Team Picard vs. Team Wilpon Applesauce: Sterling and Picard Each File A Motion, Mets Sign Former Top Prospect With Unpronouncable Name
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There are some updates regarding the Wilpon/Madoff court case. Irving Picard filed a motion that asks the judge to force the Wilpons to fork over the $83 million in fictitious profits that they received from Madoff in the last two years. This money would be handed over to Picard before the March 19th jury trial in order to start handing it out to net losers. This comes a day after the Wilpons filed a motion to have the case thrown out of court, saying that Picard could not come up with any dirt on the embattled owners. In other news regarding this case, the Times has a piece talking about the expert witnesses on each side of the case.
Adam Rubin published part two of his story on the Wilpons' finances yesterday. The financial information included isn't really all that groundbreaking, as I think we've known the numbers for awhile now, but he does have some interviews with lawyers and such and he breaks down the court filings really well.
The Mets announced the signing of former top prospect Matt Tuiasosopo (pronounced Too-ee-ah-so-so-po) to a minor league deal on Friday. Looks like he's just an organizational depth signing, as he did not get a major league spring training invite. He'll probably head to Buffalo when the season breaks. Speaking of the Herd, they announced their spring training schedule yesterday.
I know that the denizens of Amazin' Avenue are (thankfully) very pro-Carlos Beltran, so here's a question: if Carlos were to get into the Hall of Fame at some point in the future (and it's looking like he's got a real chance, especially if he has a few more strong seasons and wins a ring, as unfair as that might be), who's hat does he wear when he goes in? Certainly an interesting question, as he played in both KC and New York for seven years. However, his offensive numbers lean in favor of the Mets, so perhaps Carlos being enshrined in blue and orange has a better chance than people think.
Around the Majors
It looks like there's hope for 2012 after all, Mets fans. Bud Selig said that he thinks the much talked about second wild card spot will be implemented this season, not next season as had been talked about before. Hey, you never know, right? Oh, that's right--we're snakebitten, baby!
Former Mets righty John Maine has signed a minor league deal with the Red Sox for 2012. Considering the rumors last year that he may retire, it's nice to see that he's going to give it another shot. I always liked John, even if he was a habitual liar.
The Phillies agreed to terms with Hunter Pence on a one year deal to avoid arbitration. The outfielder gets a hefty $10.4 million with incentives, setting him up nicely for a big (over)payday when he hits free agency after 2013 (Yup, he's still got another expensive year of arbitration). Meanwhile, the Phillies agreed to a minor league deal with light hitting outfielder Juan Pierre, further burying prospect Domonic Brown on the depth chart. I have no idea why they continue to ignore Brown in this way but I'm not going to complain. If the Phillies have decided they want to destroy one of the few young, near major league ready offensive assets they have in their system, I will certainly not stand in their way.
Twins first baseman Justin Morneau has started baseball activities. It's incredible how that concussion a few years ago seemed to completely derail his career, though the other injuries have obviously played a large part.
Finally, the Dodgers cut a bunch of bidders out of the running to buy the team on Friday. While there is no official word, some of the remaining bidders supposedly include hedge fund manager Steve Cohen, who'd been rumored to have interest in the Mets, the group that includes Joe Torre and the group that includes former NBA star Magic Johnson. Again, while not official, word is that Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban did not make the cut.
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Mark Cuban
is probably wondering who he has to kill to be allowed into the Good Old Boys club.
by MetsFan4Decades on Jan 28, 2012 11:39 AM EST reply actions
The answer to that question
is Bud Selig.
by BurleighGrimes on Jan 28, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
And probably a few owners, too.
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Jan 28, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
Beltran and the HoF
I think about this quite a bit, actually. He’s demonstrably better than Jim Rice and Andre Dawson, but probably on par with Larry Walker, Reggie Smith, or Kenny Lofton- he’ll be one of the many HoF-caliber outfielders whose chances will be squashed by factors completely unrelated to how great they were at baseball.
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I think Beltran has a real chance at the HoF
but only if he puts up a couple more really strong years, because his counting stats are not particularly eye-popping. As with any player for whom defense is a major part of their value, it’s hard to know how voters will value him.
In any case, I don’t think there’s any question he should go in as a Met. His tenure here was awesome, despite the injuries and whatever the haters may think.
by BurleighGrimes on Jan 28, 2012 12:04 PM EST reply actions
How Many All Star Games?
Looks like five with the Mets, one with the Royals. If it is a Hall of “Fame,” it appears he was more famous as a Met than as a Royal.
I loved watching Beltran in the field. He was so smooth, relaxed and grateful. You know what he reminded me of? Newsreel footage of DiMaggio. Somehow people appreciated that style more back in the day.
by WT Economist on Jan 28, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
I lulz'd at the Phillies signing of Pierre
they are burying the only exciting young player they have for one of the least exciting, oldest OFs in the game.
by BurleighGrimes on Jan 28, 2012 12:08 PM EST reply actions
The Phillies doing stupid things makes me happy
this turned my not so good day yesterday into a good one
He'll probably hit five home runs
What Would Matt Szczur Do?
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by Hoyadestroya85 on Jan 28, 2012 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
Haha, its nice to see their front office still has no idea what theyre doing
Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?
by KeithsMoustache on Jan 28, 2012 8:22 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Doesn't really have the numbers for the HoF
So maybe with a few more seasons of elite production, he can do it, but that is a stretch at this point. Even so, I doubt he goes in as a Met…7 years with the team, 3 of them were elite, 3 were poor, and the fourth ended in a trade. He became a star with the Royals, so I think he’d go in as one of them if enshrined.
"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell
I know you're not a Beltran guy, so I can see why you view his Mets career that way
but 3 poor seasons? I’ll give you 2005…that’s an obvious poor season for his standards. 06, 07, 08 and 11 were elite and I don’t see how you can hold it against him that 2011 ended in a trade. 09 and 10 are the seasons in question and frankly, I just can’t call them poor. Injury-riddled? Absolutely. However, he had an excellent half-season in 2009, putting up a .915 OPS and a 144 OPS+. And for all the hand-wringing about his “terrible” 2010, he still put up an above average 109 OPS+. Below standard? Sure, for his lofty standards. But certainly not poor, unless an above average season is poor (it’s not).
Not to mention that if the Mets had just let him go to the DL in early 2009 to rest the bone bruise on his knee instead of giving him a cortisone shot and telling him to play through it because we need to sell tickets, maybe that seemingly minor bruise wouldn’t have cost him those two half seasons.
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by Steve Schreiber on Jan 28, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
He had only
one poor season, 2010. Every other one he was above average at the worst.
Fred Wilpon acknowledged at this month's quarterly owners meetings in Paradise Valley, Ariz., that attendance revenue is a critical cog in being able to keep up with the team's debt obligations.
Boycott
"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell
I wonder how much attendance drop the Wilpons/Mets would be able to sustain
Without having to take on more debt or ultimately selling part or all of the team.
They drew about 2,375,000 people last year, about 30,000 a game. If you think they might average 3000-4000 less a game and only draw 2-2.1 million, could they hold on with that loss in revenue? If the team tanks right out of the gate and is out of it by June, revenues could be even lower.
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No way to tell unless we were in the Mets books
But that kind of cut sounds like it would be brutal. 3 or 4 hundred thousand fans is many millions in terms of ticket sales and concessions. My family cancelled our box seat season tickets last year, but if we could, we would do it again.
"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell
Not to mention that they've also cut ticket prices,
so they’re not only selling fewer tickets, but they’re bringing in even less revenue.
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Jan 28, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Ticket prices are a bit of a mirage
The real money is what’s spent once you’re in, with large markups on food, drink, and giant foam fingers. Also, even for folks who don’t show up, a good team will sell more licensed merchandise (read: free money) if the team is playing well. So yeah….
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by MookieTheCat on Jan 28, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
wow, i never even though about beltran in hof
So if he is in with a mets cap than number 15 will be up on that wall too.
by Shinjo Is God on Jan 28, 2012 2:24 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I assume that was sarcastic.
It’s a good thing the Red Sox didn’t base Carl Yastrezemski’s entire career on his popup to end the one game playoff with the Yankees. It’s also a good thing we all realize there’s no such thing as clutch, so there’s no reason to penalize a player for not being clutch.
Mike Piazza must suck too.
He flew out to center field to end the 2000 World Series. Lousy, steroid-munching, bacne infested choker!
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by Steve Schreiber on Jan 28, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't forget blond event!
Piazza did the blond thing and I’m pretty sure using hair dye is a violation of the HOF’s morality guide.
by Shinjo Is God on Jan 28, 2012 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
He's definitley, definitley, definitley not gay, though
For whatever that’s worth.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 28, 2012 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
Because I know, when I think Mike Piazza, that's the first thing I think of!
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 28, 2012 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
Eh, Piazza actually swung the bat
which is what Beltran should have done.
Beltran had 95 walks to 96 Ks that year with a .388 OBP
He had sterling plate selection and discipline. If Wainwright’s curve had broken just a bit sharper, it might not have caught the corner of the zone, and had he swung through a pitch he should’ve taken, the course of history might have been altered.
But the constant between the two universes is WFAN-trolls #BlamingBeltran either way, so the point is moot.
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I actually don't blame Beltran
he screwed up one at bat, and it was a big one, but it’s just one.
I mostly blame David Wright, who went .160/276/320 for the series.
That’s just horrible.
by aronofsky40 on Jan 29, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
I don't like to blame individual players for postseason losses
It’s one good team against another, and the Cardinals played better than us. Baseball is a two-outcome game, so in order for Wright to have performed badly, the Cards’ pitchers had to have performed well, and that’s all there is to that.
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I don't blame any one player for a postseason series
Hitters fail a lot in general. Blaming a guy like Beltran for one AB is completely ridiculous..but even picking at one series isn’t right IMO. You are talking 7 games at most in a postseason series…20-something AB…way too small of a sample IMO..there are so many variables involved. 2-3 ABs ending differently can put a pretty big swing in the numbers one way or another, but wouldn’t necessarily have a big effect on the outcomes of any of the games.
I do however make an exception for Mota though, Mostly b/c I don’t like him, had the feeling of impending doom once I heard he was on the postseason roster, and felt like him blowing Game 2 was a huge turning point.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 29, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
Bad comparison
Carl Yas has like 50 more WAR than Beltran. You cannot compare the two.
In twice as many games
They’re actually remarkably similar otherwise. 2 point difference in career wOBA,6 points in wRC+ and both excellent fielders. Playing time matters, but if Beltran got near 14000 plate appearances, he’d end up with 100+ WAR too
by Evan_S on Jan 29, 2012 5:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hopefully Picard wins
the summary judgment. One more nail in the coffin of the Wilpon regime.
If Carlous Beltran (61.7 fWAR) is a hall of famer
then Keith Hernandez (61.8), John Olerud (61.3). and Robin Ventura (61.2) are as well.
Just pointing that out.
Their Career WAR is not going any higher
Beltran can get up into the 70’s
Then you argument
is that Beltran is not YET a hall of famer, if he retired today?
by aronofsky40 on Jan 29, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
Beltran has also played almost his entire career in CF,
which is a premium position. Hernandez and Olerud were 1Bs who were excellent hitters, but hurt by their relative lack of power. Not to mention his all-around game is far superior to theirs, as he has the highest SB% of any player in history with 300 attempts.
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Jan 29, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
This is false
because WAR takes into account all of that.
To date, they have all had careers just as valuable as Beltran.
If Beltran plays a few more years, he might significantly surpass them. But not yet.
by aronofsky40 on Jan 29, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
I know WAR accounts for position,
but I would wager that Beltran’s WAR ranks higher among CFs than Olerud’s and Hernandez’ rank among 1Bs. That was my point.
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Jan 29, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Good call...
Based on all-time Fangraphs WAR, Carlos Beltran currently ranks 19th among all center fielders in WAR with 61.7, while Keith ranks 28th and Olerud ranks 30th among all time first basemen. And Beltran’s still got plenty of time to surpass some of the guys in front of him. With a healthy, productive season in 2012 he easily will pass HOFer Andre Dawson and Willie Davis and should end up close to the Kenny Lofton, HOFer Max Carey, HOFer Richie Ashburn and Jim Edmonds group.
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by Steve Schreiber on Jan 29, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
BU BU BUT THAT DOESN'T COUNT!
He’ll be playing mainly right field, it doesn’t count. Plus he struck out that one time.
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Ok
I care more about where players rank against all players, not players at their position. That’s just my personal way of viewing it.
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