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Time for the unrealistic optimism/Lying to ourselves to begin

Hey fellas! It's been a while.

After the denials and obvious lies about where payroll would be and how the Madoff scandal would not affect the day to day operations we saw that the Mets, who love to send e-mail blasts to keep fans informed of every move, keep showing up in the news due to leaked information regarding the the severity of their financial circumstances. From a pure baseball perspective though, looking at the product on the field from Terry Collins to the 25th man the elements are there to produce false hope yet again.

The good....

Potential day to day balance: In the infield anchored by cornermen Ike Davis and Dubs (for now) I see potential for monster production. I know we lost perhaps the best SS in the game but most teams need to give a focus to defense in the middle infield and I think the combo of Ruben Tejada and Daniel Murphy/Justin Turner will perform well enough defensively and Murphy can put them over the top offensively as a middle infield tandem. Overall I would call it slightly above average if everything breaks right.

The outfield: If the Lucas Duda of last year and the Jason Bay of September show up we can be as solid as anyone at the corner outfield positions. Andres Torres represents a defensive upgrade over Angel Pagan who as talented as he may be seemed to get in his own way at times. Should be good enough in a best case scenario.

Bullpen: I love this bullpen. This is where we excel I believe. I think were truly in a position to shorten the game to 6 innings and between Ramon Ramirez, Tim Byrdak, Manny Acosta, Bobby Parnell, Jon Rauch and Frank Francisco get the final nine outs consistently.

Starters: This can be good or bad yet potentially great as well. Johan Santana has not pitched in the majors since late in the 2010 season and if he makes the opening day start will have had about a year and a half on the shelf. Is that enough? Will it ever be enough? The injury type is scary and he may never be able to string together consistent starts or even make consecutive starts and handle the workload expected of him. If he is able to start 28 to 32 games next year and get his fast ball up to at least 89 mph I think he can savvy his way to 180 innings and an ERA around 3.25. Dickey will be I believe as solid a number 2 as you can expect. 200 innings plus, solid ERA and a guy that helps the starter behind him by screwing up the timing of opposing lineups. Jon Niese needs to take a step forward this year. We all see the potential but he needs to live up to it this year. The strong bullpen will help him as they will be able to pull him quicker and save games before they get out of control which seemed to happen a lot to him last year late in his starts. Mike Pelfrey has gone from last years number 1 to this years number 4. That alone will help as he will less often be matched up against the aces of the league. I really think the reduced margin for error that comes with being a number one affected Pelfrey negatively. I could see a solid bounce back on the point alone. Dillon Gee seemed to become a punching bag around here last year. He was inconsistent but there was some good in there for stretches. He may not be 22 or 23 years old be he still is young and if he shows confidence in all his pitches and stops nibbling so much can resemble the Gee from the first half of last year. Last year was his rookie year so coming back this year with the workload under his belt and after learning what worked and what didn't I believe he's a smart enough guy to figure it out. He should at least be a decent number 5.

The Bad....

Catcher: Thole has regressed as a hitter I believe. After a nice start to his career I believe the poor defense is starting to affect the offense and although he put together a few nice stretches last year this is the position most in need of an upgrade. Rob Johnson and Mike Nickeas do nothing for me.

The Ugly....

The financial picture may mean losing Dubs at the trading deadline. I would say thats probably a lock to happen especially if the team is way out of it early. We can only hope that this team is competitive early and able to produce enough revenue to prevent that.

Overall I have to say I feel good to know the season is right around the corner. I love to watch good or bad for better or worse and as the saying goes ya never know. Worse case scenario at least my Knicks and Giants are competitive!!!

Poll
How many games do the Mets win next season?
70 or less
13 votes
71 to 79
65 votes
80 to 85
17 votes
86 to playoffs
10 votes

105 votes | Poll has closed

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Blind Lying to one's self...

works every time.

Yogi on the 1969 NY Mets....." overwhelming underdogs "

by SuperSantana on Jan 8, 2012 11:56 AM EST reply actions  

Keep in mind that trading Wright voids his option for 2013,

so if he does get traded, it’s just a rental, which is why I think he doesn’t get traded. At least not this year.

"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."

by BobbyV_Incognito on Jan 8, 2012 12:43 PM EST reply actions  

Can we pick up his option,

and then trade him next off-season?

by GilbertP on Jan 8, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

We could, but he'd have only the one year left, which limits his value.

"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."

by BobbyV_Incognito on Jan 8, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I believe that the only thing holding the Mets back from playoffs

is a bad starting rotation. Dickey should be a lock for 200 great innings, but Niese and Santana are injury questions, and after them who do we have? Mike Pelfrey? Dillon Gee? Chris Schwinden? That does not sound like a playoff rotation to me.

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by Bobby Baseball on Jan 8, 2012 12:45 PM EST reply actions  

LOL

I initially read “Dickey should be a lock for 200 great wins”

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on Jan 8, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

You're also assuming the offense will be fine

When Tejada, Thole, Bay, Torres, and Pitcher’s spot could faceplant again. And that’s hoping Wright, Ike, Murphy, Duda are sure things.

"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell

by Rey-O on Jan 8, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Does it really matter?

The offense will be fine, but this is not the offense we are going to take into the postseason either way. Anything can happen but I don’t think the next Met champion will have an outfield anything like this.

"Let them be stud muffins"
-Tom Seaver
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by piazza62 on Jan 8, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

that about the OF is an understatement. Hi, yes, i’ll take the upgrade please!

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by astromets on Jan 9, 2012 12:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Even if we could move Duda over to left

keep Torres in center and let Nieuwenhis play left, that would be a nice makeshift outfield that would be fun to watch until better prospects are ready. Bay ruins that too.

"Let them be stud muffins"
-Tom Seaver
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by piazza62 on Jan 9, 2012 1:28 AM EST up reply actions  

You're right.

Two leftfielders would be fun to watch.

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by Steve Schreiber on Jan 9, 2012 2:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

And useful

While the left fielders fight and fumble over the ball, firstthirdbaseman Ike David has time to get to the right bag!

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf. "

– Tug McGraw when asked about his preference for grass or astroturf

by Terry_is_God on Jan 9, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Also

it would enable them to run into one another with greater frequency. Jason Bay ITBDLOHL!

by Kepler on Jan 12, 2012 8:29 AM EST up reply actions  

and the rotation hurts a nice pen

we havepicked up some nice pieces for the bullpen, but if we can get the IP out of our starters they will become very hittable by the end of the season. we aren’t worse than last season, but on paper other teams are better.

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by Rickfansince76 on Jan 8, 2012 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

The way you designed your poll and the results say it all

Like most people, I chose 71-79 wins, but that’s rather a large window. All of these things you mention could go either way; I happen to be more pessimistic about some (if Santana produces 180 innings of 3.25 ERA work I will be stunned… elated but stunned) and a little more optimistic about others (I don’t think Thole’s getting worse, in fact I expect him to improve this year defensively and maybe offensively), but really, who knows?

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf. "

– Tug McGraw when asked about his preference for grass or astroturf

by Terry_is_God on Jan 8, 2012 7:04 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Your giving alot of confidence in that bullpen

Frsansico is a gas can. Think Fernado Rodney 2.0. Maybe moving to the NL east helps out or maybe not. Ramirez had a great yr last yr. Remeber this is the same guy Boston literally gave away because he was so bad. Again maybe he couldn’t handle the tough AL east and is a NL pitcher. But it’s like Pagan a few seasons ago. Had a break out year but no track record to sustain that production.

by TheKid08 on Jan 8, 2012 9:03 PM EST reply actions  

You're way off

The past three years, Francisco has had a 10.0 K/9 and a 3.3 K/BB. Compare that to Rodney’s 1.35 K/BB over the same time span, including a 7.9 BB/9 in 2011.

Excluding his sophomore campaign in Colorado, Ramirez has had at least a 136 ERA+ every year in his career. His bad half-season in Boston was due to a fluky spike in HRs allowed.

"Let them be stud muffins"
-Tom Seaver
Proud Mets, Jets, Knicks, Islanders fan.

by piazza62 on Jan 8, 2012 9:18 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I had Fransico on my FBB team last yr and watched and tracked every outing

He’s a head case. He can nail it down up 3 runs but when he has a 1 run lead it’s a different story. Or at least every game that I watched him pitch. Again maybe the weak NL benefits him. Ramirez I like I just don’t know if it was a career year or that is the norm for him. Plus Acosta, was last yr a “career yr” or can he sustain those numbers. Again like the rest of this team it’s the “If’s” with this team. All and all it should be MUCH better than last years pen.

by TheKid08 on Jan 8, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Relievers are by nature "ifs"

Unless their name is Mariano Rivera, all you have to go by is recent performance. It’s nice to have a Proven Closer™, but some times you end up with Mark Davis, when Jeff Montgomery would have done just fine.

"Let them be stud muffins"
-Tom Seaver
Proud Mets, Jets, Knicks, Islanders fan.

by piazza62 on Jan 8, 2012 11:17 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Its unaminous

2012 World Series Champs

2012 New York Mets, World Series Champions!

by astromets on Jan 9, 2012 12:52 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

this should be a fanpost

2012 New York Mets, World Series Champions!

by astromets on Jan 10, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

It all depends on Santana's health

and the Wilpons aren’t going to provide an alternative

by bob c on Jan 9, 2012 6:45 AM EST reply actions  

If Santana can throw half those innings at any kind of positive effectiveness

I’ll be surprised.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 9, 2012 9:06 AM EST reply actions  

If Bay has a monster first half

is there any chance of him being traded if the Mets picked up say half of next year’s money?

by deadspy3 on Jan 9, 2012 10:35 AM EST reply actions  

Maybe one in a million.

"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."

by BobbyV_Incognito on Jan 9, 2012 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

So you're telling me there's a chance?

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by Steve Schreiber on Jan 9, 2012 8:24 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

we find tom terrific 2.0

in wheeler…miss wc by 1 game. champtions 2013. the phanatic dies. victorino cries. we continue to own hammels

I hate Philadelphia so much.

by the caveman on Jan 9, 2012 9:59 PM EST via Android app reply actions  

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