A New Year, A New Ronny Applesauce: Mets Close To Signing Another Ronny From Pittsburgh, Also Bringing Back Scott Hairston, More CRG Reaction
Meet the Mets
The Mets' bench for 2012 is beginning to come together, as the team is rumored to be nearing agreements with a pair of players. Former Cubs/Pirates shortstop Ronny Cedeno is rumored to be closing in on a one year, $1.15 million deal to back up Ruben Tejada and Daniel Murphy. Cedeno isn't much of a hitter (career 68 OPS+, 76 OPS+ in 2011) but the soon to be 29 year old is known for a solid glove and the numbers seem to back that up, as he's been just a tick below average, with a -1.6 UZR/150 in 4500 innings at the position.
The other bench piece nearing a deal with the team is a familiar face. Scott Hairston looks like he'll spend a second year as the Mets' resident lefty masher off the bench. With these two signings, it'll be interesting to see A) who the front office knocks off the 40-man roster in the coming days and B) who will ultimately be on the bench come Opening Day. With Hairston, Cedeno and a backup catcher (Nickeas?) as locks and Justin Turner probably another near lock (barring a trade), that should leave one more spot which would probably go to another outfielder. I'm not sure who that would be, but it looks like it won't be Willie Harris. Willie seems like a good guy but let's just say I'm not exactly disappointed over here.
The hiring of CRG Partners was, not surprisingly, a big story on Friday, as there was plenty of reaction to the news that Amazin' Avenue's own Eno Sarris broke on Thursday evening. The team took to Twitter to reiterate that despite CRG's connection to the Texas Rangers' bankruptcy in 2010, the consulting group was hired by the Mets only to "review and analyze financial statements, projections, budgets and forecasts." Further, the team's beat writers echoed positivity regarding the current ownership's uncertain future.
Around the Majors
Chicago police are investigating claims that Cubs shortstop Starlin Castro sexually assaulted a woman. Charges have not been filed yet but according to the accusations, which have been denied by Castro's representatives, the assault was said to have occurred in September. Yeesh. Meanwhile, the Tigers' Miguel Cabrera avoided jail time by pleading no contest to the charges of DUI in Florida last year.
There was a trade made on Friday, as the Cubs acquired first baseman Anthony Rizzo from the Padres, along with minor league pitcher Zach Cates, in exchange for pitcher Andrew Cashner and minor league outfielder Kyung-Min Na. Rizzo, a top prospect who was a key part of the Padres' return in last year's Adrian Gonzalez trade, became expendable when the Pads acquired Yonder Alonso last month. It looks like the acquisition of Rizzo will effectively remove the Cubs from the Prince Fielder chase.
Cardinals pitching coach Dave Duncan is taking a leave of absence from the team to be with his wife as she recovers from brain surgery and will be replaced by Derek Lilliquist. Best wishes to the Duncan family for a quick recovery.
The Angels signed infielder Jorge Cantu to a minor league deal. His career has completely fallen off the map over the past two seasons but I still hate that guy from his Marlins' days.
New Marlins' pitcher Mark Buehrle, a dog lover and owner of four dogs, is not able to live anywhere near the Marlins' new stadium because Miami-Dade County apparently has a ban on pitbulls. It's a shame that the county doesn't have a ban on this Pitbull.
Want to support the infamous "mystery team"? Now you can buy their apparel! Alternatively, this team could probably be called the "Nick Evans All-Stars" but come to think of it, I don't even know who that is. Oh well.
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That pitbull ban is absurd
Those dogs have been demonized to such a ridiculous extent. There are about 30 dog attack fatalities per year in America. There are over 300,000,000 of us. You are more likely to get struck by lightning 17 times in a single year than you are to die from a dog :P
Of those fatalities
“Studies indicate that pit bull-type dogs were involved in approximately a third of human DBRF (i.e., dog bite related fatalities) reported during the 12-year period from 1981 through1992, and Rottweilers were responsible for about half of human DBRF reported during the 4 years from 1993 through 1996….[T]he data indicate that Rottweilers and pit bull-type dogs accounted for 67% of human DBRF in the United States between 1997 and 1998. It is extremely unlikely that they accounted for anywhere near 60% of dogs in the United States during that same period and, thus, there appears to be a breed-specific problem with fatalities.” (Sacks JJ, Sinclair L, Gilchrist J, Golab GC, Lockwood R. Breeds of dogs involved in fatal human attacks in the United States between 1979 and 1998. JAVMA 2000;217:836-840.)
I am a dog owner and my father bred German Shepard Guard dogs.
It’s an interesting discussion.
@JavaJoeX
I’ve read in some other places (sorry, no link), that dogs are often “mis-classified” as pit bulls when reports are filed. In one extreme case, it was actually a chihuahua mix.
Additionally, the pit bulls that are raised to be guard/fighting dogs are raised that way because the breed has certain physical characteristics, not because of some sort of mental aspect that makes them more likely to fight. If you raise a dog properly, things like that just aren’t going to happen.
I’ve seen far more loving, people-pleasing pit bulls than the other way around and think laws banning specific breeds of dogs are just absolute hokum. If you want to prevent dog attacks, then enforce laws that require dogs to be properly cared for.
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I could get behind the other Pitbull ban, however
"Anybody with ability can play in the big leagues. But to be able to trick people year in and year out the way I did, I think that was a much greater feat." -Bob Uecker
"Who is the girl in the dugout, with the long hair? What's going on here? You have got to be kidding me. Only player personnel in the dugout. I won't say that women belong in the kitchen, but they don't belong in the dugout." -Kieth Hernandez
Our Pitbull
We picked up a dog from the shelter. Our choices were pitbull, pitbull, pitbull, pitbull, lab mix. So we said we’ll take the lab mix. Well, guess what it was mixed with?
She’s a great dog. Really, really great, with none of the negative traits associated with pitbulls, but many of the positive ones. She’s smaller than either a lab or pitbull, but large enough to be a real dog, with short black hair to minimize shedding. And as a non-pure bred she is very healthy.
Bottom line — pitbulls were bred to be what they are, and they could be cross-bred to be different with a little work.
by WT Economist on Jan 7, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
It might just be the Brian Wilson home run
But I really like Scott Hairston, and I"m glad he’ll be back.
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Good Non-Stars Past Their Prime
May be the new market inefficiency. The market will still overpay for declining stars, while giving nothing to guys like this.
by WT Economist on Jan 7, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Cedeno won't have much of a effect on the record one way or another
He’s a bench player no reason to overreact.
by graves9 on Jan 7, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Non-Bankruptcy Explanation of CRG
“The consulting group was hired by the Mets only to “review and analyze financial statements, projections, budgets and forecasts.”
The consultants were hired after a great deal of outside analysis, here and then in the MSM, of the Mets financial situation. The immediate conclusion was that the Mets have been unable to sell minority shares, bankruptcy may be coming, and now that the possibility has been raised, the minority shares will surely not sell.
Other possibility: the Mets had the deals lined up, but the questions raised about the team caused the potential buyers to get cold feet. The Mets are not a publicly traded company subject to SEC disclosure, the Wilpons as majority partner would have all the information and all the power, and the buyers might have been worried that the Wilpons might have been desperate enough to keep the team to cut some corners.
The alternative explanation is that CRG was hired because would-be investors demanded it, to to provide assurances about the Mets finances, plans, and prospects, and a fallback plan of sale if things don’t work out. Thus, hiring CRG is part of getting the investment, not a reaction to not getting it. The third party oversight of CRG would report directly to the minority partners as well as the Wilpons.
This corresponds with the idea that Alderson is with the Mets to protect the interests of MLB as much as the Mets — keep them from imploding, get the MLB loan back, etc. He may be reporting directly to Selig as well as to the Wilpons.
In summary, rather than new ownership, we may be in a period of Wilpons plus babysitters running the team. Hopefully, it will work out as well as it did for the Yankees when Steinbrenner was put on ice for a few years and the baseball people could build the team up.
"review and analyze financial statements, projections, budgets and forecasts."
U-huh, sure. i wonder what Angel pagan thinks of this statement?

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by ScottfromPeekskill on Jan 7, 2012 12:54 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
"The boat is fine!
We didn’t hit any iceberg, and even if we did, the boat would be able to sustain any impact. Anyone who says otherwise is a liar."
- Fred Wilpon from the Titanic
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by Dandy Salderson on Jan 7, 2012 1:06 PM EST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
"We just hired this rescue crew
to help us continue sailing smoothy! Carry on, nothing to see here."
by BurleighGrimes on Jan 7, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
IT'S OVER
This is just more of the same old same. We sign over the hill guys and average/below guys for the bench and then act shocked when we win only 70 games. I know that the team has money problems, but, they make money when the team wins. The poor excuse for a team that we now have is NOT going to win anything. We may find ourselves in a battle with the Pirates for the team in the NL with the worst record.
I wished when you said you were going to stop watching
you meant it. Please, go.
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by piazza62 on Jan 7, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I actually enjoy these mini-rants
I guess that’s only because of the lovely withering replies, but whatever
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf. "
– Tug McGraw when asked about his preference for grass or astroturf
The 4,927th way you put it
really added some new perspective for me
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Dream goal!
by Aidan Gibson on Jan 7, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
No more
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 7, 2012 2:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You're hilarious and nobody is as bad as the Astros
The Mets likely won’t be good but nowhere near as bad as that talentless team.
I'd add that the Pirates now aren't even as bad as we are all accustomed to them being
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf. "
– Tug McGraw when asked about his preference for grass or astroturf
But who cares?
If you aren’t a playoff contender, your season is garbage. It doesn’t really matter if it’s quite as garbage as the astros. Still garbage.
So if the Mets were even worse than the Astros
you wouldn’t be any more unhappy with the team than you are currently?
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf. "
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by Terry_is_God on Jan 8, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
Sounds like Yankee fan talk to me.
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Jan 9, 2012 2:04 AM EST up reply actions
The outrage is really over the top...
We have no money to spend because it is locked up in the players already on our roster because of the crappy signings by the Omar regime and our owners were dumb enough to invest into a ponzi scheme.
Sandy is hamstrung and is doing the best he can with the resources he has.
Everyone knew that this year would be a loss. We need money to come off the books in the form of the albatross Santana and Bay contracts and/or a new ownership group if we want to spend.
Until then it will be mediocrity or worse, unless Sandy can build a miracle team or some of our prospects break into the MLB.
Time to deal with it.
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by TKFJ on Jan 7, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
A rational and spot on rebuttal.
Who hacked TKFJ’s account?
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by Steve Schreiber on Jan 7, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
I was about to say the same thing
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf. "
– Tug McGraw when asked about his preference for grass or astroturf
Why did we just sign Quintanilla
Then spend more on Cedeno? Being as financially strapped as the Mets are I feel that money would be better spent on depth in the rotation. Boo this move. Alex Cora revisited.
If they added rotation depth
you would have “booed” that move too. If they signed any starting pitcher less than CJ Wilson (which would have been a bad investment), you would have something nasty to say about that too. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
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No i wouldn't
How do you know? I just think its 1.1 or 1.2 million that could have been better spent. Just my opinion. I also don’t think what I said was too nasty. But I reiterate, boo this move.
Oh yeah, this is certainly Alex Cora revisited
except for the fact that Cedeno’s a decade younger and better offensively and defensively than Cora and being paid half as much money.
Yup, it's exactly the same.
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by Steve Schreiber on Jan 7, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
Meh, Same to me
He will be forced to play too much and do too little just like Alex Cora. I guess it doesn’t matter anyway, most likely not competitive with our without Ronny Cedeno. Also the difference in salary is completely irrelevant when you don’t have any more money to spend
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the difference in salary is completely irrelevant when you don’t have any more money to spend
Huh? If you only have, let’s say $10M to spend for the entire offseason, wouldn’t paying a guy $1M instead of $4M be a bigger deal than if you had, I don’t know $30M to spend?
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Yeah I guess dumb comparison
I just would prefer a better stick guy for the bench
Well, according to fangraphs Ronny Cedeno has been worth
$4.5 and then $6.4 million dollars in 2010 and 2011 respectively, whereas Cora was worth $0.4 million dollars the year before his $2 deal (with insane vesting option, don’t forget).
When signing a backup that is somewhere between replacement level and league-average the difference of $1 is the difference between overpaying or not, as is the difference of a .3 WAR player (Cora’s average the 2 years before his contract) and a 1.25 WAR player (Cedeno’s average the 2 years before this contract).
There is also the rest of the market to consider; when Cora was signed, other, better MI backups were signing in the $800,000-1mill range; Omar said ALEX CORA IS A WINNAH and gave him an extra million bucks for his FAR (frowns above replacement), basically.
I mean, let’s be real — Ronny Cedeno might up being as terrible a player as Cora was in 2010 for the Mets, or even worse. But this deal is certainly not as ugly.
by BurleighGrimes on Jan 7, 2012 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
True
It was a rash comparison, I apologize. Just wanted a stronger hitting bench. I guess I was focusing too much on Cedeno spelling Tejada, a glove first early twenties guy who won’t really need many days off instead of spelling Murph who is the opposite. I will keep my nonsense in check.
haha, no need to apologize!
it’s not nonsense — we’re all arguing about Ronny Cedeno cuz we are all pretty much aware that we are staring at another 75 win season…
at least signing Cedeno types doesn’t limit flexibility going forward, a la Cora and the vest.
by BurleighGrimes on Jan 7, 2012 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
a bench has to have versatility
some offense, some defense. I think Hairston was the offense/late inning pop signing. Cedeno is the skinny, middle infield gloveman signing.
by BurleighGrimes on Jan 7, 2012 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
ugh, i know he's an adequate defensive backup and all
but I just really don’t like the idea of using a roster spot on Ronny Cedeno. Watching him swing a bat is an exercise in futility.
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by KeithsMoustache on Jan 7, 2012 9:44 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Dear Mets,
Please trade the Rays one of your plentiful, major league first basemen.
Love,
Rays fan Sandals
Dear AA,
Is there a realistic deal you would be willing to make with the Rays that would be sense for both teams? Please share!
Love,
former NYer Sandals
What could be better than Dan Johnson
hitting .108
Let's trade Reddick for Heyward! 
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by QW on Sep 28, 2011 9:47 PM CDT
You can send us either Price or Shields
for one of Valentino Pascucci, Mo Vaughn’s contract, Jason Phillips’ goggles, or Ike Davis Dog. You can send us both and you can get Ike David, your 1st and 3b of the future.
"Let them be stud muffins"
-Tom Seaver
Proud Mets, Jets, Knicks, Islanders fan.
Ike Davis Dog and Ike David are not for sale, as far as I'm concerned.
The Rays can have head trainer Ray Ramirez, Speedo-wearing beat writer Andy Martino and PiazzaHOF instead.
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by Steve Schreiber on Jan 7, 2012 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
Can we have Ron, Keith, and Gary?
You can keep the guy in the stands. Kevin?
What could be better than Dan Johnson
hitting .108
Let's trade Reddick for Heyward! 
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by QW on Sep 28, 2011 9:47 PM CDT
by SandalsNoPants on Jan 7, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
GKR and Ralph are untouchable
I’d do a swap of Jeff Niemann or Wade David for Fran Healy and we non-tendered Wayne Hagin if you’re looking to buy low on someone truly awful.
"Let them be stud muffins"
-Tom Seaver
Proud Mets, Jets, Knicks, Islanders fan.
Is Joe Beningo (sp?) available?
What could be better than Dan Johnson
hitting .108
Let's trade Reddick for Heyward! 
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by QW on Sep 28, 2011 9:47 PM CDT
by SandalsNoPants on Jan 8, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
YES!
I mean, well, gee, I don’t know. He sure does a lot for us. He’s a valuable member of SNY. You’d have to send a nice package in return.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
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by Ogre39666 on Jan 8, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Is he on SNY?
I liked him on 660.
What could be better than Dan Johnson
hitting .108
Let's trade Reddick for Heyward! 
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by QW on Sep 28, 2011 9:47 PM CDT
by SandalsNoPants on Jan 8, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
Bro!

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WHO'S KIDDING WHO?
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 8, 2012 5:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
There's no possible way you've ever lived here
"Let them be stud muffins"
-Tom Seaver
Proud Mets, Jets, Knicks, Islanders fan.
Really.
What could be better than Dan Johnson
hitting .108
Let's trade Reddick for Heyward! 
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by QW on Sep 28, 2011 9:47 PM CDT
by SandalsNoPants on Jan 8, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
Give me five dollars from your wallet and he's yours.
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by Steve Schreiber on Jan 8, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
How did you know the contents of my wallet???
What could be better than Dan Johnson
hitting .108
Let's trade Reddick for Heyward! 
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by QW on Sep 28, 2011 9:47 PM CDT
by SandalsNoPants on Jan 8, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
Big move by Mets!
I only check up on the Mets to see when they will finally go up for sale. None of our transactions in the last year or so are to make the team better. They just dump salary and sign AAAA players for us to watch. We do need them though cause our starters are always fighting for a spot on the DL. Its the same old story every year since they moved to this new stadium. David Wright should be traded for one top flight prospect, his production had been declining every year. I dont see any reason for him returning to form. Jason Bay? He is the worst starting outfielder in the whole league. He is a .250 hitter with no power and below average defense. I can explain why. Maybe him and Wright should trade their estrogen supplements for some Roids. i will end this with a positive remark now. We have a fine group of arms in the minor leagues now. I hope a few of them pan out.
Bay
As someone with less than 3 WAR over the last two seasons, I’d say yep, he’s among the very worst outfielders in MLB right now.
Thank you for your 'unique' insight.
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by BobbyV_Incognito on Jan 8, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
At the end of the day
It doesn’t really matter who plays on the bench of a playoff non-contender – right?
Yeah, basically.
People are making a big deal out of (mostly) nothing.
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by Steve Schreiber on Jan 8, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions

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