Another TRAID TEH COEUR post....
by The real Julio from Paterson on Sep 6, 2011 11:24 AM EDT
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The worlds economy is on the verge of ruin....
The Mets suck....
In a lot of ways the Mets finances and general disarray has mirrored the current sorry state of our world in general. It's as if Mr. Met can double as posterchild of the beginning of the end of times. Polar shifts and emotional loyalties aside as the reality of an extended rebuilding period sets in the time to crack the proverbial eggs to make the omelette is now upon us.
Regarding Jose Reyes.....
I love Jose. I love everything about this man down to his Reggaeton video "no hay amigo". For those who haven't seen it watch it on Youtube for a good belly laugh. However he is not a 20 million man. He is not a .350, I mean a .330 hitter. He is not durable. My gut tells me although he shows all the indicators of being on the verge of going into his prime his fragile hamstrings will not support his ascension to alltime greatness. During the duration of what's being projected as the length of his next contract (6 yrs) he in all likelyhood averages 140 games a year if lucky with a line closer to his career averages than to this years line. The better years more than likely being the first couple during which the Mets should still be elbows deep in the process of rebuilding.
Regarding David Wright.....
I like Dubs. He is a team first guy. He has taken the leadership and "face of the franchise" roles he has been saddled with and exhibited grace and class during a time of turmoil for this team with a locker room stripped of all its front line talent due to age, injury or trade. He has however displayed a disturbing pattern of deterioration over the past few seasons. From strikeouts to throwing errors to physical injury the David Wright of 2009, 2010, 2011 has been inferior to the Dubs of 2005, 2006, 2007. He has one year left with a Mets only option for 2013.
Regarding the Mets.....
Saddled with the horrific contracts of Johan Santana and Jason Bay as well as the fallout from the Bernie Madoff Ponzi scheme it is known that the team is under financial constraints for the foreseeable future. In all likelyhood by the time this team is ready to dominate, think 2014ish, we will have seen the best of both Reyes and Wright. It may be best for this team to consider letting Reyes walk and let the revamped front office and scouting department take the 2 sandwich picks in an effort to build better organizational depth for 2014. David Wright would easily bring at least an equal haul to the top flight pitching prospect we received for Carlos Beltran. With an eye to the future and infielders Wilmer Flores, Jordany Valdespin, Ruben Tejada and Reese Havens there are only so many regular spots to be had up with the big club. If Flores is indeed the best offensive prospect we have and he better projects as a 3rd baseman he'll have a place to play when the time comes. I'm not excited at the prospect of a couple of rebuilding seasons but with circumstances as they are the time for quick fixes has ended.
Thoughts....
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Back on the Wright track?
David Wright 2004-2008:
.394 OBP/.534 SLG/.928 OPS; K/PA ratio: 16.6%
David Wright 2009-2011:
.370 OBP/.475 SLG/.845 OPS; K/PA ratio 22.7%
But since returning from the DL on July 22 this season, Wright has played in 41 games and his numbers have been:
.397 OBP/.535 SLG/.932 OBP; K/PA ratio 15.6%
Maybe that last set of numbers is just a tiny-sample illusion, but the almost uncanny resemblance to his OBP/SLG/OPS numbers during his great ‘05-’08 four year period is certainly encouraging, suggesting this is a level he is capable of sustaining for years at a time. Note also that those great four Wright years have been the Mets’ only over-.500 seasons in the past ten years.
Beat me to it.
David’s been a monster since coming back and that 15.6 K% is really, really encouraging to his future stock. His .325/.397/.535 line is right up there with vintage 2005-08 David Wright.
I’ll take the gamble that at 28 years old, the David Wright of old is finally on his way back.
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by Steve Schreiber on Sep 6, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope for his sake he is the David of old...
And not an old David. I think next year with a slim lineup and not enough protection his numbers may slip again. In this instance depending on what we can get I say sell high..
Undefeated is the new "Winning".
Duh, undefeated....
by The real Julio from Paterson on Sep 6, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
thinking the same
Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all
by Rickfansince76 on Sep 6, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Can I say it? Can I?
Here goes….SSS. Ok, now that that’s over with, I hope Wright’s resurgence is due to an unlearning or some bad habits, or better yet a learning of some new ones, but let’s not call just over a month an indicator of anything.
It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.
Wright has made some actual changes since returning from the DL
He’s standing closer to the plate. In the field, he has stopped throwing side-armed. So we have some actual explanations for the better numbers.
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That certainly is a positive sign
I think we all hope that this continues.
It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.
He has NOT stopped throwing sidearm
He may be doing it less, but he is still doing it all the time.
Reyes is hitting better than ever
so how do you not keep him around. Is it a fluke season or has his OK (not great) health finally caught up to his experience. I think Jose will continually hit over .300 for the next few season. That is worth keeping
Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all
By the way
Reyes’ great offensive is only a part of the argument. You’re completely ignoring his excellent defense and throwing arm, both which are a level up from Ruben Tejada or anyone who could replace Reyes.
And even if he doesn’t hit .330, so what? He’d be a perfectly viable offensive shortstop if he hit .290/.350/.450 like he did from 06-08.
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by Steve Schreiber on Sep 6, 2011 1:13 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Seriously.
He’s been worth 26.6 batting Runs. You have Tulo at 30.5 above him and then the next closest SS is A. Cabrera with 16.7. Reyes doesn’t even need to be as good with the bat to again be one of the best offensive SS’s.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
FWIW, Reyes is the 2nd hardest player in the league to strikeout (6.7 K%).
That bodes well for his continued high OBP and AVG.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
Seriously, I don't even get why there is so much discussion happening here
There’s nothing to discuss.
I agree with (mostly) everybody's points
But, if we do keep these guys at big money and were not probably going to be competitive the next 2 years were probably going to wind up getting the best of these guys during the rebuilding years ‘12 and ’13 and when we’re all systems go ‘14 and beyond Dubs will be 32 and Reyes will be a legs player on the wrong side of thirty still owed about 4 yrs on a more than likely backloaded contract that will limit our flexibility going forward. I’d rather spend that money in the moment to put a good foundation over the top then spend that money now and hope to build a good foundation. They’ll always be options in FA but we need a good foundation that will churn out stars and the 2 sandwich picks and what we can possibly get for a resurgent Wright goes along way toward that…
Undefeated is the new "Winning".
Duh, undefeated....
by The real Julio from Paterson on Sep 6, 2011 1:35 PM EDT reply actions
Fact is...
When the Mets are great again they wont look too much like they look now and we need to accept that….
Undefeated is the new "Winning".
Duh, undefeated....
by The real Julio from Paterson on Sep 6, 2011 1:38 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I know, but what will that matter in 2014?
Undefeated is the new "Winning".
Duh, undefeated....
by The real Julio from Paterson on Sep 6, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I did not know we were predicting the future.
Irrational Mets fan known for memorable ranting and raving, when things inevitably go wrong.
Based on recent history 09 to 11
Reyes is and has been injury prone, not to mention the early part of his career where he was injured. I dont think its wise to spend upwards of 120 million for a “legs” player that will turn 29 during the 1st year of the contract especially when anyone can see that the priority for the team is the future beyond ’12.
Undefeated is the new "Winning".
Duh, undefeated....
by The real Julio from Paterson on Sep 6, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd rather have 120 games of Jose Reyes
over 160 games of Ruben Tejada, thank you very much.
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by Steve Schreiber on Sep 6, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
me too!! but if we sign him and it takes a few years to get into contention
which in all likely hood it will, the better years of that contract will be spend on non playoff years and the backloaded over 20 million years he’ll be older, and more like to be less productive and injury prone. My stance is if were gonna rebuild and really change the philosophy here, go all in with it and when the time is right spend the money fortifying what you’ve built….
Undefeated is the new "Winning".
Duh, undefeated....
by The real Julio from Paterson on Sep 6, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Isn't spending all the time to analyze advanced stats...
Just an attempt to predict the future?
Undefeated is the new "Winning".
Duh, undefeated....
by The real Julio from Paterson on Sep 6, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
And he can lead the league in creating runs the next 2 years as well...
And he could also come over to my place to watch the playoffs those years too cause he probably wont be playing in them…
Undefeated is the new "Winning".
Duh, undefeated....
by The real Julio from Paterson on Sep 6, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
If they are on our team, then yes it does matter because it'd help a ton.
They’ll 31 years old, not 50! You’re acting like these guys are going to be washed up and while there’s a slight chance of it happening, there’s more of a chance that they’re productive into their early 30’s.
You’re acting like you’re scared and that is not the way to run a baseball team. Sometimes you have to take a risk for a reward and in this case, you take the risk every time of locking up your two best franchise players into their early 30’s. I don’t get why you think there’s some sort of magic dividing line between 2013 and 2014 where they’re going to go from awesome to suck at the drop of a hat.
Not to mention you don’t know what you’ll get in return for a Wright or Reyes. They’re known commodities and they’re excellent ballplayers. You don’t trade known commodities, who happen to be very good at baseball, for lottery tickets. You trade bad ballplayers or ballplayers who don’t fit into future plans for lottery tickets. Wright and Reyes most certainly fit into future plans and likely will contribute for another 5-7 years.
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by Steve Schreiber on Sep 6, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Most players that are signed at 28 or 29 for deals as long as
7 years are usually viewed as albatrosses at the end….And from what I’ve seen Alderson isn’t the guy to make those types of commitments anyway and the more I think about it, for good reason…
Undefeated is the new "Winning".
Duh, undefeated....
by The real Julio from Paterson on Sep 6, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I really don't see him getting 7 guaranteed years.
It’s much more likely he gets 4 or 5 with either a club option for a 5th/6th year or vesting options based on games played.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
Not to mention that you keep implying that becasue Reyes has "young player" skills, he'll age worse.
It’s a fallacy that players with “old player” skills age better. Besides, Reyes’ does have some “old player” skills (his K% for instance).
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
I know but say in summer 2015 you can get a younger Andrus or Cabrera
just as your headed to you 2nd consecutive playoff appearance with a mostly very young team spearheaded by early to mid 20’s pitchers but you still have a starting to decline 32 year old Reyes on Payroll for 2 1/2 years still owed 50 million, then what?
Undefeated is the new "Winning".
Duh, undefeated....
by The real Julio from Paterson on Sep 6, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
You know that Cabrera is only 2 years younger, right?
And that’s ignoring that this is a big market team and should be able to withstand a $100M contract.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
I thought he was younger...
And 100 million is alot. I remember you and me going at it over GMJ and 1 million, now 100 million is a drop in the bucket?!?
Undefeated is the new "Winning".
Duh, undefeated....
by The real Julio from Paterson on Sep 6, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
$1M is way too much to pay someone who is actually hurtung the team.
$100M is worth it if you’re paying it to a top-3 SS. And $110M deals aren’t that uncommon anymore. That’s not to say that they should be given out left and right, but if you have a legit star player who’s not on the wrong side of 30 when he signs it, it can be worth it.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
$1M is way too much to pay someone who's actually putting up negative WAR in under 100 PA's.
$100M is worth it if you’re paying it to a top-3 SS. And $110M deals aren’t that uncommon anymore. That’s not to say that they should be given out left and right, but if you have a legit star player who’s not on the wrong side of 30 when he signs it, it can be worth it.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
Love the Mets
Love the Mets
Undefeated is the new "Winning".
Duh, undefeated....
by The real Julio from Paterson on Sep 6, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Ya know, I think I've read somewhere that speed ages better than power
You’re assuming Reyes will never be healthy, but he has had hamstring problems in the past and overcame them until the baffling stupidity that was the Mets medical team.
I think its mechanical...
He will eventually get hurt again…
AND WHO TOLD YOU SPEED AGES BETTER THAN POWER?
Undefeated is the new "Winning".
Duh, undefeated....
by The real Julio from Paterson on Sep 6, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
It's easier to get by on speed and such and then learn plate discipline when it starts to decline.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
True but..
Speed ages better as a blanket statement is wrong…
Undefeated is the new "Winning".
Duh, undefeated....
by The real Julio from Paterson on Sep 6, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Jason Bay has been phenomenal hasn't he?
According to that, speedsters age slightly better than the general ball player. Basically my point is that this idea that speed skill players lose their skills sooner than other players is false.
Than the General ball player but not power hitter in particular...
Undefeated is the new "Winning".
Duh, undefeated....
by The real Julio from Paterson on Sep 6, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
How were people viewing that in spring 2010....
Undefeated is the new "Winning".
Duh, undefeated....
by The real Julio from Paterson on Sep 6, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
he had a crap 2010 and 16 and 65 in 2011
is his performance this year worth 20 mil? Ask the Giants. Come on Orge your probably the most not wanting to overspend poster here, really??
Undefeated is the new "Winning".
Duh, undefeated....
by The real Julio from Paterson on Sep 6, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Beltran was worth his contract.
He put up ~30 WAR with us (I say about because I’m estimating 3 WAR for this season from memory). That equates to about $122M in value going by the 1WAR = $4M model. His contract was for $119M. I don’t care what Giants fans think or how many RBI’s he had this year, he was worth the contract.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
Thats fair...
But the last years of backloaded contracts are usually tough, think Giambi or other similar examples…
Undefeated is the new "Winning".
Duh, undefeated....
by The real Julio from Paterson on Sep 6, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Giambi was also a first baseman who was dependent solely on his hitting ability.
Reyes is a shortstop who plays excellent defense, has a rocket arm and hits line drives. Considering Giambi’s steroid confession too, no wonder the end of his contract was an albatross.
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by Steve Schreiber on Sep 6, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just a note on backloaded deals
Money is worth less in the future, so back loading a deal is almost always a good idea.
Bobby Bonilla
Undefeated is the new "Winning".
Duh, undefeated....
by The real Julio from Paterson on Sep 6, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm?
You’re talking about his 2000 contract? That contract wasn’t backloaded…when they released him, they just deferred the money into the future, where it would be worth less (just as Evan_S said above).
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by Steve Schreiber on Sep 6, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
i know i know read my last reply 2 comments below
Undefeated is the new "Winning".
Duh, undefeated....
by The real Julio from Paterson on Sep 6, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
That is all
Undefeated is the new "Winning".
Duh, undefeated....
by The real Julio from Paterson on Sep 6, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously though
I know what your saying but with mega deals the rate of decline of the player verses the increase in salary is generally a bad idea…
Undefeated is the new "Winning".
Duh, undefeated....
by The real Julio from Paterson on Sep 6, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry in advance for going into attack mode but this is blatantly moronic, to say the least.
You’re going to judge the entirety of his contract based on an injury plagued 2010 and the number of home runs and RBI (a useless stat) that he put up in half a season with the Mets? He hit .289/.391/.513 with the Mets this year.
You’ve got to be kidding me.
How about the MVP level 2006 season? The excellent 07 and 08 seasons and the first half of 2009? How about the Gold Glove defense in center field or the nearly flawless baserunning for almost the entirety of the contract?
Sorry, but it ain’t Carlos Beltran’s fault the the Giants are tanking. He’s hitting .318/.348/.511 since joining them. It’s not his fault the rest of their lineup is trash and that Sanchez, Wilson and Romo got hurt. And anybody who didn’t think Beltran was worth his deal is frankly not looking at the facts of what he gave this club over 6 1/2 seasons. If you’re letting yourself be blinded by one freakin’ plate appearance out of around 7,000 times the guy has stepped to the plate in a major league game, get over it. Everybody fails sometimes and in baseball, the average hitter fails 7/10 times.
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by Steve Schreiber on Sep 6, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Whoa!!!
My point is the last 2 years of 90 percent of 6+ year megadeals arent worth the money. I never have said a word about the Wainwright hook and last time i checked he had like 2 hr and 7 rbi as a giant, they didnt bring him in to set the table they brought him in to clean it…
Undefeated is the new "Winning".
Duh, undefeated....
by The real Julio from Paterson on Sep 6, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd adjust to 2 out mode and swing for the fences then....
Undefeated is the new "Winning".
Duh, undefeated....
by The real Julio from Paterson on Sep 6, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
This brings up a thought
Is there any way to include standard injury periods to contract analysis? It is fairly easily assumed that if you sign a guy to a 5-year deal he will be injured at least sometime during that deal. A one-year signing would have less risk but more of the contract value would be eaten by a single injury than in a longer term. I have to imagine that the data exists to develop an actuarial table of sorts to predict injury terms (at least to develop a mean) and to assign risk values to individual players from this. Reyes would be, by recent experience, more likely to sustain a future injury, or so I think. But I’d be interested to see if anyone has actually looked into mean injury values and predictors of likelihood of future injury. Nerds, I mean you.
It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.
One thing that brought this up
Is the Reyes/Tejada argument. Now I’m not sure that Reyes will be worth whatever his going rate is this offseason, regardless of the fact that I love him. What I cannot bear to see is Tejada in his role. So this brings up the following: Most team will invest in only one starter at each position besides pitcher. The economic basis for this is pretty unassailable: you don’t want to be paying two guys at the same position a starter salary when most of the time both will be healthy. But when you lose a starter the quality of the sub becomes incredibly important in gauging the loss. The loss of Mookie Wilson didn’t look so bad when Lenny Dykstra showed up in center. But I’m sure that +1 everyday Tejada, besides increasing the clamor to pinch hit relievers by orders of magnitude, is a greater loss than -1 Reyes. So perhaps a durable starter is worth more than might be expected in comparison to a less durable one.
It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.
Teams probably have their own injury-term models and what have you
and they probably hold them very very close the the vest.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
On AA, we were still fine with it
But for most fans, he contract became an albatross in game 6 of the NLCS. How contracts are viewed and what they are seem to be two very different things.
Keep them both!
Look, any hope we have of contending in 2012 or 2013 will depend on Wright and Reyes. If we let Reyes walk, we get two draft picks for him. If we trade Wright, maybe we get 2-3 good prospects. Now our core becomes Davis, Duda, Murphy and Thole.
You want to say the team will be built on pitching prospects and that hopefully two of Wheeler, Harvey, Familia and Mejia pan out? OK, but how does having Wright or Reyes on the team impact that? I believe very strongly that if we can get Bay off the team and add a decent starter (Peavy?) this team will contend in 2012.
Idk thats theres really any scenario where nxt year is a contending year but...
I love the positivity….
Undefeated is the new "Winning".
Duh, undefeated....
by The real Julio from Paterson on Sep 6, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
We agree on something.
Unless Alderson pulls some miracle moves, we’re probably right around .500 again.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
We could be over .500
but I doubt that we hit 90 wins.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Sep 6, 2011 6:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I really want to resign Reyes
But I am getting tired of the $15M+ contracts. I believe SA was brought in to create a team where top salaries will be in the $5 to 7M range.
Then say goodbye to Reyes
He is going to command at least $15m, and there is likely a crazy GM who would offer him $20m
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by blueandorange4life on Sep 7, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
That's not why Alderson was brought in
He was brought in to competently rebuild the Mets.
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by Russ on Sep 7, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sandy Alderson was hired to create a Mets team that is good, and competitive
The best way to do that is to, in this case, hire the best players available. Is Jose Reyes the best player available? Yes- there you go.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Sep 7, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
with the way Wilpons run things...
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
There is literally no way you can run a baseball team like that.
Not without a time machine, at least.
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Sep 7, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
If this team is going to only have top salaries
of 7 million, then they are going to suck.
All of their good players are pre-arb. or were signed to extension that took away arb. years leading to discounts.
Upton, Montero, Kennedy, Hudson, Young, and Drew all fit that description.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
All those guys are going to hit arbitration real soon if they're not already there.
Not to say that’s not a good model…that’s exactly the model Sandy needs to follow and is following. But guys are only cheap early in their career. Eventually they’ll get expensive after 3 or so years.
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by Steve Schreiber on Sep 7, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
You are aware that there's such a thing as arbitration, right?
There’s no chance that the D-Back’s core guys make that little once their contracts are up and they hit the market.
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Sep 7, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
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