Project: Lucas Duda
It's time to continue our Project project, which began with Ruben Tejada and his walk rate and continued with David Wright and his power/contact dichotomy. Now it's time to tackle the big boy, the Ox, El Dudarino, or just Lucas Duda if you're into that brevity thing.
Using the best heat maps, batted ball maps, advanced statistics, and batting coach insights that we can muster, let's see what issues Duda might have at the plate in 2012. Along with Ike Davis, he might be the Mets best shot at a young, cost-controlled middle-of-the-order bat, so his development this year should be of great interest. On a team needing more positive on-the-field story lines, Duda provides hope.
First, let's admire what good plate discipline can do for your heat maps, which factor in all results on pitches and compare them to the league average. Walks are good, but doubles and home runs are better, just like green is good but red is better. Lucas Duda knew the zone in his rookie year:
How about that. Above average everywhere in the zone with some nice power spots down the middle. Very little changed in 2011, when he once again controlled the zone:
There's a bit of a change here, even if the overall picture looks similar. Since we are looking from the batter's perspective, Duda's best zones were on the inside part of the plate. Was he pulling the ball more? Dave Hudgens, the Mets batting coach, wasn't sure he remembered it the same way -- "If he tries to pull to much, he can get longer with his swing," Hudgens pointed out.
Well, it may or may not be good for his overall approach at the plate, but Duda did begin to pull the ball a little more at one point last season. The first bunch of dots represents the angles on his 2010 batted balls (fly balls, line drives, and home runs), and the second bunch is 2011. Check out his batted ball angles -- since -45 is down the left field line and +45 is down the right field line, you can see that he pulled the ball more at one point last season.
Early in the second half in 2011, Duda began pulling the ball more. It meant more power. Look at the corresponding spike in batted ball distance:
What happened late in the second half last year? It didn't show up in his results -- his slugging percentage stayed above .500 every month in the second half -- but his batted balls weren't flying as far.
If it was anything, Hudgens felt he might have been a little tired. "It was his first full year," Hudgens pointed out, and a little fatigue could be expected.
But Duda is not your typical pull power hitter. He hit only 11 home runs in three years at USC, he didn't put up a slugging percentage over .500 until his second try at Double-A, and so far his 10.2% home-run-per-fly-ball rate is just about exactly average for the majors. He has great plate discipline -- above-average in both strikeout and walk rate as well as their corresponding peripherals -- but maybe he shouldn't be trying to pull the ball out of the park, especially if it will lead to more strikeouts.
Hudgens doesn't want Duda to worry to much about the power. He pointed out that plenty of good batters hit their power stride late -- like Jason Giambi, for one -- and that line drives (Duda's 21.8% line drive rate so far is well above the 19% average) were the sign of a good hitter. "It's better to be a good hitter first, and then develop the power, because then you know how to make adjustments," he emphasized.
What does Hudgens want Duda to focus on? Pre-pitch movement. If he can "quiet it down" and get the front foot down before he gets started, Hudgens felt, he would be even more consistent. Combining his sense of rhythm with calmer, more controlled pre-pitch movement might be the last step.
"He's already a player with great work ethic and a strong sense of preparation and routine," Hudgens pointed out. The hitting coach is confident the young player can continue to calm his pre-pitch routine while finding the optimal mix of pull power and plate coverage.
That confidence must be spreading: the "overs" on most of Duda's projections look tantalizingly attainable.
| PA | HR | 2B | BB% | K% | AVG | OBP | SLG | |
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| Bill James | 370 | 14 | 25 | 10.8 | 17.6 | 0.279 | 0.364 | 0.488 |
| Fans | 555 | 21 | 32 | 10.1 | 17.8 | 0.281 | 0.361 | 0.479 |
| ZiPs | 575 | 17 | 31 | 9.9 | 21.6 | 0.256 | 0.338 | 0.431 |
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20-25 with a high OBP would be very nice.
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by ScottfromPeekskill on Jan 26, 2012 10:04 AM EST reply actions
If this guy slugs
.500 over 500+ plate appearances, and / or hits 30 homers, I will drink the Duda kool-aid. For sure.
I think around 25 home runs
and something like a .270/.350/.480 line is reasonable projection. I just don’t think he has the raw power of someone like Ike Davis who gets a lot more loft out of his swing.
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by Jeffrey Paternostro on Jan 26, 2012 10:23 AM EST reply actions
Those numbers are fine
but they aren’t exactly all-star corner outfielder, considering how hyped this guy is being around here.
by aronofsky40 on Jan 26, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
Who is saying he will be an all-star next year?
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In aronofsky40's world
There is no middle ground between anointing a player an all-star and despising them with every fiber of your being.
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by piazza62 on Jan 26, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Given the choices, then Duda has no other option besides becoming a perennial all star
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You don't get to the playoffs
without some all-star caliber players…
Tell that to the 1990 Reds
Barry Larkin, Randy Myers, Rob Dibble, and that’s all she wrote.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 26, 2012 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
Two things
1. Most generalizations have exceptions.
2. Barry Larkin is certainly an all-star caliber player, so the 1990 Reds are actually not an exception.
They were their All-Star representatives
They had a singular All-Star position player and Pythagorean’d themselves to a 92-70 record despite having a generally shitting starting pitching rotation. That discounts the notion that you need a bunch of All-Star players to get to the playoffs. If you want to define all-star as being 5+ WAR, as opposed to formal All-Star nods, you have a bunch more teams not having more than one or two All-Stars position players/pitchers.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 26, 2012 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
You don't need a BUNCH
do the Mets have ONE?
This was the first year Wright didn't make it
Ike is a solid bet to make a couple, as may Duda, as has Santana, as may Dickey and Niese.
Hell, Jason Bay made a bunch of AS teams, and is making a ton of money. Just your type of player.
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Wright's not a 5 WAR player anymore.
Neither is Bay.
We’ll see about Ike…
Wright was a 4 WAR player in 2010
5 WAR is certainly attainable with the new dimensions and a clean bill of health.
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by piazza62 on Jan 26, 2012 9:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Attainable?
Sure. But I’m a Mets fan. I’m a pessimist by nature. When it goes right, I will celebrate it, but not a moment before.
Is that relevant?
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 26, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
Well 1) Every team has at least one All-Star, and
2) We’re not a playoff caliber team.
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by Ogre39666 on Jan 26, 2012 7:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Technically, yes
1. But, in the SABR community, all-star caliber is generally considered 5+ WAR. So that’s what I meant by all-star caliber, as opposed to actual all-stars.
2. You can sure say that again!
I think it's a good bet Wright and/or Ike will be worth ~4WAR
but I don’t get the point of this mini-thread. 2012 isn’t so much about 2012 as it’s about the years after it.
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*2012 isn’t so much about the All-Stars of 2012 as it’s about the possible All-Stars in years after it.
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That's because the Wilpons are broke
not because it has to be that way.
It all comes back to this
and you have to think to yourself: why bother discussing anything?
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I'm all for a Wilpon boycott
but it’s already been discussed and really it’s up to each individual to decide what the want to do.
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I say we should discuss Duda
who put up .9 WAR over 350 plate appearances last year.
Which projects to a bit under a 2 WAR season.
Which is average. Which is ok.
he also had 3 straight months with a 150 wRC+ and .390 wOBA
which is objectively above average
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Ok but a player is a total package
unless he’s a DH, he needs to be able to put up defensive value as well, or at least not have his offensive value mostly negated by his defense.
I say we discuss Marvel vs. Capcom 3, and whose ass I am going to kick next with Iron Man, Akuma, and Zero
Anyone want some?
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 26, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
I think his OBP can be much better, that line seems like a reasonable floor imo, if things (like BABIP) go bad
He had a weird month of August in terms of K:BB, relative to his career it was weird, but he was so go in that regard in July and September and has always been above average at taking walks and not striking out. He also slugged over .500 all three months, batted at least .300, and had an OBP of at least .380 (aka .300+/.380+/.510+ for 3 months) which enabled him to be at a wRC+ of .149 or higher for all three months. (OPS was over .910 and ISO over .200 as well.)
@aronofsky, those 3 months are all-star corner outfielder numbers
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He certainly *could* take a big step forward this year
He’s starting to creep up on his ‘prime’ seasons and did hit .322/.411/.546 after the ASB last year. I just think you have to regress those numbers a bunch if you want to make a reasonable prediction. A .900 OPS would be a pleasant surprise, but not a shock.
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by Jeffrey Paternostro on Jan 26, 2012 11:25 AM EST reply actions
This advice worked for other power hitters
get the front food down before he gets started
>1.000 OPS or bust
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Maybe he improves by leaps and bounds the way Ike was before injury....
Or he hits one of those 3 for 42 streaks and breaks or hearts?!?
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by The real Julio from Paterson on Jan 26, 2012 1:02 PM EST reply actions
IMHO
Duda is one of the toughest to project Mets going forward. Really looking forward to seeing if he makes or breaks (hopefully the former).
I say 21
And, he hits around .265, and gets on base at around a .350 clip.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 26, 2012 7:30 PM EST reply actions
I like to be conservative
I’m thinking .310/.421/.621
is about the least we can hope for.
Probably will hit between 54 and 57 home runs. I have calculated this using the most rigorous statistical methods.
A little typo there
You wrote 621 instead of 721…
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