Projecting Lucas Duda 2012: defense, defense,defense.....
As the football season nears its end, baseball fans start the projection season. Many of the Met fans I have spoken to pin their hopes for a respectable year in 2012, on a big year from Lucas Duda. Let's try to project what value Lucas Duda will bring to the Mets next season. Luckily, we don't have to blindly guess what Duda will accomplish in 2012, as we have the use of projection systems.
There are three popular projection systems available freely on the web that I have used for this task: ZIPS by Dan Szymborski available at the baseball think factory; Bill James projections available on fangraphs; and CAIRO, available at the replacement level Yankees weblog. However, no projection system will project fielding runs. So for starters, let's take a look at the projected WAR for Lucas Duda in 2012 excluding any changes for fielding runs.
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Column1 |
wOBA |
wRAA* |
Pos* |
Rep* |
Field |
WAR |
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Bill James |
0.365 |
25.56522 |
-6.9 |
20 |
3.866522 |
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ZIPS* |
0.307 |
-4.69565 |
-6.9 |
20 |
0.840435 |
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Cairo |
0.335 |
9.913043 |
-6.9 |
20 |
2.301304 |
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*Notes: While Cairo and Bill James project wOBA, Zips does not. Any mistakes in calculations are all mine. Zips also deos not project HBP and RBOE. HBP was just averaged of Duda's HBP/year. RBOE is not charted by fangraphs and was left out of this calculation. Also, not all projection systems predict a full season from Duda. While I have used their wOBA values, I have used a base of 150 games played and 600 PA for wRAA, POS, and REP values.
Obviously, there is a huge variance in projected wOBA between these systems, with Bill James unsurprisingly the most optimistic and CAIRO coming in almost exactly at the midpoint between the other two. (in fact, I probably should have set up the table in either ascending or descending order with CAIRO in the middle, but CAIRO was the last to publish their numbers.) So if we assume ZIPS as the least we can expect from Duda in 2012 and James as the upper limit of reasonable expectations, we can take CAIRO as the average projection for Duda. The resulting WAR is less than inspiring. While not bad, a WAR a smidgen over 2.0 is roughly an average MLB player. While 2 WAR for the minimum salary is a nice return in value for a cash strapped team, it's not enough to make up for the loss of Beltran. However, we are trying to be optimistic here, so let's for a moment assume Duda can hit like Bill James thinks he can. Now we are closer to 4 WAR territory, which is all-star level. All of a sudden the Mets will have found a young star for the future. Sounds great, right?
Unfortunately, we are forgetting defensive runs here and that WAR number is probably going to come down when you add in those defensive runs. Last year was an abysmal one for Duda in RF. UZR did not like him at all, and while it normally takes three years for UZR scores to normalize, those that saw him playing the outfield all agreed he looked terrible. There is some hope that with a full off season to work on playing RF, a position he had limited playing time at before last year (16 games at Buffalo, 7 at St. Lucie, and one each at Binghamton and Brooklyn) some improvements will be seen. Last year, UZR had Duda as being worth -11.8 runs as a RF, in only 355 innings. His UZR/150 was an abysmal -43.2 runs. We can safely assume that if he is fielding at these levels, Duda won't get enough playing time to actually hit the level of -43.2. Over the last five years, 84 players had over 100 games played (900 innings) in RF. None had an actual UZR of less than or equal to -40. Only six had a UZR of less than -20. The median was at +0.5 runs. Can Duda be better than the median? It is hard to see that from someone whom Kevin Goldstein famously had this to say about in December 2010 "he has the range of a lawn ornament and a poor arm". Let's use the median than as his ceiling, and the basement as the -20 level. So I expect his UZR to fall somewhere between 0.5 and -20. The updated WAR chart then looks like this.
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Column1 |
Column2 |
Column3 |
Column4 |
Column5 |
Column6 |
Column7 |
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wOBA |
wRAA |
Pos |
Rep |
Field |
WAR |
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Bill James |
0.365 |
25.5652 |
-6.9 |
20 |
0.5 |
3.91652 |
|
0.365 |
25.5652 |
-6.9 |
20 |
-5 |
3.36652 |
|
|
0.365 |
25.5652 |
-6.9 |
20 |
-10 |
2.86652 |
|
|
0.365 |
25.5652 |
-6.9 |
20 |
-15 |
2.36652 |
|
|
0.365 |
25.5652 |
-6.9 |
20 |
-20 |
1.86652 |
|
|
ZIPS |
0.307 |
-4.6957 |
-6.9 |
20 |
0.5 |
0.89043 |
|
0.307 |
-4.6957 |
-6.9 |
20 |
-5 |
0.34043 |
|
|
0.307 |
-4.6957 |
-6.9 |
20 |
-10 |
-0.1596 |
|
|
0.307 |
-4.6957 |
-6.9 |
20 |
-15 |
-0.6596 |
|
|
0.307 |
-4.6957 |
-6.9 |
20 |
-20 |
-1.1596 |
|
|
Cairo |
0.335 |
9.91304 |
-6.9 |
20 |
0.5 |
2.3513 |
|
0.335 |
9.91304 |
-6.9 |
20 |
-5 |
1.8013 |
|
|
0.335 |
9.91304 |
-6.9 |
20 |
-10 |
1.3013 |
|
|
0.335 |
9.91304 |
-6.9 |
20 |
-15 |
0.8013 |
|
|
0.335 |
9.91304 |
-6.9 |
20 |
-20 |
0.3013 |
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So if Lucas Duda can hit like the most optimistic projections have him hitting, as long as his defensive runs are above -20 he should be fine. Anything closer to the median is gravy. If he hits like the most pessimistic of projections have him hitting, it's going to be a long year for Mets fans. Even if Duda manages to improve his fielding to the level above, he's still worth less than 1 WAR. Finally, if you use the projections laid out by CAIRO, you see where Duda's defense will be key. In order to be an average MLB starter he will need to improve his defense and bring his UZR as close to positive digits as possible. Given what we saw from him last year, that seems like a tall order.
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This is why I don't like the Dude as much as some of you guys do
But I do like his bat slightly more than CAIRO’s projections
Defensive Projections in CAIRO
I do have defensive projections in CAIRO, although I don’t have a ton of faith in them.
For Duda I’ve got him as projected as -7 in DRS, -11 in UZR, average in TotalZone and -9 in zone rating over 335 innings in RF, an average of -7, which woudl make him something like -28/150 over a full season.
Well, maybe with Torres out in CF Duda will only have to play half of RF
Does it work like that? Lol, I love the kid’s bat a ton, but he just looked lost out there. I hope he can improve out there with Torres and the cozier RF, but I don’t think he could ever hope to be a scratch defender.
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This won't end until they play in the AL, will it?
I’m still having a hard time getting used to your never-ending meme. “To the AL with their asses!” Can you at least wait until the end of April to do this? There’s a VERY good chance they’ll be playing in the NL this season.
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Tell me what is going to change with their defense?
by Putnan Prince on Jan 20, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
They'll be more experienced, and thus, better.
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Jan 20, 2012 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
Experience can make you worse through total loss of confidence.Think back to Murph's outfield
play where he got worse with time.A few years ago he was our starting LF coming out of Spring Training.Unfortunately Murph lost the ability to judge a fly ball,catch a line drive or hit the cut-off man once he got his chance in the line-up.Duda’s ?? is he athletic enough to improve defensively?
by Putnan Prince on Jan 20, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
They're more likely to play better than worse.
These guys are professional athletes; I’m sure that at some point in their careers, they’ve experienced failure.
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Jan 21, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
Hmm...
I can see you having a case for Duda, since he was awkward looking in RF, and at best decent at 1B. But Murphy, on the other hand, was actually pretty decent at 3B, and was even above average defensively at 1B. So I don’t really see how he’s relegated to the DH spot as you say. And we still have to see how he handles everyday reps at 2B.
You always root for laundry. Of course, you'd like to have good players in that laundry as well.
Murphy looked like he was afraid of the ball at third looking like the guy on the Heisman trophy but he
might be as good as David who was frightening last year.
by Putnan Prince on Jan 20, 2012 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sure he's much better than you think,
seeing as he’s a natural 3B.
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Jan 20, 2012 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry.Murph isn't a natural at any position.
by Putnan Prince on Jan 20, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
He has played very solid defense at first and looked fine at third
He was also adequate at second base last year . I wish you’d have an open mind when it comes to Murphy and the second base experiment. No reason to give up on it because of a cheap shot two years ago and a freak injury last year.
He had the 2nd-best UZR/150 among NL 1Bs in 2009.
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Jan 21, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
He certainly added to errors on throws from David and Jose' by his inability to consistently
come up with throws in the dirt.1B is usually a power position manned by someone who can drive runs in.
Murph does not fit the bill.
by Putnan Prince on Jan 21, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Doesn't have to be, though.
Like you said…usually. Usually doesn’t mean always. John Olerud wasn’t a power hitter. Keith Hernandez wasn’t a power hitter.
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by Steve Schreiber on Jan 21, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Both John and Keith both drove runs home and were capable of 100 RBI's.Don't see Murph
near these 2 guys although he can hit.
by Putnan Prince on Jan 21, 2012 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
Keith drove in 100 once.
Olerud drove in 100 four times but didn’t the first time until his fourth full season in the majors.
Not that RBIs mean much anyway. And the “first baseman must bat fourth/second baseman must bat second” is a stupid, old-school meme that we typically rail against here anyway.
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by Steve Schreiber on Jan 21, 2012 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
And, if he had Ted Williams, John McGraw, and Lou Gehrig batting in front of him
Rey Ordonez would be capable of 100 RBIs.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 23, 2012 7:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, maybe not John McGraw.
Wee Willie Keeler or Dan Brouthers, maybe.
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John McGraw is third all time in OBP
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 24, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
He's quite an underrated player and might have been the best 3B of the 1890's
He had the misfortune of playing for a franchise that everyone forgot about a century ago.
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Prove it.
Prove to us that he was responsible for errors fielding throws at 1B, and that he cannot consistently come up with low throws. Otherwise, cut this bullshit out.
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by BobbyV_Incognito on Jan 21, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
What proof?
All you need to know is that he’s Daniel Murphy, Professional Butcher™.
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Yeah Murph is a good 1b
He didn’t play a ton at either 3b or 2b, so its harder to judge him there…but I don’t think he embarrassed himself at either position.
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The threshold for Duda is -10 runs, based on the positional adjustments
RF: -7.5 runs
DH: -17.5 runs
If somehow he moved to 1B, then it would be -5 runs.
He can still play RF for us even with worse than -10 runs, but then he would have less value for us than for other teams who could use him as 1B/DH. The -10 runs is accounting for whatever improvement as he gets used to the position and for a larger sample of data.
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Can see it now.Short fly ball to right-Duda lumbering in-Murphy limping out-ball might drop-Duda,Murphy-
Murphy, Duda-IDuda calls,Murphy calls—- SPLAT!
by Putnan Prince on Jan 20, 2012 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
Jesus, do you always have to be such a pessimist?
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Jan 21, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
With what the Wilponzies have done to the Mets it's impossible to be any where near being
optomistic in any way this season.Don’t know about you but I am freakin’ frustrated about turning into the
Kansas City Royals and with the crap they’re putting out on the field this season it’s frightening.
by Putnan Prince on Jan 21, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
I hope the Mets DO turn into the KC Royals
at least the Royals of today. They have a ridiculously strong farm system and a lot of young, up-and-coming stars impressing at the big league level in Hosmer, Gordon, Moustakas, Perez and more. I’m sick of the general belief that the Mets must by all means operate like a vaunted “big market” club during these rebuilding years in order to be successful.
These comments you insist on making are in the Metsie-Bayonne territory of LOLMetsitude.
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by piazza62 on Jan 21, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
They shouldn't be losing franchise players that are in their prime because they can't afford them
and while I’m not saying they should have a payroll of 200 million they should never have a payroll under 100 million.
Well, we wouldn't want them to
but there’s no doctrine that say the Mets should never have a payroll below a certain threshold. When I advocate the Mets running the team like a so-called “small market” club in the rebuilding years, I say this with the assumption that they can switch back into “big market mode” and be able to resign/extend their players and supplement the club with high-quality free agents/trades when the situation calls for it.
I still don’t get the subject line though, or at least why it was pluralized. That has happened one time, and I’m not sure Alderson would be perfectly willing to sign a player with such a checkered injury history and inconsistent performances over the past three years to a long term deal, especially when he’s said years were the hangup moreso than cash.
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by piazza62 on Jan 21, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I said players because Wright will likely on the way out soon enough too.
If he turns his career around and becomes an elite player again he’ll be on the move partly because the Mets won’t be able to afford to re-sign him. As far as Reyes we’ll never know how Sandy would have handled the whole negotiations with Reyes if he had the money to re-sign him.
Maybe I am drinking the happy juice
But I actually think that if Wright gets back to being that elite player, that the Mets will keep him (barring an insane trade offer).
They don’t have much of any financial commitments beyond 2013, so they’d have money freed up, and I could see Wright being the type to sign an extension that might be less than he could get on the FA market (unless he finally gets sick of being here). And also if he really is tearing it up, the Mets might choose to avoid the bad PR/fan response that would occur if they traded him.
However, getting off of the happy juice…the problem is, at this point I’m not confident that DW will get back to that player he used to be. He looked horrendous last yr, and while I think he’ll probably do better than that, I don’t expect him to bounce all the way back. So if he’s just good and not great, the Mets will probably have some questions as to how badly they want to sign him long term and the backlash of trading him won’t be as great. And even just a good Wright would probably have solid trade value for a team needing a bat down the stretch,
I'm not convinced that Wright gets traded, either
You and me are in the extreme minority. He’s apparently already been traded, so…
But, then again, the Jets already won the Superbowl this year, and that didn’t work out too well for them.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 23, 2012 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm not convinced either
There hasn’t been any talk, leaks, or even whispers from the organization about a possible trade. Most of it is writers piggybacking off of each other’s speculation and nonsense.
As of now, I haven’t seen anything, no matter how hard I squint, that suggests the Mets are looking to trade him. The financial situation will likely be different in some capacity as he nears free agency.
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It could just be that I am still in the denial phase
and most everyone else has moved beyond that point by now.
I guess I wouldnt be surprised if it happens, but at this point I’m not willing to accept that it will.
And despite the ridiculousness of the Wilpon’s in general and the whole “not a superstar” thing…they do seem to like Wright, so I don’t see them being desperate to push him out the door. Of course if they really need to cut the payroll even more, he’s probably gone, but I’ve convinced myself that they really want to keep him if they can.
confident our homegrown player will not get traded and stay in NY for less money
where have I heard this before?
2012 New York Mets, World Series Champions!
David Wright grew up a Mets fan
If he’s moved on, so be it, and good for him. But he may still have some love in there and maybe it’ll make a difference. Whether or not that means he won’t move on (or the team won’t move on) remains to be seen, but I refuse to be pessimistic when it comes to Wright’s long term future with the Mets.
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Yeah even this past yr with all the crap going on
it still was said that he felt super loyal to the Mets. Martino had a story towards the end of the season from “Mets sources” saying Wright was upset by the trade rumors and really wants to stay…so hopefully that’s still true. (Not that I want him to upset, but the idea that he doesn’t want to be traded is good)
I do think he’s sincere when he says he wants to win here/doesn’t want to jump ship, isn’t concerned about making every last dollar he can…so maybe he would take less than he could get on the open market to stay here. But if the team doesn’t have a realistic chance of winning, (or maybe if he keeps hearing the trade rumors eventually he might start to think the team doesnt want him) well then even he might be ready to move on.
Less Money
We still don’t know if Reyes would’ve took less because he was never actually offered a contract by the Mets. There was an “estimate” or a “ball park figure” but there was never an actual contract offered to him. So, that question still lingers out there.
Not to mention, for this year and next, he actually did take less money annually to play with the Marlins. The contract doesn’t actually pay him more than he made this year until the 3rd year.
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I can guarantee you that Reyes would not have accepted
a contract from the Mets that called for him to make $10 million dollars in 2012 and 2013, a paycut from what he was making with us in 2011 ($11 million).
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 25, 2012 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
I am inclined to agree with you
but we don’t really know, do we.
One day, this team is going to kill me.
That's really my point
You always root for laundry. Of course, you'd like to have good players in that laundry as well.
If they can't afford to keep him around, and money is the only concern
I imagine he would have been traded already. He has two years left on his contract, and I’d like to think by that point in time, if he returns to form, that they would have the money to resign him. I also can’t imagine him getting a deal close to Reyes’, as he would be 31 years old (if he isn’t traded) and plays a less valuable position.
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Don't forget that Wright's option for 2013 is voided if he gets traded this year.
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by BobbyV_Incognito on Jan 22, 2012 4:40 AM EST up reply actions
David can wave that clause to get out of Dodge.
by Putnan Prince on Jan 22, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
Unlike you, he seems to not want to see himself traded
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by BobbyV_Incognito on Jan 22, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
am I reading this right ?
people think Duda will be 3+ WAR ?.
based on what ?.
One day, this team is going to kill me.
On the hope
That he’s at least scratch defensively, and doesn’t wind up a negative on the field.
You always root for laundry. Of course, you'd like to have good players in that laundry as well.
I think he’ll be bad, but I don’t quite think he’ll be a disaster in Right Field. There’s several reasons to think he might be better next year, starting with added experience in the Outfield from an offseason and Spring Training to adjust to the position (which you mentioned), continuing on to a smaller Right Field itself thanks to the new dimensions, and finally playing next to a better defender like Andres Torres who should be able to cover more of the gaps then Pagan did last year.
As an aside, I’m personally a bit skeptical of OF UZR numbers from quirky ballparks. My theory is that in a ballpark like Citi Field used to be (ie: abnormally large), that you’d ask a fielder like Duda to play deeper then on a normal ballpark and his UZR can be skewed on shallow fly balls that drop in front of him because he’s being asked to play deeper then typical. Maybe I’m just misinformed on how UZR actually works though.
I think you said you are new, right ?.
May I introduce you to the subject line ^
You are going to have a hard time on the game threads without using it.
One day, this team is going to kill me.
yup
The bat is about 3.0 WAR, if you ignore defense. But I think the D drops him to 1.5 WAR, if not worse.
heh
lets just move this up to the previous comment from fxcarden….
by acerimusdux on Jan 24, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Adjusting James projections
My projected lineup, using James projections:
http://tinyurl.com/8yhj5n7
I find that the James projections do run a bit hot, but you can adjust for that by calculating WAR using the James projection average (about .335) rather than league average (about .325) in the calculation. So I calculate offense as (wOBA-.335)/1.15*600; then plug in my own estimates for defense, and I get:
off +def +repl +pos
-03 + 10 + 20 + 2.5 = 3.0 WAR Torres
+09 – 05 + 20 + 2.5 = 2.7 WAR Murphy
+21 – 05 + 20 + 2.5 = 3.9 WAR Wright
+25 + 08 + 20 – 12 = 4.1 WAR Davis
+17 – 15 + 20 – 7.5 = 1.5 WAR Duda
+07 – 05 + 20 – 7.5 = 1.5 WAR Bay
-05 – 05 + 20 + 12 = 2.2 WAR Thole
-21 + 00 + 20 + 7.5 = 0.7 WAR Tejada
I think those are actually pretty reasonable. I think Tejada may be a bit better hitter than James projects (only .321 OBP, .294 wOBA). This is actually a pretty decent lineup, to me. I’m assuming below average defense from everyone but Tejada, Davis, and Torres. On the whole, the team is giving back 17 runs on the defensive end, almost 2 wins. But it still comes out a respectable +19.6 WAR.
If you could get as much from the pitching, and break even on the bench, you might expect to win 87 games (48+19.6+19.6). Unfortunately, I expect the pitching is a full 10 wins worse than that. So I think we would really need a miracle or two on the pitching end, like a complete 100% recovery of Johan Santana, or Mike Pelfrey duplicating 2010, or maybe a hurculean effort from the revamped bullpen.
But I think the lineup really isn’t as bad as many people think, despite having lost Reyes and Beltran.
Personally,
I am even more optimistic about our lineup than those projections, but just as pessimistic about our pitching. I think we may surprise people and end up at around .500, but that’s it barring some key outbreak performances.
by METSMETSMETS on Jan 21, 2012 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
It's an even year so I could see Pelf put together another 3 win season
I think this is the time for Niese’s big breakout too (I just have a feeling), and considering the bullpen was probably below replacement as a whole last year, I can actually see this team breaking the 500 mark.
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Myth of Even year
In 2010 he pitched with the 6th best NL defense behind him. Last year he pitched with one of the worst. Hopefully this season the defense will be better, but no way to tell that until they play the games. But the point remains Pelfrey is an extreme pitch to contact pitcher so how well he pitches and suppresses runs falls heavily on how well the defense performs behind him. It also wouldn’t hurt if he’d correct his fly ball % back to his career norm.
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All those numbers look pretty good
Personally, I think Torres and Wright will be a little better (within a win or so) and Bay and Thole will be a little worse (also within a win or so).
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