The Past Ain't What It Used to Be
Sometimes I wonder what it was like to live through major historic events. Not to have participated in them necessarily, but to merely have lived at that time and have a better sense of what contemporary folks felt and thought and believed. What was it like to live through the Civil War and not have a sad fiddle accompany you everywhere? Or to have landed at Normandy without the benefit of Tom Hanks? The jagged edges of history get filed down so they can fit into textbooks and Hollywood movies, but I'm sure there were details about these eras that would defy our preconceived notions about them. Otherwise, the past would be full of nothing but robots, and I'm pretty sure it's not.
I'll never know about these epochs, but I have lived through at least one major event in American history, one we're marking the anniversary of this Sunday. Ten years might be a long time, and I know I've changed a lot since then, but I like to think my memory is still well intact. That's why I feel I must protest when I read pieces like Ken Rosenthal's at Fox Sports, entitled "Yankees became America's team in 2001." Because it is demonstrably incorrect, and I don't like it when people try to mess with my memories.
To be fair, this assertion did not originate with Rosenthal. He is merely parroting a narrative that is almost as old as 9/11 itself. The Yankees As Post-9/11 Spirit Lifters meme was pushed by the sports press early and often, most notably in the HBO documentary Nine Innings from Ground Zero. The Tenth Inning of Ken Burns' Baseball devoted a sizeable chunk of its airtime to the same subject. As early as October 25, 2001, in the middle of the World Series, The New York Times published an article about how avowed "Yankee haters" were switching their allegiances, if only this once, in deference to our national tragedy. They were far from the only ones to do so.
[The conceit is not the sole provenance of the Yankees, either. You may recall that virtually everyone in the post-9/11 landscape, no matter how tangential they might be to the tragedy, felt that what they were doing was VERY IMPORTANT TO THE HEALING PROCESS. Found on FoxSports.com alongside Rosenthal's article is a post called "Buck's poem helped baseball, America recover," about how a poem the late Jack Buck wrote and read before a Cardinals game "enriched his legacy and inspired a nation." No offense to Mr. Buck or anyone who enjoyed his words, but verse recited almost a thousand miles from any of the attacks "helped America recover"? Really?]
The problem is, most of these articles don't hold water. Scanning them now with a critical eye, one sees that those who claimed they would root for the Yankees post-9/11 tend to be 1) tepid at best in their endorsements, 2) possessing vague or unstated baseball allegiances, and 3) far away from New York. How many of them followed through on their wafer-thin pronouncements to root for the Yankees? How many told a reporter what they thought they should say at the time and did something completely different in the privacy of their own home? These days, even a Times trend piece would demand more firm sourcing.
The October 25 piece cited above, for instance, has few definitive examples of people who actually switched sides. The few it cites are vague, to say the least; all are from a scene at a conference center in Georgia (?) where random strangers of indeterminate origin and rooting interests bring themselves to cheer on the Yankees during the ALCS. This is supposed to suffice for evidence.
Tellingly, the far more concrete examples are the ones providing a counterpoint, like "a devoted Mets fan from Bethpage" who had lost his job due to the terrorist attacks and said "he had taken the admonition from the country's leaders to 'go back to the normalcy of your life.'" In other words, to keep rooting against the Yankees. There are also some profiles of avowed Red Sox fans who would not budge, such as a young man by the name of Bill Simmons, who "writes a sports column from Boston for ESPN.com" and cited Roger Clemens as the main reason why many baseball fans across the country could not bring themselves to cheer for the Yankees.
This is the way I remember it: Yankee fans were lifted by the team's exciting run through the postseason that October/November, especially the dramatic walkoff home runs in games 4 and 5 of the World Series in the Bronx. And if that made these fans feel better and distracted them from the tragedy and horror for a while, fantastic. I wouldn't begrudge anyone in New York at that time taking comfort from whatever source could provide it.
But non-Yankee fans, by and large, looked in with, at best, apathy. The notion that everyone was rooting for them during the playoffs, that the entire country and possibly the world was pulling for the Bronx Bombers, is simply not true. I believe some people hid their hate under a bush, so to speak, afraid that exhibiting too much anti-Yankee sentiment might seem churlish. But non-Yankee fans rooting for them in the postseason and being healed by their triumphs? I did not see this happen in New York, and I doubt it happened elsewhere, either.
To be completely truthful, I don't have much concrete evidence to support my case, either. I simply have what I feel and remember from that time. But what's interesting is that if you look at the actual substance of Rosenthal's article, he doesn't quite go as far as to say the Yankees were really "America's team" that October either. He mentions the sight of pro-Yankee banners in stadiums they visited in the first regular season games immediately after the attacks, and the general loosening of anti-Yankee rhetoric from fans of other teams.
Otherwise, the article largely focuses on what the Yankees' playoff run meant specifically to Yankee fans affected by the tragedy, and how Yankees like David Justice, Scott Brosius, and Mariano Rivera felt some pressure to win for those fans who needed something to cheer for. (Interestingly, even during this dark time, the Specter of Steinbrenner seems to hang over them, insisting they MUST win a World Series OR ELSE.) Rosenthal does insist, "They had provided a needed diversion for New York, rallying the city," but it almost seems a throwaway line at the very end, unsupported by anything that precedes it.
Rosenthal's article is, in fact, not all that different from one by Jon Morosi, published on FoxSports.com the same day, about the Mets' response to 9/11. It talks about Shea Stadium being used as a supply center for the relief effort, and how Bobby Valentine and his players stayed late into the night handing out those supplies to Red Cross workers. It captures the uneasy feeling in the air during that first game back at Shea, at a time when many people thought another attack was imminent. (Wow, imagine what that must have been like.) Morosi spoke at length to Steve Karsay, a Queens native and Braves reliever who, ironically, gave up Mike Piazza's dramatic home run, and discusses the swirling, contradictory emotions he felt on this occasion.
The general tenor of Morosi's piece is that baseball is ultimately unimportant in the face of such tragedy, but sometimes it can at least give us a welcome diversion when we need it the most. The first game at Shea actually came in the middle of a pennant race, with the suddenly surging Mets gaining fast on Atlanta. And yet the Braves players interviewed expressed no remorse about losing the game, least of all Karsay (though he insists he did not groove one to Piazza, almost sounding angry at the suggestion that a major league pitcher would do something like that). The Braves were just happy to be part of something that made some New Yorkers feel better for one night; the fight for the postseason could wait. (And would basically come to an end the next week at Turner Field, where the Mets' dreams usually go to die.)
Morosi does not suggest the whole nation cheered on the Mets that night, or that their stirring win inspired and lifted us all. Neither does the substance of Rosenthal's article regarding the Yankees, really, but it doesn't need to. The context, the larger shell in which the 2001 Yankees exist in our collective memories, says it for him. The story of the Yankees as post-9/11 healers who were cheered by us all has been repeated so often that Rosenthal doesn't provide any evidence to back it up. He doesn't think it necessary to do so. You might as well drum up supporting documents for the theory that water is wet--who's going to argue with you that it isn't?
That's what history does, I suppose. It paints portraits of you wearing clothes you don't quite remember and doing things you're not sure you ever did, because someone decided that EVERYONE wore those clothes and did those things back then, so you must have, too, right? And one day you won't even be around to insist otherwise.
So while it may be a small, semantic, and ultimately meaningless thing to argue about, let this post stand as a note that not everyone cheered for the Yankees or was "lifted" by them post 9/11. Some did, some didn't. Some were "lifted" by seeing them somehow lose that World Series, even when all the ghosts seemed to be on their side. Some managed to deal with their feelings without the aid of baseball at all. Shocking I know, but I hear it can be done.
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I remember smiling and being happy when the Yankees lost that game 7.
and, a conference center in Georgia would probably be a place with Pro-Yankee feelings towards the WS. The Diamondbacks were the ones that eliminated the Braves. I’m sure there was lingering hate from ’96 and ’99, but the ’01 elimination at the hands of an expansion team was fresh.
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I remember being pretty happy about that bloop single.
But, hey, the Cowboys are “America’s Team” too and, frankly, those guys can shove it.
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by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Sep 9, 2011 10:15 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I danced like a madman possessed when the D-Backs won.
Guess I'm not a true 'Merican
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by Cory Braiterman on Sep 9, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Same here. This probably speaks to how sad the past decade plus has been for the Mets but
that was one of my favorite moments in my relatively short span watching baseball. Mariano Rivera choking it away. I can never get enough of this picture:

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by Steve Schreiber on Sep 9, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I can't get enough of this one... but that's just me.

Oh pissing blimey there's jam coming out of the walls!
by TWilliAM on Sep 9, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I am trying to find the needle tracks on his arms
perhaps he shot through his arse.
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by Coolpapabell on Sep 9, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
It says a lot about that photo...
…when the utter awfulness of those D’Backs jerseys is overshadowed by Mariano Rivera’s World Series legacy getting its first notable black mark.
Jagr? Seriously?
by Matthew Artus on Sep 9, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
i did a jig
With a smile from ear to ear
I hate Philadelphia so much.
by the caveman on Sep 9, 2011 12:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Me too
I was studying abroad when this whole thing happened, and I was following baseball or anything that was going on in my home city, on my daily visits to the internet cafe reading the NYtimes.com.
I remember being very happy with the Yankees losing. I was actually pulling for the M’s to take the whole thing. That team was a machine, but somehow pissed down their leg when it mattered most, underscoring how the post season can be some what of a crap shoot.
The world series postgame recaps were insanely exciting to reading and the cherry on top was a Mo Rivera blown save. The whole “The Yankees lifted us from the malaise” meme would have never ended if they had indeed won.
Its funny how the Mike Piazza HR in the first game played after the attacks are being pushed aside in favor of a cleaner easier narative. Its as ifthey are saying “Oh the Yankees went to the World Series, so lets just roll with this”.
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Second semester I studied in Brazil……….its been down hill since that year.
Man that was a good year.
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I remember like it was yesterday
I was studying for some exam and the game was on mute in the lounge. After the Rivera error, I decided to take a break and watch the rest of the game. As soon as the ball left Roidzalez’s bat, I knew it was over. I would’ve danced or shouted (and I do remember hearing someone curse under their breath), but I didn’t want to disturb anyone.
I went back to my apartment to find my roommates ecstatic about the Yankees loss. None of them were baseball fans!
But, apparently, none of this really happened because we were all rooting for the Yankees that fall.
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First, I am a METS fan, I don’t live in NY, and, I lost a family member in the WTC attacks. I also hate the Yankees, I was never so happy as I was the day when the Yankkes lost the WS to the D-Backs. I was high for days, watching Yankees fans complain and whine, it was GREAT !!! I thought that he 9 innings to ground zero was a joke, it only made me angry. The METS where mentioned once, and, only for a few minutes, the show was just a publicty propaganda for the Yankees. How can we, or anybody, get excited about the Yankees winning another ring? WOW, like 25 is not enough? The Yankees are about everything that is wrong in baseball and the world, so, the D-Back beating them was perfect. I also feel that the first game in NY at Shea was the best game I have ever watched. The METS are, the team of the poeple, and, the city. The NY skyline is part of the logo, and, to see that old sign from Shea, above the Shake Shack at CitiField with the ribbon still over the WTC, is a reminder to us all to never forget. I feel that the gane against the BRaves that night, and, the HR that Piazza hit, was proof that we can and will bounce back. For a few tense hours, the fans sat, not knowing what, if anything, would happen. When Piazza hit the ball into the night sky, the fans erupted, as did the city. LETS GO METS!!!
by PiazzaHOF on Sep 9, 2011 11:49 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Yes, this is the thing
You could only write such a story if you don’t know much about New York. Maybe the rest of the country embraced the Yankees (VERY doubtful, but who the fuck knows), but in the CITY, you had a whole ton of people just thrilled that the Yankees lost.
This is America, moving forward, carrying on, hating the Yankees, as any proper American God-fearing person does, and it is as it should be. It’s a person who doesn’t know anything about anything – New York OR the country – who could write a piece proposing anything else.
I'm really revealing myself as a softy here
but to my eyes, many New Yorkers took anything but the “ok, moving on,” attitude. The streets were awash in symbols and symbolic gestures, from heartbreaking “Missing” signs to candle light vigils to flowers and hand-made memorials, many of which were not carted away for literally months. I don’t fault anyone for rooting against the Yankees. But I think that on the contrary many well-meaning and guileless people took the World Series, too, as one symbol among many. And at the time the crass associations we usually have with the Yankees felt beside the point. They did for me. How wide spread was this feeling? I have no idea.
by Pack Bringley on Sep 9, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I did root for the Yanks in the WS
But rooted vehemently against them in the prior two rounds against the A’s and Mariners, so I was 0-3 I guess. I can’t even remember my justification for rooting for them in the Series, but it had little to nothing to do with 9/11. I think I just didn’t want the Diamondbacks to win it all, for whatever reason.
It’s also worth remembering that in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 the Mets were more the story. The Yanks had just about wrapped up a post-season berth, and the Mets were making this amazing comeback. I had just moved to DC from NYC when 9/11 happened (had to evacuate the area that probably was the next target) but was up in NYC the weekend after for my brother’s wedding. This was the weekend of that Braves series. I seem to recall Mad Dog Russo talking about how the Mets story was one that was uplifting and gripping for the moment. And I think, by and large, the Yankees did not become the focal point until after the Mets fell short.
I rooted for them
My state of mind after September 11 was very different than it ever was before or has been since. I was obsessed by the short profiles of victims appearing every day in the Times, and felt a broad, indiscriminate love for New York and New Yorkers. I’ve always been proud to think of New York as a baseball town, and it was clear to me that thousands of people I ride the trains with, buy sandwiches from, etc., were behind their team, the Yankees. I felt a sloppy oneness with all of them. It had nothing to do with jingoism or bandwagoning, it just felt (to me) very natural and decent.
by Pack Bringley on Sep 9, 2011 12:15 PM EDT via iPhone app reply actions
as did i
i have to agree with you on this one jp, i guess i just had a different perspective from matt c. i myself let up on my disdain for the yankees as did many, many mets fans and native new yorkers that i know. i do in fact remember people bustling about the idea of a truly magical ticker tape parade that would celebrate the city and the country, not as much any one team. even just appreciating the poetic words of a veteran, whether he lived in st louis, queens or anchorage. hate to say it but i didn’t agree with much — if anything — from this post.
by Rob Castellano on Sep 11, 2011 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I rooted for them as well
I was in my senior year of college in Richmond, Virgina and it was good to have a temporary positive feeling about what was going on in NY. They represented NY and as corny as it sounds, I think a lot of it had to do with the pervasive feeling of the time that people could set aside their differences which in the grand scheme of things didn’t mean a whole lot.
In the context of baseball history, I do remember a lot of the fans of the sport having Yankees and NY fatigue by 2001 (not due to 9/11 or the WS) but that in general they were weary of the Yankees winning it. If I recall, the Subway Series was one of the lowest rated WS of recent times because people were tied of the Yankees and the Mets weren’t really that beloved a team throughout the rest of the country.
I’ve watched 9 Innings From Ground Zero and one of the scenes that sticks out to me was the slight mention of the Mets game as the first game in NY after the attacks and they had Rudy G at a press conference (another person of whom people had grown tired) cracking a joke that he was so desperate to watch a baseball game that he was lowering his standards and going to the Mets game, even though I know he was joking it still struck me as typical Yankees fan arrogance.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Sep 9, 2011 1:17 PM EDT reply actions
I would root for the Yankees...
…if they played the Al Qaeda baseball team.
Other than that, **** ’em.
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I rooted for the Yankees
partially out of NY loyalty, mostly b/c I really disliked that Diamondbacks team (Randy Johnson was my least favorite player in baseball for a pretty long time). I always figured that if the Yankees couldn’t win that World Series with Mo Rivera on the mound, no team I would ever root for will win a World Series. This still remains true.
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I was the opposite
in that I was really young and loved Randy Johnson a lot for some reason I’m not quite sure (might be Backyard Baseball) and that I wouldn’t have minded either team winning (back then. Now I wouldn’t want the Yanks to win another series)
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They play each other once every four years, there is no rivalry. When they play, I root for the Jets, but other than that I want the Giants to win every game they play.
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I’ve rooted against the Yankees in every game they’ve ever played except for a few weeks in October, 2001.
Also, I generally root for both the Nets and the Knicks, and before the Rex Ryan era I rooted for the Jets unless they were playing the Giants. I’d prefer a NY-based team win, than, say, a Philly or DC based team, unless that team is the Yankees or the Rangers. Yuck.
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I was like the Mets fan from Bethpage
in that I rooted against the Yankees. In fact, I distinctly remember telling my mom at the time, who asked me how I couldn’t root for New York, “If I root for the Yankees, then I’m letting the terrorists win.”
by dontstopbelieving on Sep 9, 2011 1:43 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
I rooted for the Yankees (kinda) before they beat the Mets in the WS.
After all, in 2000, I was only 9 years old. But I know for damn sure the world series they lost to Arizona was the best I’ve ever seen and I was absolutely rooting for the D-backs.
And you know what? It’s fine that they call the yanks the saviors, even if most of them are probably apologists for the Yankees losing in such an unspectacular spectacular fashion. Why? Because the damn Yankees still lost!
Kicking knowledge in the face.
Rooted vehemently agaist the Yankees.
When Gonzalez hit that single I jumped up and down and my father shouted in glee. My mother came into the room and asked why we were rooting against a NY team and we both said basically “they’re not a NY team; they’re the Yankees.”
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Something I kind of hate is that, since the Mets didn't make it to the playoffs that year, they kind of get forgotten
I’m sure the Yankees did nice things too, but when you think about 9/11 and baseball, the first things that should pop into anyone’s head are Bobby V and various other players loading the trucks with supplies for the rescue workers, the FDNY/NYPD/PAPD/Emergency Services hats the Mets wore, and September 21 (the Mets-Braves game at Shea). More so than Yankees, the Mets represented the city, the down-and-out-but-not-done “grit” that defined the city in the aftermath, and all that stuff.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Sep 9, 2011 2:31 PM EDT reply actions
Also, I guess I'm in the minority, but I think it would have been better for the Yankees to have won
At the time, I rooted against them, and was so happy when they lost- I remember exactly where I was when Gonzalez hit that single, the music they played, and calling my grandma late at night to “rub it in”. Since then, though, I think it would have been more poetic for the New York team to have won, even if they were the Yankees.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Sep 9, 2011 2:34 PM EDT reply actions
I recall rooting pretty hard against the Yankees
I couldn’t take all the articles that stated a world series win would heal Ny and that everyone was rooting for them., I recall Mike Lupica writing that the Yankees deserve a parade even though they didn’t win it all, and that they uplifted Ny.
by graves9 on Sep 9, 2011 3:16 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I think mostly what we learn from the whole episode
is how inane sports writers can be.
Whenever Mike Lupica says we should do something
the exact opposite is probably the right choice.
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by Thaddeus Ballpheasant on Sep 10, 2011 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I agree, this is a crappy and false storyline.
I was in lower Manhattan on Sept. 11 2001 (not that my life was ever in danger) and this in no way changed my baseball allegiances — I rooted ardently against the Yankees in 2001. While the Mets were still on the fringes of the race I did sort of think about, and pull for, a subway Series as a kind of poetic justice for that fall, but that’s not the same as rooting for the Yankees, an act which I would never condone. Gonzo’s Game 7 single made me scream and jump for joy.
Late to post, but I didn't root for the Yankees.
Short of al-Qaeda forming a baseball team, I don’t see any circumstances under which I can. I was away at college, and everyone on campus seemed to assume I was pulling for them, simply because ’they’re from New York, too’.
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by BobbyV_Incognito on Sep 10, 2011 4:36 PM EDT reply actions
In DC's 9-11 Tribute Book (free for digital down load)
there is an interesting and apropos shot story about just this. It’s called “National Pastime”.
Link.
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