack of offense depth cost them the lead

"Its only a game, but it helps teach you about life"

by Seaver73 on Sep 29, 2011 12:55 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Lack of offense?

Imagine who would’ve been starting games for them down the stretch if they DIDN’T have Minor. Hanson and Jurrjens getting hurt and Lowe crumbling to pieces was arguably a bigger part of their collapse, along with the back of the end bullpen fading (Fredi Gonzalez using them everyday probably had something to do with that, along with natural rookie playoff anxiety).

Don’t get me wrong…Beltran would’ve helped them offensively but the pitching was a much bigger part of the problem down the stretch. Plus, I’m perfectly satisfied with Zack Wheeler.

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by Steve Schreiber on Sep 29, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Terahan and Delgado.

Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.

by Ogre39666 on Sep 29, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

so what now everyone?

hot stove’s a good bit away, no playoffs,AGAIN, and pending wilpon stress. What do we do? I cant watch the Jose stuff 24/7 itll drive me nuts. Do i just turn the switch to Giants/Devils now?

i feel like i need a buffer week.

I hate Philadelphia so much.

by the caveman on Sep 29, 2011 1:30 PM EDT reply actions  

RWC

The Rugby World Cup is heading into playoffs. Can get most of the matches via internet or universal sports. Between college footbally, NY Giants, and the RWC, I am good through January/February.

by CCE718 on Sep 29, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm a RaysGeek for the next month.

That and the football Giants.

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by Steve Schreiber on Sep 29, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perfect

the hockey starts in a week.

Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.

by Ogre39666 on Sep 29, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I lobby the picture be removed, because that self-serving piece of shit shouldn't get free advertizing space

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Sep 29, 2011 1:52 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

With the season over...

I will half pay attention to the MLB playoffs & WS. But, as soon as that is over, the next baseball headline I read better be this “Reyes Signs Deal to Retire a Met”. If not, I am going to be really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, angry, and Wilpon will not like me when I am angry!!!

by CCE718 on Sep 29, 2011 2:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Hope to see Capuano next season also...wouldn't mind Hairston

I like what we got from Capuano- a good amount of innings, just needs to cut down on HR balls. and to think that was pitching in a very tough HR park. if the fences come in he may give up 10 more.

Hairston is a nice extra OF, and a decent PH.

Don’t care about Paulino or Harris. I would rather see Evans in the Harris role

I also believe we may see better seasons from Thole and Turner in 2012 if they are back. They are both finishing their first full season, just like any other rookie. they will improve most likely.

They may want to think about retaining Bautista also. He seems like a decent bullpen/ spot SP option

Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all

by Rickfansince76 on Sep 29, 2011 2:26 PM EDT reply actions  

My impression was that Hairston was our only bench player who pinch-hit well.

True, or just misperception? It seemed like all the other scrubs hit well when they got starts, but not when they came off the bench.

by Curtis3331 on Sep 29, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

the hammer

Before everyday and injury

I hate Philadelphia so much.

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