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I'm a big time football fan, and long time basketball fan. I watched the Mets from the mid 80's until about 2005 and I gradually stopped watching. I started watching again during this past year while the NFL and NBA were on strike. I always have a love for the Mets despite their inept owners. I have a couple of questions of you other fans, because I know you will have more insight into a team you love, than a beat writer that has a moderate love of the Mets.

My memories range from good. The 86/87 Mets who had my all time favorite players Darrell Strawberry, Dwight Gooden, Mookie Wilson, Lenny Dykstra. Then We got to the 90's and I still watched guys like Al Leighter and Bobby Bonnilla. I really thought that Bobby was going to pan out, and he was just as good as Barry Bonds...

Anyway, my love of the Mets started to fade when they started to pick up players like Mike Piazza and Kenny Rodgers. By the time they signed Jason Bey, I was decided that this team was going the way of the Dodo. Either they wanted to be lost to evolution in a sea of mediocrity and free agency blunders.

Here's the thing. I am starting to get that old love of the Mets back. This is the reason. They are back to ground zero. Back to being cellar dwellers that will have to build from the ground up. I have always been one to respect building through draft and farm system over signing a guy that's 29 and had 1 or 2 good seasons. Below I'll address some questions I've had for a long while that I hope you experienced baseball guys know.

Star-divide

Jose Reyes was signed by the Marlins. He's been the face of the Mets despite David Wright being the backbone in my opinion. Assuming the Mets were going to re-sign him for 100+million over a couple of seasons, where is that money going now? Is there now 10 million in cap space a year they were planning on giving to Jose that's sitting out there for free agents?

Dan Murphy. I always thought he was a great hitter. It always seems like he's around .300 batting average, but he gets played at 2nd base, 1st base, I think I've even seen him at outfielder. He just got re-signed. What will be his every day spot? If it's 2nd base, will it be in a rotation, or can I expect him there for 140+ games?

Lucas Duda and Ike Davis. Both have played 1st base, but Duda was playing left field last year. I like both of those guys and I hope they continue to grow with this team. Is there any other position Ike can play besides 1st base?

If Carlos Beltran is gone who are the every day outfield for the Mets? Jason Bay moves to right field I'm guessing because Lucas Duda will play left. Who is the center fielder, because Pagan is gone as well.

What's the pitching rotation? I like Johan Santana coming back as the Ace. After him everyone else was vanilla. I like Dillon Gee, but outside of him who are the other 3 guys. Gee seems like a 3 or 4 pitcher in a rotation. What pitchers are out there that are reasonably priced? I like Mike Pelfrey and Jonothan Niece, but neither of them are overpowering. They could be a 4.9 ERA just as easily as a 3.2 ERA. Is there anyone that could provide veteran leadership and a low ERA? With this pitching staff I don't see a lot of dominating pitching performances, and winning will be on the bullpen and a good offense.

I heard John Rauch is replacing K Rod as the closer. What is his story, and what do you expect out of him?

Who is coming up from Triple A to play in the Majors? How does the Mets farm system compare to the other MLB baseball teams?

Lastly. I've never been impressed with Justin Turner. Am I alone on that one?

All in all, I don't see the Mets having a good year. Maybe a 80 win year at best, but I don't even see that happening. Good pitching always trumps good hitting. The Mets are average pitching unless the young guys can step up, and hitting they may be a little above average. I also don't think there's a lot of home runs coming from this group.

If you guys can help me out with my 101 questions I'd appreciate it.

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What’s the pitching rotation? I like Johan Santana coming back as the Ace.

Maybe. Who knows with the team docs. They’re probably harvesting his organs for vampires or something.

After him everyone else was vanilla. I like Dillon Gee, but outside of him who are the other 3 guys. Gee seems like a 3 or 4 pitcher in a rotation. What pitchers are out there that are reasonably priced? I like Mike Pelfrey and Jonothan Niece, but neither of them are overpowering. They could be a 4.9 ERA just as easily as a 3.2 ERA. Is there anyone that could provide veteran leadership and a low ERA?

Thou hast forsaken our lord and Savior, Ye mountain climber, R.A. Dickey. Everyone else is kind of uninspiring, yes. We still have hope that they sign Oswalt and Ed Jackson so we can compete in '12

With this pitching staff I don’t see a lot of dominating pitching performances, and winning will be on the bullpen and a good offense.

*nodding my head

I heard John Rauch is replacing K Rod as the closer. What is his story, and what do you expect out of him?

Negative, Ramon Ramirez is coming over from the Giants and is above average. Rauch is going to be a middle reliever.

Who is coming up from Triple A to play in the Majors? How does the Mets farm system compare to the other MLB baseball teams?

This year? Probably no one of any impact. Fernando Martinez has knee issues, Cap’n Kirk hasn’t been really knocking the cover off the ball, and outside of cups of coffee this September, I don’t think any of the pitchers will get MLB time. Overall the system is about average.

Lastly. I’ve never been impressed with Justin Turner. Am I alone on that one?

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by Cory Braiterman on Jan 9, 2012 3:16 PM EST reply actions  

I was going to post the same thing

troll?

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by astromets on Jan 10, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

How the hell does the acquistation of Mike Piazza cause your love for the team to fade?

I also love how you bunched him in with Kenny Rodgers. I find it funny that you’re impressed with dreck like Turner and don’t like Piazza.

by graves9 on Jan 9, 2012 3:36 PM EST reply actions  

I think he said he's ~never~ been impressed with Turner

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf. "

– Tug McGraw when asked about his preference for grass or astroturf

by Terry_is_God on Jan 9, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Oops

Anyway I don’t get the Piazza hate.

by graves9 on Jan 9, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Mike Piazza got more fame and kudos than he deserved

He was good, but was treated like he was great. He wasn’t even a good catcher. He was always bottom of the league at catching base runners. He was just a big bat with bad knees.

by manuvsteal on Jan 9, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I think his defensive struggles were greatly overrated.

He didn’t have a great arm but he called a very good game and he seemed to be one of the best at tracking pop fouls.

Either way, he had the best bat of any catcher since probably Josh Gibson.

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by Ogre39666 on Jan 9, 2012 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Ohhhh.

My head hurts and I’m nauseous.

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by Steve Schreiber on Jan 9, 2012 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

...what?

He was great, that’s why he’s going into the Hall. Greatest hitting catcher of all time doesn’t cut it. Until his groin injury he had a career OPS+ of 152. He’s a Hall of Fame hitter at any position but doing it behind the dish is what makes him an all-time great. He ranks up with Frank Thomas and Vlad Guerrero as generational hitters.

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by piazza62 on Jan 9, 2012 7:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously

Who needs to go to the World Series anyway?

by Joamiq on Jan 13, 2012 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

The World Series is overrated.

Means nothing unless you get duh ringzzz

I think it's fine.

by NetsMets4Life on Jan 15, 2012 8:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Face of the franchise was David Wright.The backbone was Jose' Reyes.But anyway,Welcome Back!

Little more research or a drunken night out with some hard-core Met fans might be in order.

by Putnan Prince on Jan 9, 2012 4:21 PM EST reply actions  

What?

The only outlandish things he said were his line about Piazza and that Niese and Pelfrey are similar. Niese is a nice pitcher and Pelfrey is dreck. I’m not sure why switching our beloved’s and former beloved’s media roles is a big deal. It’s pretty impressive considering some of the opinions out there.

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by BlackOps on Jan 9, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

This is a comment on your first post on this site

This sounds kinda familiar. I stopped following them closely after 2006. I have been excited about them ever since Sandy Alderson, a sane and competent man, was brought in and terribad manager Jerry was replaced with shiny new skipper Terry. They are fun to watch, although you’re probably right on the money about their 2012 record.

the pitching rotation? I like Johan Santana coming back as the Ace. After him everyone else was vanilla. I like Dillon Gee, but outside of him who are the other 3 guys. [/quote]

Heh, people on this site might think you’re trolling with this statement due to our love for knuckleballer R.A. Dickey. He is my favorite current Met and can be pretty much perfect on a good night.
Santana is just a question mark to me and he can’t be depended on to be an “Ace” or anything else at this point.
Gee is nowhere near as good as Niese and won’t even be as good as Pelfrey (who is mediocre and the source of much angst) if he can’t improve his control. More likely he’s what you’d call a #5 starter this point although I personally like him too and think he could be a 4, or less likely a 3 at best; others aren’t so optimistic.
We will see starts from AAA guys, none of whom will be anything to write home about unless they are foolishly rushing one of our top prospects.

Murphy. … What will be his every day spot? If it’s 2nd base, will it be in a rotation, or can I expect him there for 140+ games?[/quote]

Good question!
. . .
That’s all I’ve got, I am honestly wondering the same thing.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf. "

– Tug McGraw when asked about his preference for grass or astroturf

by Terry_is_God on Jan 9, 2012 4:35 PM EST reply actions  

I FAIL at formatting

D:

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf. "

– Tug McGraw when asked about his preference for grass or astroturf

by Terry_is_God on Jan 9, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Lastly. I’ve never been impressed with Justin Turner. Am I alone on that one?

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf. "

– Tug McGraw when asked about his preference for grass or astroturf

by Terry_is_God on Jan 9, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Nope

The shine wore off once everyone found out he couldn’t pull the ball. He had a good few weeks while it lasted.

You always root for laundry. Of course, you'd like to have good players in that laundry as well.

by MetsCity on Jan 9, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Turner is a solid bench piece who should never be exposed to everyday play

its not his fault the depth/injury history of this team has been tragilarious.

Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?

by KeithsMoustache on Jan 10, 2012 12:17 AM EST up reply actions  

My bad

Didn’t realize you guys liked RA Dickey. As I said, I’m just getting back into baseball. Every time I watched Dickey he was pitching a 7 or 8 inning 1 run performance, followed by a 3 inning 6 run performance. Maybe I’m incorrect, but it seamed that way from what I saw. He didn’t seem consistent to me.

by manuvsteal on Jan 9, 2012 5:13 PM EST reply actions  

Nope, you're quite a bit off

In 2011, Dickey allowed more than 4 runs in a game exactly 3 times, I believe it was, and pitched fewer than 6 innings only a handful of times.

If there is one word to describe him asides for “Awesome”, consistent would be one pf them- couple the two together for the most vivid picture of him.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 9, 2012 5:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

Well now I know.

I had him lumped in with Chris Young and Chris Capuano I guess.

by manuvsteal on Jan 9, 2012 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Cappy was another diamond in the rough given how little it cost us to gamble on him

wish we could have afforded him again

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by KeithsMoustache on Jan 10, 2012 12:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Jumping off, copied from previous posts of mine:
Some Dickey facts about this season:
1) He only allowed more than 4 earned runs 3 times.
2) He limited the opposition to 4 runs or less 29 times.
3) He limited the opposition to 3 runs of less 26 times.
4) He ended the season on a streak of 12 games of 3 earned runs or less.

Keep in mind he started 32 games last season.

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by Ogre39666 on Jan 9, 2012 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Awesistent?

"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."

by BobbyV_Incognito on Jan 9, 2012 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

put it in the books

Yogi on the 1969 NY Mets....." overwhelming underdogs "

by SuperSantana on Jan 16, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

3 runs, 6 innings is a pretty solid start, and when you mix in regular 7-8 inning one run starts

thats what you call a very good pitcher. sure he may not be elite in the classical sense, but he’s been amazing given what he costs, and he’s one of the most entertaining pitchers both on and off the field you’re going to see these days.

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by KeithsMoustache on Jan 10, 2012 12:19 AM EST up reply actions  

it is the definition of a quality start

even if it should mean the definition of an average start

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by astromets on Jan 10, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

it is an inversion of what the guy said anyway: "3 inning 6 run performance"

which is obviously very un-Dickey

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf. "

– Tug McGraw when asked about his preference for grass or astroturf

by Terry_is_God on Jan 10, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

a very amusing line of discussion. . .

by lareplus on Jan 9, 2012 6:09 PM EST reply actions  

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[Reyes]’s been the face of the Mets despite David Wright being the backbone in my opinion.

Funny. I’ve always considered it to be the other way around.

I like Johan Santana coming back as the Ace
Sadly I don’t see this happening. I’m not expecting more than 50 serviceable innings.
Gee seems like a 3 or 4 pitcher in a rotation.
He’s a #5. If that. Dickey is the best pitcher we have; he’d be a legit #2 on just about any team. Niese is a borderline #2 but he still has some development left. Pelfrey should be a #5, but he’ll likely slot in as a #3 for us.
How does the Mets farm system compare to the other MLB baseball teams?
It was bottom third thanks to Minaya drafting college relievers and small school bats (which he actually did alright with – the bats, not the arms), but thanks to a great draft by Alderson we probably rank anywhere from 13 to 18 league wide. Names to be familiar with are Matt Harvey, Zack Wheeler, Jenrry Mejia, Jeurys Familia, Cesar Puello, Kirk Nieuwenhuis, Wilmer Flores, Brandon Nimmo, and Domingo Tapia to name a handful.
I’ve never been impressed with Justin Turner. Am I alone on that one?
Nope. I called him a replacement level player last offseason and he went on to prove me right putting up a 0.8 fWAR. Doesn’t field well and has an average-ish bat (90 wRC+).

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by Ogre39666 on Jan 9, 2012 7:02 PM EST reply actions  

As much as I love Dickey
Dickey is the best pitcher we have

Dickey is the awesomest pitcher we have. Santana is our best pitcher. Dickey is currently our best pitcher capable of pitching. Dickey is also our best pitcher capable of pitching from Mt Kilimanjaro. I just got my Dickey shirt.
All true statements.

"..."

by Thaddeus Ballpheasant on Jan 9, 2012 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Untill Santana comes back and proves he can still throw a baseball professionally

Dickey it is.

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by Ogre39666 on Jan 9, 2012 9:37 PM EST up reply actions  

This, sadly

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 10, 2012 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

why are you guys forgetting about

Manny Acosta??

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by astromets on Jan 10, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Johan is no longer our best pitcher

he’s the pitcher whos done the most with his career sure, but he’s going to be a differnt guy coming back from that injury. Dickey is probably the most reliable at this point (also he’s F&cking awesome!)

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by KeithsMoustache on Jan 10, 2012 12:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't know

Santana’s velocity isn’t going to be what it was, but is he really the type that needs to blow it by hitters? He’s a master of offspeed stuff, and even if his peripherals have been on the decline, he’s managed to keep his ERA low. He’s a smart pitcher, and I have no doubt that if he can take the mound, he will be effective. You don’t go from being a non-prospect Rule IV reliever to a Hall of Fame starter on stuff alone.

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by piazza62 on Jan 10, 2012 12:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, his bread and butter is/was his change-up

If he’s getting less velocity difference between it and his fastball, he’s going to be less effective if nothing else about his game changes and improves enough to the point that that chink in the armor can be covered up.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 10, 2012 12:52 AM EST up reply actions  

change w/o fastball is useless

he’s crafty and talented for sure, and if he bounced back to a mid-to-back of the rotation pitcher i woudn’t be shocked, but his days of being an ace are probably over. This makes me incredibly sad, but it’s also likely whats going to happen. If we’re lucky we’ll get some solid innings out of him for about half a year next year, but thtats what i expect as ceiling.

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by KeithsMoustache on Jan 10, 2012 1:12 AM EST up reply actions  

because he's throwing junk, and likely doing so with an innings limit before his arm falls off

Livan and Moyer, while old, haven’t had the surgery that Johan is coming back from. He may be effective, but he’s not going to eat innings, and he’s not going to be elite in the innings he gives. Thats my gut feeling on the matter at least. I hope he proves me wrong.

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by KeithsMoustache on Jan 10, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I just think back to Jim Palmer at the end of his career

And that gives me some hope of Johan being a solid pitcher. He isn’t going to be the same pitcher he was in Minnesota, but he’ll be very good. The problem is staying healthy in the first place.

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by piazza62 on Jan 10, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, i dont doubt he can learn to be effective

but i wonder for how long he can stay on the field.

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by KeithsMoustache on Jan 10, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

You know, this could have been much, much worse

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by Thomas Wachtel on Jan 10, 2012 3:18 PM EST reply actions  

+1 for the user name

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by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Jan 10, 2012 5:29 PM EST reply actions  

didn't know you were a met fan manuvsteal

should have warned you that fanposts are a little more serious here then at GGN. why exactly didn’t you like piazza? mean he was one of, if not the best, hitter we ever had.

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