A Month (Or So) From Spring Applesauce: Mets Interested In Francis, Rockies Interested In Turner, Is Anybody Interested In Carrasco?
Meet the Mets
Rumor has it that the Mets are one of a few teams that are interested in former Royals and Rockies lefthander Jeff Francis. The 31-year old apparently lost 16 games last season in the Kansas City rotation but the underlying stats paint a much nicer picture, as he threw to an average 4.10 FIP and 4.29 xFIP. He'd definitely be effective Johan Santana insurance, at the very least.
Yesterday afternoon, it sounded as if the Rockies and Red Sox were nearing a deal centered around Marco Scutaro. That deal fell through and soon after, there were rumblings that the Rockies had shifted their interest to the Mets' Justin Turner (again). Back in December, it had been reported that the Mets had interest in Eric Young Jr, though it wasn't known whether a Turner for Young deal had been discussed between the two teams.
What should the Mets do with reliever D.J. Carrasco? Well, since they haven't dumped him by the side of the curb yet, they might as well see what he's got in spring training. Personally, I still think the two MPH drop in his average fastball velocity he suffered in 2011 played a large part in how hittable he was.
Seedlings to Stars took a look at Mets outfield prospect Juan Lagares and they determined that it's probably best to temper your expectations for the 22-year old. Lagares broke out to the tune of a batting average heavy .349/.383/.500 line across High A and Double A ball in 2011 and it'll be important to see if he can continue to bump up that walk rate or add more power.
Finally, Anthony DiComo took a look at the team's offseason moves and projected payroll for 2012.
Around the Majors
Yu Darvish was introduced by the Rangers on Friday and he'll wear number 11. The Japanese ace had some funny things to say to the media in his first press conference.
The Giants and Tim Lincecum are moving closer to a deal to avoid an ugly arbitration hearing. In case you forgot, Lincecum requested $21.5 million in arbitration, while the Giants countered with $17 million. It's unknown if they are talking about a multi-year deal or just a one-year contract.
Indians pitcher Fausto Carmona (or allegedly Robert Hernandez Heredia) has been released from a Dominican jail on bail a day after he was arrested for using a false identity. The pitcher formerly known as Carmona is supposedly 31-years old, as opposed to his listed age of 28. In other news, the Indians acquired righty Kevin Slowey from the Rockies in a deal that GM Chris Antonetti said has nothing to do with the news about Carmona.
With a bunch of injuries suddenly cropping up, the Red Sox are likely in need of some outfield help and quick. Hey Boston: we've got a certain Canadian outfielder who you're very familiar with. Interested?
Have you found yourself wondering whether Gavin Floyd has been traded to the Blue Jays? No? Well, in case you have, Baseball Nation passes along this handy website which answers the question: Is Gavin Floyd a Blue Jay?
Finally, many people seem to dislike Marlins owner Jeffrey Loria for the way he's seemingly played Major League Baseball for years, spending little money on his teams, completely deserting the Montreal Expos and most recently, stealing Jose Reyes from the Mets. If you're in the Hate Jeffrey Loria camp, here's something you'll enjoy, as Mr. Loria was nearly run over by LeBron James at a recent Miami Heat game.
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Juan Lagares
The article on Lagares was certainly a buzz kill for this Met fan but this was definitely an interesting read. I’m just a bit confused . How often did he put the ball into play in previous seasons? I hate math but I would assume his avg would only increase based off this difference. If not wouldn’t there be the potential for all players who are capable of putting the ball into play, to have similar random increases ing avg from year to year?
eh i didn't buy that article whatsoever
that article was mediocre at best. there were numerous inaccuracies there so don’t put too much stock into that. i mean to say that he ’isn’t much of a prospect’ is just plain wrong.
first issue, he downplays lagares’ stock before 2011, painting him as a no-name with little pedrigree (‘Nobody thought much of him entering 2011.’). yet for those who know the mets system they’ll remember him as the robin to fmart’s batman in the ‘05 IFA signing class. he was considered a very big signing at that time. and for all the talk about fmart being rushed and injured, lagares was actually pushed almost as hard and also had injuries early in his career (fortunately they were not of the degenerative variety). to me lagares represented a kid with lots of talent who just hadn’t been healthy enough or in the right context to show it yet, your prototypical breakout candidate.
my next problem is that while BABIP and line drive rates are helpful indicators to look at, people have gotten very knee-jerk with them citing anything above .300 as purely luck-driven. so obviously the author doesn’t like lagares’ .396 mark in 2011. and while it obviously won’t stay that high — i’m looking mostly at his .439 mark in double-a — his .371 BABIP in st. lucie actually isn’t much higher than marks he’s hit in the past.
lagares had posted a .329 mark in 2010 with savannah, .362 the season before that. obviously he has a knack for BABIP’s above .300, which oftentimes indicates an advanced hit tool — as stated by KG about lagares in discussing his #5 ranking. scouts agreed that lagares had developed a very good ability to center up balls in 2011.
so it’s not just out of nowhere like that casey kotchman example which was completely irrelevant because kotchman had historically posted BABIP’s around .270 and then jumped up to .335. sometimes a high BABIP doesn’t indicate luck as much as it does a hitter on a tear. was AFL MVP nolan arenado lucky to post a .402 BABIP in 130 ab’s this fall? maybe a little but most scouts agree he’s an absolutely incredible hitter so how much more of it was arenado’s superb ability to square up balls just feasting on inferior competition?
the author cites minor league line drive stats to try and dispel that same ability in the case of lagares but if you’re going to put a lot of stock into those then you’re just wasting your time. those are rough estimates at best. you’re much better off listening to the first-hand reports of those who do this for a living.
once again, the author displays his lack of knowledge about the system when discussing waning speed due to 10 less stolen bases in 2011. yet in actuality lagares battled a fractured ankle early in 2011 which obviously didn’t let him run much early on. his raw athleticism is actually excellent. backman said this seaso, ‘He can play in the outfield in the big leagues. I mean, defensively his skills are good enough to play in the big leagues…He’s a 22-year-old kid who can play all three outfield positions. He’s got speed. He’s a good outfielder.’ and that was in just his first season since moving from shortstop.
in short, his BABIP won’t stay that high which means his average won’t either. but he is a damn good hitter so it doesn’t mean he’ll completely fall apart either. basically you shouldn’t take a .350 average in the upper minors lightly. the article points out some very real concerns going forward but to consider him a non-prospect at this point is again, just wrong.
by Rob Castellano on Jan 21, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
everything I was thinking as I read that article
he was definitely someone I was interested in keeping an eye on from the beginning of 2010 due to his mini-breakout in A-ball when finally healthy and playing at an age appropriate league. I should have expected you or one of the other ‘daily minor league update’ guys to have already ripped that article to shreds – ps that is my favorite feature of this site
2012 New York Mets, World Series Champions!
Effective Payroll $50 Million
If you don’t include Bay and Santana.
“More important for the Mets is the level of payroll come 2014, at a time when the team will shed its big contracts and the Madoff litigation — one way or the other — should be well in the past. In that sense, the next 24 months should have a far more significant long-term effect on team finances than the previous 12, even if it is difficult to look past the present.”
The question is, do the Mets continue to try to cut payroll between now than then. Do they shoot for a payroll below $50 million in 2014, or sooner if Bay and Santana comebacks allow them to be dumped sooner? Do they trade or fail to sign Wright for financial reasons?
As I’ve said, I think the failure to retain Reyes sets the Mets back two years. At this point, they won’t be any more reviled with a payroll of $30 million, and they won’t win at $90 million. I guess at this point more Beltran-type deals (for Wright) or K-Rod type partial salary dumps (for Bay and Santana) make sense.
I guess the Mets might as well embrace who they have always been – a team with no “core” and no long term players. Let the hollowed records of Ed Kranepool and the other 1960s Mets stand!
a 30 mil payroll lol
if they got that low they should just hire random guys who love to fight to fill out the bench, and make them play whenever we visit philly
by Donovan Rice on Jan 21, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
Ironically
4 of our top 10 paid players in 2012 will be relievers….
"I still think the two MPH drop in his average fastball velocity he suffered in 2011 played a large part in how hittable he was."
I still think he was Drek when we signed him and the loss of 2mph made him even more drek.
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Really good kid.A very good player.Not a superstar. #BlameWilponz. Never Forget
by ScottfromPeekskill on Jan 21, 2012 1:32 PM EST reply actions
OT: what ever happened to AA meet ups
I know there was one last year…..any interest for one before ST ?.
One day, this team is going to kill me.
There's been a couple of preliminary discussions,
but nothing concrete. Feel free to suggest a time/place, and we can see who can make it.
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Jan 22, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Foley's Pub.
They have a Dickey signed ball. Don’t know if it’s legit, but it’s on their wall.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
2012 Amazin' Avenue Offseason Plan: 2nd place
doesn't matter to me
whatever works for the majority……….for me it’s either Hudson County or Manhattan.
One day, this team is going to kill me.
18 W 33rd St.
“just across the street from the Empire State building”
Save Jenrry Mejia!
2012 Amazin' Avenue Offseason Plan: 2nd place
works for me........
who else is in ?.
Probably this coming weekend would be best, what with no football and all.
One day, this team is going to kill me.
I'm free Saturday afternoon.
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Jan 22, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
Cody Ross?
Really?
Hey Sandy, if you’re really gonna spend a bit of money, how about some SP depth?
by MetsFan4Decades on Jan 21, 2012 8:29 PM EST reply actions
Yeah, if they're too poor to afford both, I'd rather just have Jeff Francis
Gotta admit, saying I want Jeff Francis sounds so unappealing.
37 - 14 - 41 - 31 - 17 - 42 - SHEA
Red Sox sent Scutaro to Denver.
Kinda glad, I like the ginga ninja off the bench.
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Really good kid.A very good player.Not a superstar. #BlameWilponz. Never Forget
by ScottfromPeekskill on Jan 22, 2012 1:58 AM EST reply actions
How about Bay to the Sox
in exchange for their worst prospect?
That sounds like a fair deal.
And we eat half the money.
Still fair. And maybe Bay will have a second renaissance in Boston.
CAN WE PLEASE JUST HAVE JEFF FRANCIS
I WILL FORGIVE EVERY OTHER TRANSGRESSION.
one does not simply walk into mordor...unless winter is coming
Remember to use your indoor voice.
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