Wheeler, Harvey and Familia Rank Among MLB.com Top 100 Prospects
MLB.com released their 2012 Top 100 Prospects list on Wednesday -- compiled as always by MLB.com prospect expert Jonathan Mayo -- as part of a one-hour special on MLB Network. (Quick aside, if nothing else you've got to love what the network has done for mainstream prospect exposure.)
For those unfortunate enough to miss it Mayo included three Mets prospects on his list, THE three big Mets pitching prospects as we head into the 2012 season: Zack Wheeler, Matt Harvey and Jeurys Familia (in that order).
Specifically, Wheeler came in at no. 28, Harvey slid in ten spots below him at no. 38 and Familia trailed far behind at no. 90. Funny when you consider that in terms of 2011, it was Familia who pretty clearly posted the best line and did so at the highest level.
However, that's not what's in play here, because all of them posted impressive numbers in different ways. These rankings are more or less a referendum on secondary stuff. Now there are certainly other factors to consider -- Harvey features the sturdiest pitcher's build, Wheeler is a year younger on the development curve, Familia ran into some weird arm soreness last season.
But the fact of the matter is, each member of this trio possesses a plus, mid-90's fastball. All three possess good picher's builds. Each has dominated at some level and all three feature at least some semblance of a decent change-up. But what it all comes down to is that second pitch:
Wheeler features the best breaker of the three, a powerful, two-plane swing-and-miss curve that scouts have already labelled a plus pitch and Paul DePodesta called the farm system's "best wipeout stuff." Harvey's slider is next; also a potentially plus pitch with the ability to miss bats as well as drive lots of ground balls. He also features a strong curve but the slider has been more impressive thus far in his pro career. Finally, Familia's offering, also a slider, lags behind as an average pitch, flashing plus at times but decidedly less developed than the other two.
And this is why you see them ranked the way they're ranked. With two nearly major league plus-pitches at age 21, Wheeler has very real ace potential. Harvey might have two also but more likely is looking at 1.5 and more comfortably fits into the no. 2 slot in projections. As of now Familia realistically will likely only boast one plus pitch which brings that ceiling down a bit. Factor in a less natural-looking delivery and minor arm trouble and some like him more for the back of a 'pen.
It's certainly hard to argue with this approach. Though I will say that it seems to get lost in the shuffle that of the three Familia probably has the best fastball, featuring excellent sink and consistently working in the mid-90's while his peers regularly work a couple ticks below that. And again, he has had the most success in Double-A, which I feel should count for something.
But all in all, you can't really fault anyone for their perspective as it relates to these three. Any way you slice it the Mets have a heck of a big 3 emerging within their system and are damn lucky to have each one of them. And just in case you weren't already daydreaming enough, certainly doesn't hurt to hear DePodesta go on to draw comparisons to another big 3 that he oversaw in his time with Oakland. Now that's a daydream...
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Voted Harvey
Furthest along, already has one plus pitch, could have three by this time next year. I think Wheeler has an excellent chance of being better, but he also has an excellent chance of going the same way hundreds of others have gone before him.
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I think Harvey will ultimately have the most success
I think he’ll end up being a workhorse, Mike Pelfrey type. I’ll bet he’s better than Pelf simply because the Mets will let him develop his pitches before moving him into MLB.
Wheeler has a ton of potential, but he seems the more hit or miss candidate.
Familia I see going into a reliever role due to his arm issues and delivery. Besides, that plus fastball and lack of superior secondary pitches projects into a relief role.
I think you're confusing Familia with Mejia
Although some fringy control issue tinkering has had some saying they see him in a relief role as well. Mejia is the one with the mechanics & durability issues you mention, not Familia.
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by Wright of passage on Jan 27, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
i’d say familia has similar, though to this point far less severe concerns. mejia’s arm problem led to TJ while so far familia’s have just been soreness. and while familia has something of an unorthodox delivery, it’s certainly not as violent or max. effort as mejia’s. in addition, he’s got the kind of build to potentially support it, whereas mejia has a lot smaller stature.
by Rob Castellano on Jan 28, 2012 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
I'm too lazy to read into this
But is there a relevant correlation between a pitchers physical stature and performance?
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by Wright of passage on Jan 28, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
You'd figure, generally speaking, that the bigger the guy, the harder he throws
But, then you have your Pedro Martinezes, Tim Lincecums, or your BIlly Wagners who throw gas despite being relatively smaller (Wagner is even more awesome, because he’s smaller, and threw 100 as a lefty despite actually being right-handed). Realistically, it has more to do with, asides for sheer force, the torque that you get when you throw, and how much you use your trunk so that you’re not losing kinetic energy, and all kinds of other physics things.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 28, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
yeah i mean it's pretty intuitive
there are obviously always exceptions with anything but how many 5’9" scrawny guys do you see playing in the majors? especially as pitchers?
by Rob Castellano on Jan 28, 2012 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
with proper mechanics, and amazing leg strength
there is no reason they couldn’t be. I wouldn’t think height has much to do with health though, just how easily one can dial it up without perfect mechanics
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yeah i suppose
but the ability to dial it up typically comes from long levers and most shorter guys don’t have long arms. now there are the guys who compensate with crazy lower body strength or weird deliveries but on the whole it’s just not as likely when it comes to prospects.
when it comes to a guy like tim collins — the 5’7" lefty that can downright deal — it’s not like the industry as a whole fell asleep at the wheel when he first went undrafted and then was passed around like a rented mule before he seemingly found a home in the KC bullpen. it’s because in general scouts know that these guys either don’t develop the stuff to compete at the highest levels or they break down physically.
is it possible? yeah obviously it is — again, see tim collins — but is it likely? frankly no it isn’t, at least not nearly as much as a guy who’s 6’4".
now if the question was the level of performance of established major leaguers, filtered by size, well then that’s a good question and something that’d be interesting to research. but in this case neither familia or mejia are established major leaguers so it’s more than reasonable to give familia a bump based on his size over mejia.
by Rob Castellano on Jan 29, 2012 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
Familia change-up
There were reports that Familia had greatly developed his change-up, after his coaches told him to throw it all the time, walks/pitch sequence be dammed. What happened to that?
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There's never a true consensus on these guys
There’s almost certainly at least one scout, somewhere, who saw Familia on a day when his change looked sharp and thinks it’s a future plus pitch. And maybe it is a future plus pitch, and as he refines his stuff, it’ll become obvious to everyone! Probably not, of course. But “the scouts” are not a monolithic authority who have an official collective opinion on anyone’s ceiling or tools.
familia
you’re right on that sequence of events. the mets have a policy where they ask starting pitching prospects to throw at least 14% change-ups. so specifically this was a major goal of the 2010 season for familia and you can see that bear out in his numbers. he wasn’t quite as dominant and his walk rate nearly doubled.
however, despite good development of that pitch, he merely went from bad to serviceable. though to psiogen’s point it flashes plus potential. hell i watched him pitch first hand this year where he threw a couple really good, diving ones for swinging strike 3. obviously that was more the exception than the rule for him but i still really hesitate to automatically label the guy a reliever at age 21 when he’s already shown pretty good development of his secondary stuff and has been dominant thus far.
by Rob Castellano on Jan 27, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
I've seen him a couple times
And his change-up has always looked fine, and like Rob said, flashed plus on occasion. I think the change-up issues are overstated. His slider still needs some work as well, though it can be a more dominant offering when he has a feel for it.
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by Jeffrey Paternostro on Jan 27, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
I liked the change up earlier this season in A+
He wasn’t throwing it a lot, but what I saw of it looked pretty good. Made some good LHB (like Zach Cox) look foolish.
Familia’s breaking ball has less depth than Harvey or Wheeler, but he can throw it in the low to mid 80s with sharp break, maybe 1 to 7; it’s just more of a power pitch. He made good progress this year though in his ability to throw that pitch for strikes.
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by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 27, 2012 1:07 PM EST reply actions
Minors
He did an amazing job in the minors given he couldn’t pay over cap. We should be able to at least give him that. His scoutiness was what got him the job. (Mejia can still make it.)
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by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 27, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Amazing?
He did a pretty decent job but then you look at all the picks wasted on college relievers.
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Yeah, the 06 & 07 drafts were really a killer to the system.
Aside from Murphy, Duda and Gee, they got almost nothing out of them and by the time they started drafting better in 08, it was too late for Minaya.
I agree. I can’t say he did an amazing job, even with the little amount of money they had to spent. They had a nice draft in 2005 that produced 4 big leaguers (Pelf, Niese, Parnell, Thole), another solid one in 2008 with those multiple 1st rounders (though it’s still up in the air depending on what becomes of Havens and Nieuwenhuis, among others and it looked a lot better when Brad Holt was dominating the minors 3 years ago. They got some nice pitching depth there, though). And 2010 has a lot of potential with Harvey, Den Dekker, Akeel Morris, Edgin, Goeddel and Cory Vaughn, among others). 06, 07 and 09 seem to be a bit light on talent overall (though there are some guys in 09 who could improve that draft’s stock—Gorski, Matz, Dotson, Ceciliani, Jeff Glenn, Cam Maron). But it’s the lack of any sort of homegrown star-level talent that’s killed them thus far.
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by Steve Schreiber on Jan 27, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
If he did an amazing job, our farm system would be among the best, not in the amorphous middle of the pack
He struck gold a few times with a few players. That doesn’t make him a good “Minor League overseer” because (a) there’s a lot more luck than skill involved, and you can’t quantify luck and assign it as a skill, but more importantly (b) that’s what is supposed to happen. A team’s job is to draft guys and develop them such that they can be MLB contributors in some capacity. If that isn’t happening at all, you can say they’re doing a bad job. If it happens a little, you can say the job is being done. If it happens at an extraordinary rate, you can say they’re going above and beyond. More or less, when it comes to the players who were developed under Minaya, best you can say it that the job was being done, no better, no worse. If plenty of important picks weren’t wasted, thrown away, or basically used capriciously, I would say he did a good job. But, quite a few important picks were wasted, thrown away, or used capriciously.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 27, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
He was forced to pay slot.
This basically paralyzed his ability to draft premium talent. The fact that the farm was even decent was a testament to his ability to identify undervalued talent in both the US and Latin America.
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by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 27, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
1) Was he forced or did he agree?
2) Even if he was force, that’s no excuse for throwing away picks on college relievers and needless Type-A FA’s.
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all the crappy relief arms he drafted are what I get stuck on
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In addition to what Ogre says above, identifying international talent is something a GM is supposed to do
Or, rather, have underlings who do that for him. That he found the Jenrry Mejias, or the Wilmer Flores’ of international talent pool isn’t a gold star on his behalf- these are things that GMs are supposed to do, and these are guys GMs are supposed to “mine”, so to speak. You can look at samples from other GMs across baseball, and all are going to have their raw Latin American prospects that “they” found.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 27, 2012 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
Latin Talent
If you compare Omar to all of baseball, then sure, the rest of the league can measure up. Measure Omar’s success vs any other SINGLE GM, and I doubt you could find one better in all of baseball.
Omar’s talent for scouting is what got him the job in the first place. He’s widely regarded as one of the best in the business. Jose Reyes, Juan Gonzalez, Sammy Sosa, etc. These were 3 of his gems if I remember correctly.
Nobody here is qualified to objectively evaluate Omar as a GM. We simply don’t have enough information. With this said, he was given the job based on his reputation as a scout, and our farm system vastly outperformed the resources used to assemble it, so I give him credit for this.
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by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 28, 2012 2:44 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd say we have plenty of information to evaluate Omar as a GM.
Furthermore, I cannot agree with your assertion that the farm system ‘vastly outperformed the resources used to assemble it’. Look at the 2006 and 2007 drafts; they’re chock full of awful picks. What did we get out of those 2 drafts? Duda, Gee, Murphy, Joe Smith and possibly a couple of relievers. That’s it. To be honest, choosing Eddie Kunz with his first pick in 2007 was a fire-able offense even at the time.
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by BobbyV_Incognito on Jan 28, 2012 4:12 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He was forced to pay slot.
The Mets refused to pay over slot during Omar’s entire tenure. Given that paying over slot has been common practice during his entire tenure, this had a crippling effect. The fact that he developed so many major league caliber players under these circumstances was exceptional.
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by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 28, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Again
was he forced, or did he agree to pay slot.
One thing I give him credit for was his seeming ability to find guys from small schools. But that’s about it. If he had done such an amazing job, the system would not have been ranked 20th.
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by Ogre39666 on Jan 28, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Again.
He was forced.
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by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 28, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Good point, and if you'll recall, Omar did go overslot ocasionally in his final drafts.
Matz, Peavey, Harvey being some examples. If the team had money (and first rounders) to blow on Moises Alou, than I’m sure they would have had a few extra bucks to draft some better players. Maybe it was a case of Omar not pushing ownership enough for overslot signings earlier in his tenure. Even this past year, when the owners were broke, Sandy still got them to loosen the purse strings on the draft. Like you said, there’s no way to know for sure.
by MetsFanXXIII on Jan 28, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Probably from
the multitude of articles that came out over the past few years saying the Wilpons were trying to be good major league citizens for their good pal Bud Selig.
It’s a point made repeatedly over the past few years by draft and minor league writers and scouts about the Wilpons. When the team drafted Beato in 2005, the MLB warned against spending too much.
Even within that framework of knowledge
we still don’t know if the Wilpons asked “hey, try to stay within the slot recommendations” and Omar acquiesced, or if the Wilpons demanded he stay within the slot recommendations despite Omar’s pleadings otherwise.
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by Ogre39666 on Jan 28, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Since we don't have that information at hand,
it’s probably best to just assume that he was forced. Because if the Wilpons said to him “hey, you want to go overslot in the draft a bunch of times this year” and Omar said “don’t worry, guys. I got this”, that’d basically prove that Minaya is a gigantic moron. The guy wasn’t a good General Manager but I doubt he was that negligent that he’d just decline to spend money in the draft that the Wilpons were handing him.
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by Steve Schreiber on Jan 28, 2012 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
Not really
considering Omar’s moves became more and more short-sighted as the years progressed. He started out with a big bang, but then he just kept focusing on the quick fix in one area of the team. And it has been discussed at length here how he couldn’t multitask in the offseason. Considering that, his consistent drafting of college relievers he hoped would be quick to reach the bigs seems more like his plan than something he was forced to do.
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Agreed on the relievers.
The motives there were pretty obvious—get relief prospects who could move quickly in order to build a homegrown bullpen. Funny how other than Joe Smith, none of those guys worked out. But I guess that’s why it’s stupid to take college relievers, since they’re likely relievers in college for a reason.
I don’t know…maybe I’m giving him too much credit, but it just boggles my mind that a General Manager wouldn’t utilize every route to acquire talent that they possibly could in order to beef up the organization, especially if the resources were there to do it.
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by Steve Schreiber on Jan 28, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
You answered your own problem with it
he did think he was utilizing the draft correctly by trying to create a bullpen of college relievers. If SheaWasBetter is correct, and he was that good a scout, than his job should not have been GM but draft evaluator, or w/e it is, with an actual GM directing him to get the best talent available and not just tall right-handed college guys.
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I'm not reading the rest of this conversation but simply put
Omar was penny wise & pound foolish. He had an exceptional nack for scouting the lesser priority roster fillers but had an abhorrently obnoxious penchant to blow the doors off of deals that didn’t require such extensively destructive means of facilitation. Johan Santana was IMO the exception, injury risk of the asset taken into account and all because the Twins wanted him out of the AL by seemingly any means necessary.
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by Wright of passage on Jan 28, 2012 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
Given that he drafted a bunch of players overslot his last year and the year before
I find it hard to believe that he was forced, and then suddenly, the mandate not to draft overslot suddenly removed- at a point in time when the Mets were being hit by all of the financial revelations we now know about, and their friendship with Selig and the MLB for loans, financial security, and such even more important than before.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 28, 2012 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think he was forced, either.
Given the way Omar frequently gave up picks for signing FAs, my guess is that he didn’t value them properly in relation to veterans and IFAs.
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by BobbyV_Incognito on Jan 28, 2012 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
As you just said, the rest of the league can measure up
Looking at individual current GMs, hmm…Jon Daniels, Alex Anthopoulos, Dayton Moore, Jack Zduriencik, and Brian Cashman. There might be other guys, but without looking at stats, those five immediately jump out.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 28, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
Andrew Friedman, John Schuerholz/Frank Wren
whoever is responsible for the Padres system.
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I thought the Rays didn't really get into the international market, because of the more questionmarks for players and their limited funds?
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 28, 2012 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
It's worth noting
…that in the entire history of the Mets, we’ve only drafted and signed around 35 guys who ever became successful major league regulars with significantly positive WAR totals. So between Murphy, Davis, Pelfrey, Thole, Parnell, Duda, Gee, and still-prospects like Kirk, Harvey, Havens, Vaughn, Gorski, and Den Dekker, Omar could wind up with one of the better drafting records among the sad history of Mets GMs.
by psiogen on Jan 28, 2012 1:03 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
For me its Harvey, Wheeler, Familia
Wheeler has the higher ceiling but Harvey seems to have a better chance of reaching his ceiling.
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by blueandorange4life on Jan 27, 2012 1:45 PM EST reply actions
Harvey
Mostly because I haven’t embraced Wheeler as a True Met yet. But Wheeler looks like he can a phenomenal top of the rotation starter. It really won’t matter when they’re both in the rotation and being awesome sauce.
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It’s really, really close. But Harvey is just a little closer to the bigs and has a bit higher floor. Wheeler’s ceiling is probably a bit higher, but not really all that much, and he’s still a volatile property.
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by Jeffrey Paternostro on Jan 27, 2012 2:18 PM EST reply actions
Meh, obviously the Mets top pitching prospect is Tim Wheeler, followed by Matt Harvery.
And we have that guy Roy Marriott, who could be our 2nd LOOGY.
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And what happened to that guy Mark Cocoon, we was born in 1985, so he is kinda old for his level.
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For me, what really puts Harvey on top of Wheeler
is the latter’s higher BB%. Wheeler really tightened up his command after the trade, which bodes well, but only for a 27 inning sample.
This.
If he shows he can maintain the lower walk rate for the first half of the season I’ll start breathing easier.
nailed it
this seems to be the elephant in the room that nobody is mentioning. especially because he had rather serious issues throwing strikes in the 1.5 years since becoming a pro, so i for one am not willing to just forget all about it after just 27 innings.
by Rob Castellano on Jan 27, 2012 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
Harvey
Wheeler: 3.68 ERA in 173.2 IP (2 seasons of A and A+ Ball), 7.6 Hits/9, 0.4 HR/9, 4.7 BB/9, 10.3 K/9
Harvey: 3.32 ERA in 135.2 IP (1 season of A+ and AA Ball), 8.7 Hits/9, 0.6 HR/9, 3.1 BB/9, 10.3 K/9
I give Harvey the slight edge because he’s performed better at a higher level. Their ERA is more or less the same, with Wheeler having a few more starts. Their hits per nine is about the same. Their K/9 is the same. Wheeler has the higher BB/9, but if he sticks to whatever he did with us and keeps it down, it should drop a bit, to around 3-4.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 27, 2012 4:26 PM EST reply actions
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I dream of the day our rotation is made up of four Dickeys
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 27, 2012 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
Wheeler and Harvey both have ace potential, no?
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and Familia
All have high velocity stuff with a plus second pitch and decent other pitches that, if they develop a little more, gives them ace potential
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Most of the things I've read say
Wheeler has real ace potential, and Harvey is more of a number two starter, but that’s kind of bull given the fact that one man’s ace is another man’s number two starter.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 29, 2012 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
The whole one-two-three starter thing is arbitrary to me
Some pitchers have far better stuff than others, but those spots in the rotation rely on major league results only and you can’t really project them from minor league stats effectively. Compare Brandon Webb to Mike Pelfrey.
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I think that when minor leaguers are projected it's based on 'typical' staffs, not necessarily the current staff of their parent club.
I’m reading Harvey and Wheeler as twos, Familia as a three/four and Meija as three/four/setup/closer. And some evaluators differentiate between a ‘one’ and an ‘ace’. Any minor league evaluator who projects someone as an ace should find a different line of work.

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