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Astros Claim Fernando Martinez Off Waivers

The Astros have claimed former top prospect Fernando Martinez from the Mets off of waivers. Being irrevocable waivers the Mets cannot pull Martinez back, so wave goodbye because FMart is now officially an Astro.

Apparently that monster shot in Houston back in May -- one of his only bright spots of 2011 -- was a sign.

The question though is whether or not it was also a sign of things to come. It's cliche at this point but I must point out that he's only 23 years old and he does still have some value. Maybe not as a starter, but even in his sub-par showing in Buffalo last season he batted .291/.362/.475 against righties, knocking seven homers in just 158 ab's against them. He's always hit righties and his power is one aspect of his game that has developed as planned. And for a team like Houston who has nothing but at bats to give away to young projects, who knows?

Now it's debatable whether or not Sandy should or even could have made space for the one-time hitting phenom. But honestly, this day was inevitable. Whether or not Martinez ever delivers on the promise that so many had for him as a teenager, it had become patently clear that that would not occur with the Mets.

Once pushed too far, too fast, Martinez spent the last few seasons getting way too familiar with Western New York. He got his shot(s) and nothing happened. Prospects not named Martinez took his place atop rankings. And players who aren't him are the current potential right fielders of the future. His biggest advocates are now strewn about baseball in various locations, all very far from here and in their place a regime that was clearly not impressed.

So the question remains, will those of us who wistfully keep an eye on him be seeing more of those yanked shots down the right field line at Minutemaid? Does this Change of Scenery now clear the way for Martinez to put the years of injuries and disappointment behind him and regain at least some of his former status as a young hitter to be feared? Again, who knows (the looming specter of a vacant DH role in Houston certainly doesn't hurt though).

What I do know is that teenage me, the one that was lucky enough to be there the day teenage Fernando took his first BP at Shea, the one that marveled at a kid who was no bigger than me roping balls left and right and the one who placed a whole lot of hope into this phenom wearing a too-big number one on his back that afternoon, is pretty sad today.

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And what does it say

that F! was removed to protect those such as DJ?
This can’t possible be all about the money DJ is owed so the Mets brass must know a bit more about F!‘s chances at this point than we do. What they know must therefore = ’your ship has sailed from NY, son’.

Hindsight being 20/20…oh what we could have gotten for him on the trade market back when.

by MetsFan4Decades on Jan 11, 2012 4:37 PM EST reply actions  

I maintain that
He’s always hit righties and his power is one aspect of his game that has developed as planned. And for a team like Houston who has nothing but at bats to give away to young projects, who knows?

We are in the position to give young players at bats too. The Mets aren’t shaping up to be competetive this year. While we’re not going to be the joke the Astros are, I’d rather keep a guy like F-Mart then drop him for nothing.

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by Rey-O on Jan 11, 2012 4:39 PM EST reply actions  

Agreed.

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by Ogre39666 on Jan 11, 2012 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

What puzzles me is:

If the Mets thought so little of him that he merited being DFA’d, why not at least try to trade him to get some value? Now, I suppose it’s possible that a team trading for him might want to see the Mets’ medical reports about his various maladies (which might be one of the main reasons the Mets think he’s not worth keeping around), and so that might devalue him significantly – but if the very first team with a shot at him snapped him up, you have to think he would have returned some value in a trade, even just minor league depth. That’s what makes DFA-ing him rather puzzling.

I’d analogize, actually, to Kazmir-for-Zambrano — the Mets were, in fact, ultimately right that Kazmir’s arm would eventually break down, but that didn’t mean he didn’t have value at the time. Obviously Martinez is nowhere near a top prospect now, but if we were going to drop him for nothing, why not at least dangle him?

by dontstopbelieving on Jan 11, 2012 4:44 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

This

We let him go for nothing, and he’s only 23. The team has been signing a lot of other teams’ flameouts (Baxter, Quintanilla, Loewen) who are all older than F! and don’t have his upside. Arthritic knees being what they are, I can’t believe there was no remaining value for a 23 year old corner OF who has already shown some pop. This is a team where he could still contribute and be valuable if he stayed healthy as well. I think it was too young to give up on him. I’m not oblivious and think he can still be a superstar, but a 4th OF who can mash rigthies isn’t out of the question.

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by MetsCity on Jan 11, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

He can't play the OF anymore though

His knees won’t let him. It was time for a change of scenery for the kid. There was no future for him here. Even when he was rumored to be on the trading block, it didn’t seem as if the Mets could gauge any sort of appreciable interest in him.

I hope he can get it all together in Houston and be a good major leaguer.

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by piazza62 on Jan 11, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I am sorry

but I believe it is clear that Change of Scenery™ is clearly a trademarked term and must be capitalized and marked as such

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by brooklynberger on Jan 11, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, agreed

Getting nothing in return for him just seems like pure bad management to me. This is one of those little things that Alderson was supposed to be great at, right?

by anonymous on Jan 11, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree although

I would assume that they did dangle him at some point this offseason and probably realized they just couldn’t get anything back for him. I’d guess that teams wouldn’t want to give up anything for a player who, let’s face it, is damaged goods at this point. However, when he becomes available essentially for the price of a 40 man spot and the big league minimum, that allows teams to take the gamble, like the Astros did.

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by Steve Schreiber on Jan 11, 2012 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

I have to believe they tried to trade him before they put him on waivers.

by EricAColucci on Jan 11, 2012 8:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, that's a pretty likely scenario.

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by BobbyV_Incognito on Jan 11, 2012 9:41 PM EST up reply actions  

F-mart has big-time arthritis in both his knees.With his physical condition in a degenerative state

he was useless to the Mets and possibly holding another player back who can help us down the road.This is why Sandy is here, to make decisions for the future of this franchise.

by Putnan Prince on Jan 16, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

C'mon now

I’ve heard a bunch of people make this argument and it’s a little silly.

Sandy Alderson managed to turn a few months of Carlos Betran into Zach Wheeler. Don’t you think it occurred to him to try and get something for F! before DFAing him?

by Gary From The East End on Jan 11, 2012 8:40 PM EST up reply actions  

this

what would you actually give up for F!? I bet someone along the lines of sean kazmar or other useless AAA fill ins. who cares? he is gone, good riddance

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by astromets on Jan 11, 2012 11:36 PM EST up reply actions  

amen

move along folks, nothing more to see here

Hoping the Wilpons become the Will-pawns

by exbrooklynite on Jan 11, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

So we're just to assume everything Sandy does is golden?

I’m confident in him, but this was not a good move, and I’ve been thoroughly unimpressed this whole off-season.

by GilbertP on Jan 12, 2012 6:09 AM EST up reply actions  

That isn't the point.

“This is not a good move” in comparison with a hypothetical (trading him) that there’s no evidence that Alderson didn’t attempt. My parents getting me a pony was not a good move because I had a unicorn in mind.

by Kepler on Jan 12, 2012 8:23 AM EST up reply actions  

In comparison with just holding on to him and

DFA’ing Carrasco or someone, this wasn’t a good move either.

by GilbertP on Jan 15, 2012 9:07 AM EST up reply actions  

This has been said a few times, though not enough

But the guy has a degenerative condition. This goes above-and-beyond dumping an injury prone former prospect. I’m pretty sure the Mets analyzed his condition pretty extensively before making this decision. If the Mets felt he could even play a corner outfield position efficiently enough, he would’ve been kept on the 40-man. This is just an indictment of how unhealthy this guy is and is going to be in the future.

I understand criticizing this move if you’re talking about outfield depth, but people on other boards are talking about him like he’s suddenly going to find new knees and become healthy. He’s never even played 100 games in any season in his entire career. It bothers me more that he’s just another Mets outfield prospect that failed here, more than the move itself.

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by MattT516 on Jan 11, 2012 4:56 PM EST reply actions  

Mets fans are understandably sensitive about that diagnosis

As “don’tstopbelieving” recalled above, we heard for a while how Kazmir could never become a regular because his arms simply wouldn’t let him. Even if his arm gave way, there were still valuable innings to have out of it. It’s just always tough to get rid of a top prospect…whether or not F-Mart ever succeeds, there will always be some remorse over him.

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by Rey-O on Jan 11, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't really see the Kazmir comp lining up to Fernando's situation, though.

Sure there was a risk that Kazmir could have arm problems down the line but at that point, it was only risk and not a tangible injury. As far as I remember, the guy was as healthy as an ox his entire Mets minor league tenure and his trade value was sky high in 2004. Fernando, meanwhile, is not only a risk to get injured…he’s already been injured. Every single year since he was signed. And he’s got a legitimate, tangible degenerative knee condition that’s pillaged his ability to run.

I just don’t see how you’re drawing that connection…it doesn’t really line up at all to me.

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by Steve Schreiber on Jan 11, 2012 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

From my perspective

I agree with most of what you said here and I don’t doubt that the Met did their due diligence in terms of evaluating his condition and its impact on his ability to contribute to the team in any way. The only question for me is whether he could have returned value in a trade to a team willing to take a chance on him. I’m not pretending that he could have returned anything resembling a top-quality prospect, but maybe a spare part. I suppose it’s possible that the Mets concluded he’d simply fail any physical he’d have to take as part of a trade so it wasn’t even worth the trouble, but that’s all speculation.

by dontstopbelieving on Jan 11, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

We don't know that he wasn't offered in trade.

The FO isn’t the leaky sieve it used to be, and info like that doesn’t always see the light of day.

I too, think there is other roster fodder I would have exposed to the waiver wire ahead of F!, but really saying that the FO gave him up for nothing without trying to trade him is just speculation at this point.

by SoCal Metfan on Jan 11, 2012 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Besides the lack of leaks,

the FO knew all season that there’d be this crunch for spots on the 40; the idea that they wouldn’t have explored trade options, especially for someone like Fernando, is pretty unrealistic.

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by BobbyV_Incognito on Jan 11, 2012 9:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Press

It was already leaked 3-4 weeks ago that F-Mart was on the chopping block. Even if the Mets weren´t actively shopping him, potentially interested teams would certainly have been able to make an offer.

Also, HOU has a far worse 40-man roster than the Mets – even if the NY media seems to portray both franchises in a similar light talent wise – which really isn´t warranted. The Astros have room for Rhiner Cruz and they probably would have room for Brad Holt, Jefrey Marte or Collin McHugh too on their 40-man roster – even if they didn´t select more in the Rule V. But like in F-Mart´s case, this isn´t a situation where someone has to remain on the 25-man roster.

by Doob on Jan 12, 2012 12:51 AM EST up reply actions  

To some extent he does

He’s out of options this season, so if he’s not on the 25 he has to go on waivers yet again

by Stephen Schmidt on Jan 12, 2012 9:36 AM EST up reply actions  

This.

2009 didn’t count as his first option year because he was in the minors less than 20 days after being added to the 40 man roster.

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by Steve Schreiber on Jan 12, 2012 8:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Fernando Martinez

Will be a successful DH for the Astros and a one-time All-Star. You heard it here first.

In all seriousness, couldn’t F! have been traded to, I don’t know, anywhere? Just for the bag of balls? WHERE ARE THE BALLS, SANDY?

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by Terry_is_God on Jan 11, 2012 5:20 PM EST reply actions  

I hope he does be successful

I don’t understand the contingency of fans that want to see a kid living out his dreams become a total abject failure for any team except theirs.

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by piazza62 on Jan 11, 2012 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Trust me, I would do terrible things for my prediction to come true

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by Terry_is_God on Jan 11, 2012 6:20 PM EST up reply actions  

F!, Millege, Reece, Ike

The four best Mets non-pitching prospects in recent years. At this point it looks like only one of them will be a good major leaguer, and even that is in question after last year’s injury.

Is this an unusually bad record, or just par for the course?

by WT Economist on Jan 11, 2012 6:24 PM EST reply actions  

I believe that is par. Lots of highly touted guys are busts are get hurt.

you also have guys that surprise on the upside (Niese, Ike to an extent, maybe-hopefully Duda).

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by brooklynberger on Jan 11, 2012 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Might be a tad below par, but not so low to be outrageous or anything.

Propsects are always gambles, but the systems recent results have been hitting 00 on the roulette wheel quite a bit.

by SoCal Metfan on Jan 11, 2012 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

That being said, lets not forget that non-"prospects"

like Rubes, Murphy, Duda and Dillon Gee are kinda sorta “wins” as viable, if not great MLB players.

by SoCal Metfan on Jan 11, 2012 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I mean especially Duda in the "coming out of nowhere" way

but since you asked, career wOBAs:
Duda—.352
Murphy—.338

It’s a pretty small sample for Duda, but he was a better hitter than Murph’s career line. Obviously he’s a bad defender in the outfield, and if Murph can actually play 2B he’ll probably be more valuable, but right now I don’t really see how you can say Murphy is better.

by EricAColucci on Jan 12, 2012 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I think something like 80% of prospects fail.

So even if F! and Heavens never become anything, 1 out of 4 ain’t bad.

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by Ogre39666 on Jan 11, 2012 8:00 PM EST up reply actions  

why aren't you mentioning jonathon malo?

Jerry said he was going to be great!!

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by astromets on Jan 11, 2012 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Omar was really high on Duda back in 08

and he turned out good

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by astromets on Jan 11, 2012 11:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I wish Fernando the best of luck.

I can’t imagine what it feels like to be 23 years old and feel like one’s chosen career might be over. Not to mention chronic injuries and pain are nothing to scoff at.

Maybe the barely quad-A Astros give F! a few PAs, and he does something with ’em.

by BurleighGrimes on Jan 11, 2012 7:16 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, brutal

For nearly a decade, a third of his life, he’s been going to be a big star. The whole development of his adult self has been premised on that. Now he’s not going to be what everyone in his world counted on him being.

by SuperT on Jan 11, 2012 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

eh.....

for 2.5 decades, nearly half my life, I’ve been waiting for the Mets to win, and all I have to show for it is Timo Perez jogging around the bases, and Beltran looking at strike three.

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on Jan 11, 2012 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

And

Kenny F. Rogers

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Ralph Kiner: Well the script should be the Mets win every day.

by StorkFan on Jan 11, 2012 10:27 PM EST up reply actions  

ftfy

F kenny rogers

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by astromets on Jan 12, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

i was at that game in atlanta.

i…god..words/memes cant express my frustration that day

I hate Philadelphia so much.

by the caveman on Jan 12, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

By this point I really didn't expect Fernando to develop into much

but it still really hurts to lose him for some reason. He’s been hurt and underperforming expectations for awhile, but he was our guy for such a long time.

by EricAColucci on Jan 11, 2012 9:19 PM EST reply actions  

Sadness

I think he might have been the longest tenured Met, lol

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 11, 2012 10:09 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I am pretty sure Thole out tenures him

and Wright out tenures them both

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by astromets on Jan 11, 2012 11:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the only reason we're all sad is

cuz we all preferred it when the Mets were winning, and F! was our superstar of the future. :(

by BurleighGrimes on Jan 11, 2012 11:24 PM EST reply actions  

ahhhh

memories!

Hoping the Wilpons become the Will-pawns

by exbrooklynite on Jan 11, 2012 11:36 PM EST up reply actions  

none of that rings a bell

I believe in one Dickey, Maker of knuckles and balls

by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Jan 12, 2012 6:59 AM EST up reply actions  

should I be upset or sad?

cause all I feel is relief that I never have to hear bout him again, see him called up to rot on the bench again, or have him waste a roster spot.

BTW – WTF is Armando Rodriguez doing on the 40 man roster, and why has he been on it so long? Aside from being a meh high-A pitcher in 2011, who the fuck is this guy?

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by astromets on Jan 11, 2012 11:34 PM EST reply actions  

Armando R.

Well, here´s a link of a pretty long and not all too encouraging scouting report:
http://scoutingthesally.com/armando-rodriguez-new-york-mets-baseball-prospect-scouting-report-video/

That said, Rodriguez has averaged 9.0+ strikeouts per 9 innings throughout his minor league career so far so apparently he does have the ability to miss bats on a regular basis – at least in A-ball. While his 89-92 mph fastball isn´t overpowering, maybe his listed 250 pound frame can help him in that regard to have more deception. Baseball America rated him as the # 24 prospect in the system prior to 2011. John Sickels had him as the # 14 prospect prior to 2011 but he failed to make his top 20 this winter.

Arm-Rod figures to open 2012 in the Double A Binghamton rotation along with Wheeler, Harvey and Gorski. The key for him going forward (besides health, of course) probably is the quality of his secondary pitches and whether his fastball will be harder in shorter stints out of the bullpen since that´s probably his projected role longterm.

by Doob on Jan 12, 2012 1:13 AM EST up reply actions  

crawfish boxes

It’s fun reading the hopeful comments over at the sports nation Astros blog. Apparently the ‘stros didn’t get much info on his medical history, since he wasn’t a free agent (per quotation of Astros gm). I keep forgetting they are AL bound and perhaps F-Mercado can become a DH. Someone at crawfish boxes said only Brett Wallace should be his comp for that spot. Speaking of “busted” prospects.

by wobatus on Jan 12, 2012 2:05 PM EST reply actions  

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