Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: Drug Testing, Alistair Overeem & UFC 146's Potential Legacy

Thursday Morning Applesauce: Marlins can't touch Dickey, Schwinden about to debut, Reyes not type A?

The Mets offense didn't do much yesterday, but who needs offense when R.A. Dickey is on the mound? The Duda and Reyes were content to give him a run in the first inning and simply sit back and enjoy the show from that point on as the Mets managed a 1-0 victory over the hapless Marlins. The game marks the last time I'll ever have to stare at the ugly orange seats of whatever you want to call it stadium, but I'm really hoping I get to see the stadium one last time as it joins Fulton County Stadium, the Kingdome, and Three Rivers Stadium in the scrap heap where it belongs.

The Marlins will be opening their new stadium to the countless hordes of other teams fans next season, and when the Mets come to town they are hoping to treat those fans to a Johan Santana start. To that end, the Johan is expected to be pitching in a rehab game this Friday. If all goes well we might actually be seeing him in the major leagues this season, but frankly I'd just be happy to have him back for 2012. Even with the impending return of Johan Santana, Dave Searles doesn't see a whole lot of reason to think the Mets will be better in 2012. I don't know that I'd really agree with much of what he wrote, but he's certainly entitled to his opinions. Howard Megdal sees a good reason to be excited for 2012 though. He took a look at the return of David Wright over at his blog and pointed out that his recent hot form isn't necessarily something out of the ordinary.

One pitcher who has a chance to prove he can contribute to the 2012 roster is Chris Schwinden. Schwinden will hopefully be making his first start in the big leagues today as the Mets have a double header with the Braves. He's certainly had himself a nice year to date, so hopefully it ends well for him. 

Bobby Parnell is another Mets pitcher who's been auditioning for his 2012 role. Dan Martin notes that his role has become somewhat murkier with his recent outings. The 7 train to Shea also recently looked at the struggles he's had in the closer role. I'm firmly of the opinion that these guys are forming their opinions on too small a sample, but I have hopes that Parnell will be penciled into a role other than the 9th going forward simply to keep his arbitration figures less expensive.

Star-divide

It doesn't look like the Mets will be faced with too many difficult arbitration decisions this year in regards to free agent compensation. Offering to Jose Reyes is a lock, but what kind of compensation we can expect isn't. According to the latest Elias rankings at MLBTR, Reyes is right on the edge of type A/B compensation status. If that's not a pretty clear indication of how terrible that ranking system is, I don't know what will convince you.  

In ex-Mets news, Lenny Dykstra was back in court where he pled not guilty to his most recent charges. If this doesn't show what being traded to Philadelphia at a young age will do to youngsters, I don't know what will. Bud Selig really needs to take note and just contract the Phillies for the well-being of society in general.

Around the NL East:

Speaking of those nasty Phillies, they won again to sweep the Braves in the only other game involving NL East teams on the day. The Braves will now look to continue their losing ways against the Mets. The Phillies did get some bad news from baseball, however, as MLB told them to quit crying about the use of instant replay. Crybabies...

MLBTR took a look at the depth the Braves have currently built up in their rotation. They certainly look formidable for 2012, but I don't know that it's of all that big a concern to Mets fans at this point.

FanGraphs took a look at the start to Stephen Strasburg's career. He's certainly going to be a fun pitcher to watch if he stays healthy, it's just too bad he's in our division.

Around MLB:

One area where the Mets may being looking for reinforcement this winter is behind the plate. BtB takes a look at what the catcher market may look like this coming winter.

Those pesky Rays won their 1000th game last night in walk off fashion. Congratulations to Rays fans, hopefully they won't have to suffer through too many more wins at that awful stadium.

Baseball Prospectus took a very interesting look at umpire positioning. The article is not behind a paywall, so enjoy...

Lookout Landing tackled the issue of cheering for losing in September. In addition to being interesting, it's probably very relevent to the current Mets club.

Mike Trout was named the BA minor league player of the year. Congratulations.

McCovey Chronicles takes a look at the way the club has used Brandon Belt. I'm a huge fan of the lineup card they submitted.  

Finally, Jeff Passan takes a look at some of the baseball issues that could make September interesting with the lack of pennant races we have.

Comment 42 comments  |  0 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

Where is Johan pitching Friday?

I’m only about an hour away and would love to watch him in Savannah

by fieldofdreams on Sep 8, 2011 9:56 AM EDT reply actions  

The Elias rankings for SS are bunk

It’s pretty much AVG, OBP, HR, RBI and fielding percentage and plate attempts. Obviously the time Reyes has missed the pats couple years will factor in and bring him down, but the system is not really suited to his statistical strengths (R, SB).

Either way, he’s still a Type A and it probably won’t change by the end of the season.

"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell

by Rey-O on Sep 8, 2011 10:06 AM EDT reply actions  

bunk?

what does that mean, they are going to sleep in a bunk

Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all

by Rickfansince76 on Sep 8, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

it meens that it is stupid

like you can say that the Skankees are bunk lol.

"I love these tacos . If it was up to me I would eat them every night."
-Kevin Burkhardt

by DWRIGHT5RULES on Sep 8, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hey

no politics

(I don’t know how to do sarcasm font, sorry)

by Kepler on Sep 8, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

You do it

like this

But I’m not being sarcastic

You actually put @ around your word or phrase with no spaces after the first one or before the last one.

"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning

by blains2000 on Sep 8, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

Thanks a lot.

No, actually, thanks.

by Kepler on Sep 8, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

No problem

You're Welcome

Wait, I’m getting confused now

"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning

by blains2000 on Sep 8, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

That Searles piece was putrid

The thesis itself isn’t completely idiotic – though I suspect that the Mets will improve simply on the strength of returning players. However, he offered absolutely no type of analysis whatsoever. The Mets are flawed . . . and? How are they flawed? Be specific. Is it unreasonable to suspect that some of the flaws can be corrected with a few minor pickups? Just terrible.

by dcmetsfan on Sep 8, 2011 10:33 AM EDT reply actions  

i mean

it’s fine to bash Nick Evans… except he’s been mashing. 19 hits in his last 15 games. 3 hrs, 5 other extra-base hits, 14 grissiony rib-eyes. He’s played decent defense and looks like he has finally found a place. SSS and all, but he’s been looking pretty decent since he’s had regular playing time.

The artful muppet formerly known as KrmtDfrog.
Please read my sardonic wit and over-blown sense of self over at headkicklegend.com

by Cory Braiterman on Sep 8, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think it's the 'regular playing time' that's the issue.

Pridie did much better when he played regularly. Evans caught fire when he became a regular. My memory is that the same was true for Murphy and Duda, though I’d appreciate someone checking on that. That begs the question just how good these guys will be if they are relegated to the bench next season.

Turner might benefit from playing less often… or not… , but the rest of our supposed super subs might fall off a cliff next season. Harris, who I don’t expect to see around here next year, is a guy who’s twenty percent better when he starts than when he enters a game late, but he doesn’t seem to need to start regularly. Hairston seems to be the same way. It takes a special kind of player to come off the bench successfully, and I’m not sure that most of our young guys can do it.

by Curtis3331 on Sep 8, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

Abysmal, Debbie Downerish writing. Everything that could go wrong will go wrong in Searles’ mind.

Awful.

Chamption of the R.A. Dickey Face contest and "Cromulent Photoshopper Extraordinaire" of Amazin' Avenue!
You might know me as mistermet.

by Steve Schreiber on Sep 8, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Extremely terrible

A collection of the MSM’s “We think the Mets are awful and can’t build for the future” greatest hits

"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage

by blueandorange4life on Sep 8, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

i beg to differ
I don’t know that it’s of all that big a concern to Mets fans at this point.

The Bravos going forward are the biggest threat to the AL East. The Philth will be old and decaying soon enough – the Braves are talented and very young.

The artful muppet formerly known as KrmtDfrog.
Please read my sardonic wit and over-blown sense of self over at headkicklegend.com

by Cory Braiterman on Sep 8, 2011 10:40 AM EDT reply actions  

I think his point was

we aren’t contending any time soon.

by Kepler on Sep 8, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

we will contend next year

with the return of johan santana, ike david and murphy we will be great. especially if bay becomes bay and not hits like Bey Ordonez lol.

"I love these tacos . If it was up to me I would eat them every night."
-Kevin Burkhardt

by DWRIGHT5RULES on Sep 8, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe?

I’m a lot more optimistic about the Mets in 2012 than I was for 2011. “Ifs” abound… if Ike comes back and stays healthy, if Dudabides can stay healthy, if WRONGZ can stay healthy – that is three legitimate power bats. If they re-sign Reyes, if Johan comes back healthy, etc.

Still plenty more to look forward to this year than last.

The artful muppet formerly known as KrmtDfrog.
Please read my sardonic wit and over-blown sense of self over at headkicklegend.com

by Cory Braiterman on Sep 8, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I believe the "ifs" are mitigated somewhat this time around

For the first time in ages, I feel like we have considerable depth at every position except catcher. Our rotation and our bullpen will continue to be our biggest weaknesses at first but help is on the way in the form of AA and AAA prospects.

by TheBigStapler on Sep 8, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

This.

I think we’re in much better position to withstand injuries than we were in the recent past. We have a lot of guys who can come in and replace without being just replacement level. That seems to me to be our main strength in 2012.

by Curtis3331 on Sep 8, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's what we've said every year

And for the past 3 seasons, we’ve suffered major injuries…Reyes, Beltran, Delgado, Wright, Pagan, Santana, Niese, Ike, Murph, etc. etc.

"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell

by Rey-O on Sep 8, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

will the Braves be reeling from lose to Phils

I think that was a tough lose yesterday, leading late with their very dependable bullpen blowing it. Maybe they will have some hangover from that and we can beat then twice today. Lets hope, and lets hope Reyes can increase his lead for teh batting title

Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all

by Rickfansince76 on Sep 8, 2011 10:50 AM EDT reply actions  

that lineup card from the giants blog

faaaantastic

The artful muppet formerly known as KrmtDfrog.
Please read my sardonic wit and over-blown sense of self over at headkicklegend.com

by Cory Braiterman on Sep 8, 2011 11:17 AM EDT reply actions  

I lobby fangraphs WAR

to replace the Alias rankings.

groop·think/ˈgro͞opˌTHiNGk/
Preferably spelled in all caps
Noun: The practice of thinking or making decisions as a group, such as no i in trading.

by Dandy Salderson on Sep 8, 2011 11:21 AM EDT reply actions  

lolz

remind me to save that pic for future occasions

The artful muppet formerly known as KrmtDfrog.
Please read my sardonic wit and over-blown sense of self over at headkicklegend.com

by Cory Braiterman on Sep 8, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Love pro athletes

a couple good months in the bigs and all of a sudden every movie he sees is a dating buffet.

by tmu on Sep 8, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mayberry RFD

Really Fucking Dumb

www.haikuboy.com

by murdertron3000 on Sep 8, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Giants Lineup is hilarious

Oh pissing blimey there's jam coming out of the walls!

by TWilliAM on Sep 8, 2011 1:44 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Always get a chuckle

out of reading McCovey Chronicles this second half of the season. The Giants fans lately remind me of us Met fans Aug/Sep 2007. ‘We should be there, we’re the better team…we’re going to blow this, aren’t we?’

by MetsFan4Decades on Sep 8, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Same. Mets fans and Giants fans are basically first cousins in a lot of ways.

I just feel there should be far less angst from their end. Sure, most of their complaints about Sabean/Bochy are valid, but they were no less valid than last year. Same guys. Same bad process. Different results.

Oh pissing blimey there's jam coming out of the walls!

by TWilliAM on Sep 8, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, they're like 4 or 5 games ahead of the Mets

They do not deserve it this year, and got lucky last year (not that I begrudge them, we should all get lucky once in a while).

I did hope they would get the division this year, just because I would like to watch Beltran in the post-season.

by SuperT on Sep 8, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I also think it's cute that they appropriated all of our memes

And came up with a few of their own (“not Wheeler”).

Oh pissing blimey there's jam coming out of the walls!

by TWilliAM on Sep 8, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be fair to Elias

Reyes is in between Type A and B because the rankings equally weight the last two seasons. Reyes’ bad 2010 is holding him back.

The rankings still stink. But that’s why Reyes is on the cusp.

Writer at Beyond the Box Score and The Hardball Times
Pitchf/x enthusiast.

by garik16 on Sep 8, 2011 2:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Madmen_icon_small
Daniel Murphy And Empty Batting Averages
Gary_carter_small
fxcarden's Nightly Rant! - Vol. I, No. 2 (August, 2011)
Small
A projection of the rest of 2012 using two key stats
Gary_carter_small
fxcarden's Nightly Rant! - Vol. I, No. 1 (July, 2011)
159714144_040c6c1501_small
The Greatest Bison: Frank Grant and the Color Line

Recent FanPosts

Img_1435_small
This Week in Mets Quotes
Small
Game Replays
Small
Santana or Sabathia?
Small
Whats to be done with the 'Pen?
Small
What about Oswalt?
61atehunexl__sl500_aa300__small
This Week in Mets' Overreaction

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

FanShots

Quick hits of video, photos, quotes, chats, links and lists that you find around the web.

Recommended FanShots

A WIN METHOD (TM) PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT

These guys are playing hardball. Ok, we must all mobilize, everybody... you do realize, this means WAR!

(Click here to embiggen)
At 5:30 PM EDT today Starting today at 5:00 PM EDT, witness one of the greatest renderings of visual sound effects ever!

UPDATE 1: My browser has crashed several times in the process from all the rants (FUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!) - as a result, there will instead be 4 or 5 separate installments of fxcarden's Nightly Rants! from 2011, with a similar pattern for the 2012 rants. Take my word for it, when I say that it's for the best. Here's the revised schedule:

Volume 1: 2011
No. 1: Today at 5:00 PM EDT
No. 2: Tomorrow
No. 3: Thursday
No. 4 and No. 5 (?) TBD

UPDATE 2: Vol. I, No. 1 (July, 2011) is now up!
beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeautiful colorization of Willie Mays' over-the-shoulder catch. Credit from Beyond the Box Score via Reddit. Embiggen at http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7071/7231074678_3faa94a82b_o.jpg
Frank Francisco is... The Most Interesting Closer In The World embiggen
2013 ALL-STAR GAME(TM) LOGO CONTEST

Major League Baseball has formally announced that Citi Field will be the site of the 2013 All-Star Game. (see video) In light of this, I have decided to launch an All-Star Game logo contest. To help get you started, I provided all of you with a sample All-Star Game logo. (click here to embiggen) If you wish to participate, please enter your submission with an image below, in the comments section. The contest ends on May 31st. I will choose a select number of finalists, and the community will vote on which of those logos is the best one.

Can you create a better logo than the sample logo provided? Then, give it a shot. Good luck to all participants!

Recent FanShots

Quick question regarding ISO
3 "Gap" HRs
Beacon makes it official: No Ottawa EL team in 2013
As Memorial Day Nears, a Single Image Continues to Haunt - New York Times
John Maine signs a minor league deal with the Yankees
Indians Reliever Joe Smith Was Forced To Retreat Because No One Summoned Him From The Bullpen
Marlins looking to trade for outfielder to replace Bonifacio
Ike will not be demoted
Mocking the MLB draft

+ New FanShot All FanShots >

Yahoo_full_count

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Madmen_icon_small
Daniel Murphy And Empty Batting Averages
Gary_carter_small
fxcarden's Nightly Rant! - Vol. I, No. 2 (August, 2011)
Small
A projection of the rest of 2012 using two key stats
Gary_carter_small
fxcarden's Nightly Rant! - Vol. I, No. 1 (July, 2011)
159714144_040c6c1501_small
The Greatest Bison: Frank Grant and the Color Line

Recent FanPosts

Img_1435_small
This Week in Mets Quotes
Small
Game Replays
Small
Santana or Sabathia?
Small
Whats to be done with the 'Pen?
Small
What about Oswalt?
61atehunexl__sl500_aa300__small
This Week in Mets' Overreaction

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >


THE BIG GUY

Aa_avatar_small Eric Simon

THE INCREDIBLES

Blackfish2_small Alex Nelson

Endy_small Rob Castellano

Img_1262_small Matthew Artus

Kanye_pekka_small Sam Page

Best_infield_ever_small James Kannengieser

Metsstitches_small Eno Sarris

48900_1085732804_4466_n_small Chris McShane

Lg_rocker_ap_small Matthew Callan

Billy_and_daddy_4th_of_july_small Bill Petti

THE NEWS GURUS

Mrmet_small Steve Schreiber

3_small Stephen Schmidt

159714144_040c6c1501_small Pack Bringley

124967042_crop_340x234_small Jeffrey Paternostro