Mets Have Third-Lowest Percentage Of Negative fWAR Players Since 2002 - Beyond the Box Score

Only the Brewers and Red Sox have had a lower percentage of negative fWAR players — i.e., players who accrued a negative WAR for a season as measured by FanGraphs — than the Mets since 2002. So, yay!

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are they sure?

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by astromets on Jan 31, 2012 9:25 PM EST reply actions 1 recs

I see, this is a percentage thing

I want to see the actual numbers

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by astromets on Jan 31, 2012 9:27 PM EST up reply actions

Just looking quickly at the last few years

There’s only six position players since 2008 that meet the 100 PA criteria:

Willie Harris (2011)
Ruben Tejada (2010)
Alex Cora (2010)
Jeremy Reed (2009)
Fernando Martinez (2009)
Marlon Anderson (2008)

Most of the guys you’d expect to be on there either didn’t get 100 PA (Gary Mathews Jr, Mike Jacobs, basically the entire 2009 Mets opening day lineup) or weren’t negative (Francoeur was +0.6 in 2010 believe it or not). Also it looks like this is just position players not all players so that certainly helped the Mets.

by joma16 on Jan 31, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions

did you mean the 2010 opening day lineup? that was a legendary collection of awful.

I mean truly,
1. SS Alex Cora
2. 2B Luis Castillo
3. 3B David Wright
4. 1B Mike Jacobs
5. LF Jason Bay
6. CF Gary Matthews Jr.
7. RF Jeff Francoeur
8. C Rod Barajas
9. SP Johan Santana

That is just too tragic to not be funny

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by KeithsMoustache on Feb 1, 2012 1:37 AM EST up reply actions

I am not flagging you

but that lineup is flagged. It is a clear hate crime against Met fans. There are 2 acceptable players on that lineup, and the second best hitter is the pitcher

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by astromets on Feb 1, 2012 1:41 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs

seriously it must rank amongst the worst opening day lineups ever

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by KeithsMoustache on Feb 1, 2012 1:56 AM EST up reply actions

I just realized what my 2012 slogan of the Mets should be:

“Let’s trot out another pathetic lineup!”

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by feslenraster on Feb 1, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions

at least it's not 2010

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by astromets on Feb 1, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions

this one isn't nearly as bad

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by KeithsMoustache on Feb 1, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions

I actually think our lineup has a chance at being above average.

Our pitching and defense will be terrible though. Go Dickey and Niese!

by FrancoTAU on Feb 2, 2012 12:21 AM EST up reply actions

i agree, our offense and bullpen will be terrific

but dragged down by a rotation of Dickey, Niese, and god help us

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by KeithsMoustache on Feb 2, 2012 1:28 AM EST up reply actions

To be fair, Bay was acceptable at the time.

Most people thought he’d at least have a good first season. But even then, we all knew Cora, Castillo, Jacobs, Matthews Jr., Francoeur and Barajas had no business starting.

by Evan_S on Feb 1, 2012 2:28 AM EST up reply actions

Most thought he wouldn't tank like he did

but know what we do now, yeaa

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by astromets on Feb 1, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions

Ringz?

K, bye

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 31, 2012 9:31 PM EST reply actions

Brewers at number one?

Didn’t see that coming. Outside of a couple of seasons, they’ve been pretty awful for much of the decade (56-106 in 2002).

37 - 14 - 41 - 31 - 17 - 42 - SHEA

by piazza62 on Jan 31, 2012 9:52 PM EST reply actions

Cue the Omar apologists

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by BlackOps on Jan 31, 2012 10:21 PM EST reply actions

Omar sucked, but he usually did a good job with bench bats

by psiogen on Jan 31, 2012 10:59 PM EST up reply actions

I think it's the opposite

If we had better peripheral players, 2006-2008 might have ended differently. That’s the bench and middle relief (not set-up/closer). The only real good bench guys I can remember are 2005 Marlon Anderson and Damian Easley.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 1, 2012 1:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions

Woodward FTW!

well, in 2005. He was terrible in ’06, on that list of negative fWAR.

Also, Endy, Castro and Tatis all were among the Mets leaders in fWAR from 2005-2010. Then there was Ruben Gotay too

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by astromets on Feb 1, 2012 1:40 AM EST up reply actions

Forgot about Endy and Tatis!

They got so much playing time, I don’t even think of them as bench players.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 1, 2012 1:54 AM EST via mobile up reply actions

It was mainly about the pitching depth

And we were hurt by a few poor decisions in acquiring starting position players (Shawn Green, Luis Castillo, Moises Alou). The bench guys in 2006-8 were mostly great: Valentin, Tatis, Pagan, Easley, Castro, Endy, Murphy, Evans, Gotay.

by psiogen on Feb 1, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions

Well in '08 pretty much everyone in the bullpen sucked.

by graves9 on Feb 1, 2012 4:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

you mean the starters disguised in wolf's clothing?

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by feslenraster on Feb 1, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions

The problems with Omar were more that he sucked once you got past the starting 8

We never had any depth but got lucky outside of 09 with avoiding injuries. I’m actually surprised that we didn’t have more 09 suckitude though.

by FrancoTAU on Jan 31, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions

I'm stunned that Julio Franco didn't make the cut

0.3 and 0 WAR for 06 and 07 for those who were wondering.

by FrancoTAU on Jan 31, 2012 11:06 PM EST reply actions

it's age-adjusted

he should have been an all-star

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by KeithsMoustache on Feb 1, 2012 1:37 AM EST up reply actions

The Mets stink

by aronofsky40 on Feb 1, 2012 12:35 AM EST reply actions

I am fairly surprised by this,

I would have guessed closer to third-highest.

by GilbertP on Feb 1, 2012 12:42 AM EST reply actions

can you say comeback city

unrealistic but worth it

by the mookie monster on Feb 1, 2012 2:35 AM EST reply actions

Dont call it a comeback

I think it's fine.

by NetsMets4Life on Feb 1, 2012 7:06 AM EST up reply actions

We didn't have many negative WAR players, but

1)It is considering only hitters (PA>100). During that span, we had a many problems with the pen and parts of the regular rotation posting between 0 and 0.5 WAR.
2)It would be interesting to study the position players with a higher PA threshold. We might have a lot of cases of regulars posting closer to 0.

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by Michkin on Feb 1, 2012 7:06 AM EST reply actions