How Bad Will The Mets Be In 2012?

And the closest thing to an AL caliber offense there is in the NL, makes this a good time to look to the future. With this said, I think the Mets can compete with the rest of the division if Johan is able to meet the high end of expectations. Nothing short of acquiring Felix Hernandez will allow us to compete with the 3 headed beast in Philly though.

Thole better, full season of Ike, full season of murph, tejada will regress a little full season, Wright better, Bay better, Torres is a better player than Pagan, full season of Duda and I think he’ll progress, hopefully we get some of Santana, Pelfrey will be better, Niese will be better, Dickey will be Dickey, Gee will be better hopefully if he regains his command, Bullpen is infinitely better than it was game 162. Defense is better and park is smaller. Not to mention possibility of late season contributions from some good prospects.

I am optimistic about this season.

Look at what we lost, Beltran, Reyes, K-Rod and a few others. What did we gain? The real question is what did the NL East gain, ALOT!!! We are the worst team in th eNL East and have little to no hope for that to change anytime soon. I had hope, yes false hope, but hope that past few seasons, “IF, Beltran, :IF” REYES, “IF” Santana, “IF” Bay, now, what do we have? I just wish we could forfeit the season and move on, it is gonna be a long and painful thing to watch.

This year, will be the first year that I will not even give a cent to the Wilpons. And it feels good.

Didn’t this team score a decent amount of runs last year? With Wright and Davis both healthy I do not see why they cannot match it again. If the bullpen has been improved, as it looks to have been improved

you never know about bullpens. they are entirely unpredictable

the return of Brian Stokes

very very good way of putting it. I would prob go 70-85 though. there’s just no way this is a sub-70 win team. They’re strong at too many positions. offensively anyway. but the defense did get better as well.

After all, wasn’t that really the big story in 2011? The Mets don’t have to pay Ollie, Louie and Beltran anymore, although in Beltran’s case not having him hurts. Absent Madoff, if Reyes was resigned, the Mets could have been contenders in 2013. The Mets could have eaten Bay’s contract if need be. Not now. The Mets need to get every contract off the books before they can hit bottom and start moving up.

As for Sandy, do we really know why he is here? How about this: Selig sent him to cut spending and make sure MLB gets its money back. If the Mets have to sponge off the other teams they sure aren’t going to bid against them, friend of Bud or no friend of Bud. Bud will try to help the Wilpons keep the team, or sell it for a decent price. That requires profits. Which requires a payroll of $40 million or less until the team starts to win and revenues go up.

We are gonna suck so bad it’ll make a black hole look like a cheap vacuum.

The Mets will be a good hitting team, lack starting pitching, and give up a lot on defense in the infield and right field. They will lose a lot of high scoring games as the front line pitching is mediocre. They will be in the mix for a last place finish with the Nationals.
Two years from now, they could have the two excellent starting pitchers and add others from the minors who have talent. They could be the next Tampa Bay. If they tank early in the year and are way out of first by the All Star break, the team will lose even more money and they will have to go further into debt. I predict that even with a freindly piggy bank at MLB.the team will be sold in 2012 but after the seaon is over.

I live about 5 hoyrs away from CitiField, in 2006 I went to 6 games, plus, a playoff game. In 2007 I bought a Pedro Saturday Pack, so that I coul dget tickets to the playoffs and World Series..hahahahah, well we know how that turned out. Since 2007 I have only made that 10 hour, several hundred dollar trip to a METS game ONCE. That was to the first game ever against the Red Sox when CitiField opened. When this team starts to compete again, and, put a good quality team on the field, I will start attending more games, and, perhaps, purchase a saturday ticket plan, until then, forget it. I am not even sure if I will pay $300 for MLB TV this year. We should forfeit 2012 and spar us all the pain.

Wilpons may not need to sell and should not have to. the money was spent on this team – however unwisely – when it was there.

A real estate meltdown and a big loss in a Ponzi scheme put then on their heels. Why the personal hate?

Maybe fans going to games, the Picard mess wrapping up, some minority sales and an improving real estate market will get their financial house in order.

Or maybe they sell and we get a jerk of an owner like Donlan.
I am not boycotting anything – I am going to root for the laundry and take advantage of easy to get cheap tickets.

I have enough corporate drama in real life – I don’t need to make my favorite sport a “cause”.

See you on the otehr side.

1. Amazing Avenue (from contributors to posters) helping me survive the nuclear winter that is the next few years
2. Paying more attention to the rest of the league
3. Smelling the elephant shit waft out of my television every time I decide to put on a Mets game while I knit sweaters for family, friends, and co-workers
4. Our minor league system and Toby Hyde and Kevin Goldstein’s minor league reports
5. Eh, what the hell. Ike, David and Johan too.

I wish there was a shared respect for both perspectives…

This team is going to be forever hamstrung until the Wilpons go. Please don’t trot out the canard “well the Rays only spend $5 dollars every year and look how they do!” That argument is beyond stupid when 60 million dollars is tied up among 3 players.

This is New York, everything is ridiculously overpriced. Fans have a right to expect their sports teams to operate accordingly.

Seeing the team struggle b/c the Wilpons are going to fight-and-claw to keep their hands on this franchise is nothing we should be happy about. And we should speak up. And there’s a lot to be said about simply not going and not watching.

That said, it’s baseball. I watch and enjoy baseball precisely because it’s apolitical and I can shut out the unpleasantness of the outside world. I really don’t want to think about investing energy into occupying Citi Field. And I don’t begrudge anyone who cherishes the time spent with friends and family enjoying the game.

It’s an escape, not a street protest.

Love the Mets.

1. Ownership change.

2. 67-95, the same as 1980, when Wilpon bought them. What is old is new again, or something like that.