Mets 7, Marlins 4: Nick Evans Drives in Three Go-Ahead Runs, Mets Eventually Win Baseball Game

Delayed over an hour by rain, the Mets and Marlins played a twelve-inning game in which fiften pitchers were used, eighteen walks were issued, one batter was hit by a pitch, and the Mets gave up three leads.
Despite the fact that Miguel Batista twice loaded the bases with only one out in the third and fourth innings, the second game of the Mets' final visit to the football stadium outside Miami remained scoreless for four innings.
With two outs and runners on the corners in the top of the fifth inning, Justin Turner put the Mets on the board with a single. Lucas Duda followed up the hit with a walk to load the bases, but David Wright displayed an extreme lack of grission by flying out to end the inning.
The Marlins tied the game up in the bottom of the inning on a Greg Dobbs double. Given the way Batista was pitching to that point, the Mets were lucky it took so long for the Marlins to score.
It didn't take long for the Mets to regain the lead. A one-out single by Nick Evans drove in Willie Harris to put the Mets back on top, but Evans negated the impact of his hit by getting thrown out attempting to take second base on the play.
Batista made it through the sixth inning unscathed, but the game was tied once again in the bottom of the seventh with Manny Acosta on the mound. Once again, Greg Dobbs doubled in a run.
Just like the previous time the Marlins tied the game, the Mets responded with a run in the top of the following inning, thanks in part to a particularly poor managerial move by Jack McKeon. Angel Pagan doubled to begin the inning, and the Marlins intentionally walked Harris to face Evans. I'll say it again: The Marlins intentionally walked Willie Harris. Evans singled to drive in the go-ahead run for the second time.
Jason Isringhausen came in for the bottom of the eighth and picked up on the trend established by Batista in the third and fourth by loading the bases with one out. Izzy did it in particularly ugly fashion, walking all three of the baserunners, but managed to strike out Jose Lopez and Emilio Bonifacio to end the inning. Here's what Izzy's inning looked like in strikezone plot form:
Jose Reyes singled to start the ninth, and the managers sprung into action. Terry Collins called for a sacrifice bunt to move Reyes to second, always an irksome choice for Mets fans. Duda grounded out, moving Reyes to third. McKeon opted to intentionally walk Wright to get to Pagan, who doubled to score Reyes and extend the Mets' lead to two. With runners on second and third, McKeon again called for an intentional walk to Harris to get to Evans, but this time it worked.
Bobby Parnell was called upon in the bottom of the ninth, and he retired two of the first three batters he faced. Unfortunately, he issued a walk to Logan Morrison which proved to be costly when Mike Cameron came up and doubled to tie the game. After yet another intentional walk, Parnell struck out Donnie Murphy to send the game to extras.
The only noteworthy part of the top of the tenth inning was Jose Reyes' ill-advised attempt to stretch a single into a double with two outs. He was thrown out easily at second base to end the inning. The Marlins didn't score in the tenth, either, and the game continued.
In the bottom of the eleventh, Tim Byrdak issued a two-out walk but got a pop-up that could have ended the inning had Wright caught it on the grass behind third base. With runners on second and third, Collins brought in Ryota Igarashi, who struck out the only batter he faced to keep the game alive.
The Mets took their fourth lead of the game in the top of the twelfth on a trio of singles by Pagan, Jason Bay, and, of course, Nick Evans, the last of which scored one run and put runners on the corners. Ruben Tejada was sent to the plate to hit, and with a 2-0 count, Terry Collins put on the suicide squeeze for the second time in three days. This time, it merely resulted in a foul ball, and Tejada eventually struck out.
Jose Reyes lined a single to right field, his third hit on the night, and Bay came home to make it a two-run lead for the Mets. Turner walked to load the bases, the Marlins brought in Steve Cishek, and Cishek walked Duda on four pitches to give the Mets their seventh run of the night.
Josh Stinson finally put an end to the game in the bottom of the frame, throwing a 1-2-3 inning to notch his first major league save.
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Win Probability Added
Big winners: Nick Evans, +33.9% WPA, Jason Bay, +23.6% WPA, Miguel Batista, +21.6% WPA
Big losers: Bobby Parnell, -40.8% WPA, David Wright, -25.3% WPA
Teh aw3s0mest play: Jason Bay single in the twelfth, +23.6% WPA
Teh sux0rest play: Mike Cameron game-tying double in the ninth, -51.7% WPA
Total pitcher WPA: +13.1% WPA
Total batter WPA: +36.9% WPA
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Game Thread Roll Call
Nice job by MetsFan4Decades; her effort in the game thread embiggens us all.
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| 1 | MetsFan4Decades | 261 |
| 2 | ScottfromPeekskill | 246 |
| 3 | BurleighGrimes | 203 |
| 4 | CTRefJay | 131 |
| 5 | netsareboss | 131 |
| 6 | CJ_Scudworth | 127 |
| 7 | aparkermarshall | 125 |
| 8 | TKFJ | 121 |
| 9 | Steve Schreiber | 121 |
| 10 | Russ | 115 |
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That's because we should only focus on the negatives after a win
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Some guy had a good game today
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Sep 7, 2011 12:58 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Some other guy had a bad game today.
But baseball is forgiving, because they play again tomorrow.
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Also, Terryball continues with him calling in Igarashi. Again.
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And that we nearly made 3K comments
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and if you add all the comments the marlins fans made
the number is essentially unchanged
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by KeithsMoustache on Sep 7, 2011 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Basically - here's a comparison (or lack thereof)
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by sj10689 on Sep 7, 2011 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
nice graphic
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by KeithsMoustache on Sep 7, 2011 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks
What makes it nicer is the contrast between today and the day before. Our thread was far more relevant today
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had a bit of extra time to work with this thread
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by KeithsMoustache on Sep 7, 2011 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow, just 82.
Although that might be a new record for Fishstripes.
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by BobbyV_Incognito on Sep 7, 2011 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Good job, guys
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Potentially great news
We can win 2 games in each of today and tomorrow
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Evans
If Bay doesn’t come around, we could do a lot worse – hitting, wise, of course – than a Murphy/Evans LF platoon next year. The glove is another story, of course, but something to think about…
by dontstopbelieving on Sep 7, 2011 1:02 AM EDT reply actions
I doubt Bay would sit on the bench.
Bay has value for defensive purposes alone. If he could be mediocre with the bat it would not be half bad.
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His defense
is not nearly enough to offset his awful bat; he’s basically been a slightly-above-replacement player this year.
by dontstopbelieving on Sep 7, 2011 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
... but the $16 M/year is.
Bay will not sit unless by some miracle we are in a pennant race come mid-August and he’s done nothing all year.
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I thought you were only negative?
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by Shinjo Is God on Sep 7, 2011 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Rationality makes its way into my brain most of the time.
It exits during the actual games.
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In theory, I would love this
and they should have been doing that already. But I’ve since come to the view that 2 catastrophic knee injuries in 2 years at 2B – injuries that potentially could have been avoided by a more experienced and/or natural 2B – mean it’s time to stick him elsewhere if possible. No doubt his bat plays best at 2B, but it can’t play anywhere if he’s on the shelf.
by dontstopbelieving on Sep 7, 2011 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
i still dont feel like you can blame murph entirely for either knee injury
i mean sure, he’s less than graceful, but both slides were so horrendous as to be inexcusable on the part of the baserunner. The first one that took out his knee bordered on assault and the second one was just really ugly
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by KeithsMoustache on Sep 7, 2011 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree, but
I have to think that there are a lot of ugly slides that occur over the course of a major league season. Maybe not as awful as the two that took out Murph – but bad ones nonetheless. My guess is that we just don’t notice them because they’re a non-issue with second basemen who know how to get out of the way. It’s the kind of thing that’s hard to prove either way, but it’s equally hard to just chalk 2 awful injuries, in a very limited number of innings, to freak accidents, when we’re talking about a guy who has very little experience at the position. It’s not enough to prove cause and effect, but it definitely makes one think about whether it’s worth the risk.
by dontstopbelieving on Sep 7, 2011 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions
He'd know how to get out of the way on not-so-horrible slides is he ever got to play 2B.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
the catch-22
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by KeithsMoustache on Sep 7, 2011 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I dunno, looking at those two plays, I can't really imagine it would be easy for any second baseman to get out of the way
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by KeithsMoustache on Sep 7, 2011 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Correlation =//= causation
Especially when we’re dealing with two ‘freakish’ plays, of which the first was not his fault, and the second maybe 25% his fault- if Costanza doesn’t slide strangely, nothing happens. In the time he was at 2B, he didn’t do anything to have ‘incumbent’ status taken away from him. People like to cite that he looked bad at second, but no stats, traditional, advanced, or otherwise show he did a butcher of a job there. SSS? Sure. Statistical noise? Sure. But, until something quantifiably demonstrates that his defense at second is costing the team wins…
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Sep 7, 2011 1:22 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
I don't think 'catastrophic' is the right word to be using here.
Also, your reasoning seems to be “he doesn’t have the experience, so he shouldn’t get the experience”. Seems pretty flawed to me.
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by BobbyV_Incognito on Sep 7, 2011 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions
OK
Obviously the injury isn’t “catastrophic” in the sense that that word is normally used. Let’s at least agree that in the context of baseball injuries, the 2 injuries Murph has suffered are severe, and leave it at that.
My argument is:
(1) moving from 3B (Murphy’s natural position) to 2B is hard for anyone. It’s a move up in difficulty on the defensive position spectrum, and it’s not a move that a huge number of players make successfully. Certainly not unprecedented or impossible by any means, but it’s not a move that’s guaranteed to succeed either (if success is defined as having Murphy play 2B, generally avoiding injury, and playing well enough defensively to warrant keeping him out there for his bat) no matter how may reps he gets at 2B.
(2) Murphy is a very good hitter who can provide significant value to the Mets, either by playing for them at some position, or in a trade, but can provide no value if injured.
(3) Murphy has suffered 2 significant knee injuries playing an unfamiliar position. Exactly what percentage of those injuries are attributable to lack of experience is unclear, but it’s probably not zero.
So my thinking is that at this point the risk of getting little-to-no value from Murphy, given the 2 injuries, outweighs the potential reward of having him play 2B capably, particularly with at least 2 potential 2B replacements (Havens, Valdespin) on the horizon.
by dontstopbelieving on Sep 7, 2011 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions
If Havens or Valdespin were ready and either had proved they could play everyday in the majors it would be different.
But ignoring that, you decry putting a player at a position he has unfamiliarity with, but want to put Murphy in LF – a position he is less than familiar with.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
my responses
1) I agree, it’s a tough move, and he may not be able to make it, but aside from the freak injury plays, he was never so bad at 2b to suggest he couldn’t handle the move. He won’t win any gold gloves but he certainly held up well enough at the position to suggest he could get better once he got used to positioning.
2) Murph is a good hitter, and could have significant value to the Mets by playing for them. The spot on the roster that is currently open is as a second baseman (Ike and Dubs aren’t going anywhere for a while, and he’s sure as hell not going back to the OF.) Along with my point above that he never really embarassed himself at 2b, I see no reason not to put him back there, keep his bat in the lineup, and let him help that way and learn the position better.
3) Yes he’s suffered 2 freak injuries at a position, but there have been plenty of freak accidents before his. This is like saying “oh that catcher got run over at the plate and hurt himself, he shouldn’t catch anymore.” Ultimately i’ll grant you with a bit more agility murph MAY have avoided his most recent injury, but thats not even a given. The first one was such a blatant cheap shot that I refuse to assign blame to Murph for it. By your logic that Murph got injured on a play he shouldn’t have, shouldn’t we find a new position for Ike Davis too? He hurt himself colliding with a player that he didn’t see coming. I guess we should move him to the OF too. Seems like Carlos Beltran and Mike Cameron would have been better served moving to the infield as well, since they collided with each other in a freak accident. I apologize as I know i’m getting a bit over-angry about this, but I’m really tired of people making it sound like Murph was some defensive butcher who couldn’t hack it at the position. Sure he got hurt twice, but he played the position admirably enough. Anybody who can watch those two freak plays and tell me bad luck didn’t play a major role in both isn’t watching the same plays.
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by KeithsMoustache on Sep 7, 2011 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
this
well argued and I could not agree more.
Exactly, Mr. Smoustache. Exactly
Murphy being bad at defense at second has kind of become a WFAN-ish trope, repeated and repeated until it’s believed by plenty of people, but it doesn’t have much substance to it. As I mentioned, in his SSS at second, no defensive metrics- traditional stats, advanced stats, my eyes- show that he was constantly botching plays, and that his glove was more of a liability than his bat could negate.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Sep 7, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I prefer Murphy at second base
Evans has earned his way onto next years team. Hopefully the days of jerking him around are over.
Neither Murphy nor Evans should be platooned
Especially with Evans’ reverse platoon splits this year
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They are still abiding

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by ScottfromPeekskill on Sep 7, 2011 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Can someone explain this one to me?
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Sep 7, 2011 1:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
the big lebowski theres a quote "The dude abides"
also, see that movie immediately
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by KeithsMoustache on Sep 7, 2011 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he means the .gif.
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by BobbyV_Incognito on Sep 7, 2011 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions
oh yeah probably, i forgot i minimized it
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by KeithsMoustache on Sep 7, 2011 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Apache
It’s from a hilarious 1977 music video by a group called The Tommy Seebach Band, covering the song “Apache.”
Watch it and weep: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLK5ZOjWaXE
My goodness gracious!
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Sep 7, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow
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Man this was a kooky game
This was a terribly managed game on both sides with Terry bunting as usual. Jack McKeon on the other hand managed one of the worst games you’ll ever see. I mean walking Willie Harris intentionally twice is grounds for a firing. Nick Evans has finally gotten a chance to play and he’s just killing the ball and playing adequate defense as well. Angel Pagan has really been hitting really well the last few months and he has mostly shut up the silly non tender talk. Bobby Parnell had enough really rough outing. The guy has great stuff but his command is not very good and he does put on a ton of base runners on. That said, two blown saves shouldn’t change anything and he should continue to be the closer. I mean removing him is silly as you gain more learning if he’s the man for the job instead of going to a washed up has been liked Izzy, who won’t be here next year. David Wright was on a hell of a hot steak and I’m hoping tonight’s stinker for him doesn’t get him on a cold streak as he has become a pretty streaky player. Nice win and I’m very happy for Nick Evans as he’s finally gotten his chance to play everyday at the MLB level. I also am happy for Stinson got the save and I’ve liked what I’ve seen from him in a short sample.
by graves9 on Sep 7, 2011 1:22 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Parnell
You have to let him finish out the year, I agree, but in the long term I don’t think he’s the man for the job. He’s a good relief pitcher, but the thing he has the biggest problem with (putting men on base) is the number one problem you don’t want with someone who is closing out games. A BB/9 of 4.38 is not good enough for a closer, or even to be considered an elite relief pitcher. If he can’t learn to master that part of his game, he will always have ups and downs closing out games. Hopefully he can adjust, but I feel we will be in a transition period at this position for a while.
It bears repeating that last season we lose this game
At least the team keep fighting, even if it takes awhile (or until the Marlins exhaust their bullpen)
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by blueandorange4life on Sep 7, 2011 2:44 AM EDT reply actions
Murphy Plus Evans
“If Bay doesn’t come around, we could do a lot worse – hitting, wise, of course – than a Murphy/Evans LF platoon next year.”
I think Murphy plus Evans is as good as Ike at first base. After all, whichever one doesn’t start is available to pinch hit or DH.
So the first thing is to see if Ike can come back as good as he was. Then the question is whether to keep these guys as 2/5 of your bench, or trade them as a tandem to a team than needs a first baseman.
If this season taught us anything
It is the importance of having a deep bench of players who can step up for injured players. That is why I am not concerned about finding a place in the opening day lineup for Evans and Murphy and Turner. It is almost guaranteed that each of those guys will get 250 PA during the year
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