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Fernando Martinez and Daniel Ray Herrera Placed on Waivers

According to ESPN New York, left-handed reliever Daniel Ray Herrera and former top-prospect Fernando Martinez have been placed on waivers in order to clear room on the Mets' 40-man roster for Scott Hairston and Ronny Cedeno.

Believe it or not, Martinez only recently turned 23, but he's struggled with injuries and hasn't played anything close to a full season in the minor leagues since 2008. For several years, he was considered a top prospect in the organization, but on top of his inability to stay on the field, he wasn't all that impressive at the plate. His OPS in Buffalo in 2010 was .765, and it dipped to .746 in 2011.

Although the odds of Martinez making an impact with the Mets look pretty low right now, it's too early to give up on a 23-year-old who has, at times, shown some promise in the minor leagues. The Mets had some options when it came to designating players for assignment, and at quick glance, I'd have preferred to see either D.J. Carrasco or Josh Stinson placed on waivers instead of Martinez.

Now, twenty-nine other organizations will now have the opportunity to pick up Martinez and give him a shot. If he clears waivers, he'll almost definitely wind up back in Buffalo. It would be surprising if he clears, though, as it won't cost another organization anything to give him a chance in their system.

As for Herrera, the Mets seemed very happy with the performance of Tim Byrdak in 2011, and it appears they're not all that concerned about having a second left-handed reliever in the bullpen. The team was apparently concerned about his effectiveness, even against left-handed hitters, once the league and division had some time to get used to his screwball.

Martinez and Herrera may not amount to much with other organizations if they're picked up on waivers, but it'd be a shame to see Martinez get it together elsewhere.

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Is anyone else shocked that Armando Rodriguez wasn't waived instead?

He struck me as the guy most likely to be taken off the 40

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by BobbyV_Incognito on Jan 9, 2012 6:43 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, he's another one that would make more sense.

He’s at a very low level for his age with numbers that aren’t going to blow anyone away.

by Chris McShane on Jan 9, 2012 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Fernando?

Really? Out of all the crap on this 40-man?

Come on. I’m not too optimistic about his chances of ever doing anything, but he at least has potential.

by GilbertP on Jan 9, 2012 6:51 PM EST reply actions  

This! How much drek, meh and blah do we have on the roster that we cant live without?

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by ScottfromPeekskill on Jan 9, 2012 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Herrera looks like a mistake

Yeah, they might have figured him out eventually, but right now he’s effective, with over 100 big league relief innings, 131 appearances, and a 113 ERA+.

Instead they are paying good money to a 38 year old Byrdak, with a 100 ERA+ in 304 career innings.

They should have dumped Carrasco, Byrdak, or maybe Josh Satin.

Is Omar still in charge?

by acerimusdux on Jan 9, 2012 6:54 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

I remember reading during the season

that someone (probably Alderson) was concerned that Herrera’s screwball becomes less effective as hitters see it more. And there’s no way Satin was getting waived – he’s the reigning org. Player of the Year.

"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."

by BobbyV_Incognito on Jan 9, 2012 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

So what?

He’s young, give it time to see if that happens. It’s not like we’re contenders this year and don’t have time to let our young players figure it out.

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by Rey-O on Jan 9, 2012 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know...Byrdak was pretty reliable last year for the most part.

11.2 K/9, a .222/.271/.333 line with a 36/6 K:BB ratio against lefties and they already re-signed him to a one year guaranteed deal late in 2011. Herrera’s younger and cheaper but his upside is probably to become what Byrdak is right now, which just isn’t all that high to begin with. With the way the pen’s currently made up, I really don’t have a problem waiving Herrera. I’m hoping he clears waivers and accepts an assignment to Buffalo as depth, of course, but I don’t think he’s that special to have to keep at all costs, so to speak.

Now I would’ve much rather seen them waive Carrasco or Schwinden or Satin or Armando Rodriguez instead of Fernando Martinez, but that’s a whole other issue.

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by Steve Schreiber on Jan 9, 2012 7:35 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

There's a reason Herrera has bounced around to a few diffee

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 9, 2012 8:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Different clubs, and hasn't been an MLB regular, even as a LOOGY

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 9, 2012 8:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Well at least if Omar was still in charge

Martinez would have already been promoted to another plane of existence by now, so he wouldn’t be much help to the Mets anyway.

by EricAColucci on Jan 9, 2012 10:31 PM EST up reply actions  

You're saying he would have ascended to being a giant blue space baby?

"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."

by BobbyV_Incognito on Jan 9, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Are we past symbolic moves?

Although I don’t see where FMart fits the team’s long term plans, either.

by keithprime on Jan 9, 2012 6:54 PM EST via Android app reply actions  

Weird.

I wouldn’t have expected it to be either of these guys.

by EricAColucci on Jan 9, 2012 7:06 PM EST reply actions  

Extremely shocked.

Darrelle Revis once won a game of Connect Four in three moves.

by bm01bath on Jan 9, 2012 7:14 PM EST reply actions  

Weird one.

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by Aidan Gibson on Jan 9, 2012 7:39 PM EST reply actions  

Fmart I get but I dont get Herrera

I rather keep him and put someone else on waviers. Just because teams got used to Dickey’s knuckleball doesnt mean it wasnt effective, in addition it just seems that we gave K-Rod away

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by BlueChill on Jan 9, 2012 8:13 PM EST reply actions  

Well yeah

They gave K-Rod away for salary relief for this year….so they could afford Ronny Cedeno and Scott Hairston, apparently. Man, I’m getting more bummed out by the minute.

by EricAColucci on Jan 9, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

so you'd rather keep "k"-Rod's ridiculous contract?

ronny cedeno sucks, but c’mon

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by feslenraster on Jan 10, 2012 8:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Certainly not

The salary dump was a good idea. But thinking about salary relief made me think about how little the team has to spend, and makes me wonder how much worse it would have been if they hadn’t dumped K-Rod.

by EricAColucci on Jan 10, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

true enough

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by feslenraster on Jan 10, 2012 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, the knuckleball's different.

The nature of the pitch is that, properly thrown, it’s entirely unpredictable.

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by BobbyV_Incognito on Jan 9, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I give it

30% for Martinez and 40% Herrera that they get claimed.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 9, 2012 8:29 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I wish it wasn't F!, but let's face it...

No one knows Fernando’s aching legs better than the Mets front office. This move says to me that they have medical reports in hand that say he’s toast. I hope for his sake, he gets claimed by an AL team and maybe some day gets a chance as a DH.

by psiogen on Jan 9, 2012 8:45 PM EST reply actions  

yeah

it makes sense that it’s more about his ability to stay on the field. He has a degenerative condition, after all.

by SuperT on Jan 9, 2012 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Makes sense...

After this long and his potentional, they had to have been like,“if we had a walker with rockets on it we could keep him…” I feel bad for Martinez…being that young and a conditon like that affecting his play so much. Certain things you can play through and others you just can’t …

by reoninja on Jan 9, 2012 10:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

thank you

you saved me from an emotional rant

Hoping the Wilpons become the Will-pawns

by exbrooklynite on Jan 9, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Guess so

F-Mart certainly is a surprise. The only reason I can think of is insider knowledge by the front office about his health, his real age or some other structural problem that would probably have kept him off the roster going forward even with Jason Bay´s future value very much uncertain.

Herrera came as less of a surprise. A generic Quadruple A reliever who is 27 and has bounced around.

Would have prefered to DFA Carrasco or Arm Rodriguez instead of F-Mart. That said, the plan is to build around pitching longterm and maybe Rodriguez is an arm they feel has upside to be an asset with the high K-rates and all.

by Doob on Jan 10, 2012 12:58 AM EST up reply actions  

One would think the Mariners

would have a spot for F! Check out their lack of production, especially in LF. He could probably start for them.

by ackbar7 on Jan 9, 2012 9:11 PM EST reply actions  

To respond to myself though

I always thought they would claim Who? and they never did.

by ackbar7 on Jan 9, 2012 9:11 PM EST up reply actions  

He'd be a better hitter

than Franklin Gutierrez at the very least

Live ironic and whatnot.

by Brian. on Jan 10, 2012 12:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Padres make the most sense

With Omar being part of their front office.

by graves9 on Jan 10, 2012 1:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Would much rather it have been Armando or Satin or Stinson or even Turner.

Satin may be the reigning PotO or whatever but he’s not likely to help this team very much.

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by Ogre39666 on Jan 9, 2012 9:47 PM EST reply actions  

Neither is Martinez, though.

And I don’t think they’d have two lefty specialists in the bullpen.

by EricAColucci on Jan 9, 2012 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

F! is 4 years younger.

Satin is what he is. There is at least hope (however slim) that F! at least develops the hit tool.

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by Ogre39666 on Jan 10, 2012 12:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

I’d take Martinez over the guys you listed over the long haul, too. For some reason I originally read your last sentence as “not likely to help the team this year.” Fernando probably won’t help the team this year, but with the lack of high-upside hitters in this system, I’d keep him.

by EricAColucci on Jan 10, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

fmart now puts it together and injury free

cause itll happen to us fans. oh well bring on the…..satin era!!!!!

I hate Philadelphia so much.

by the caveman on Jan 9, 2012 9:56 PM EST via Android app reply actions  

F!

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by ScottfromPeekskill on Jan 9, 2012 11:54 PM EST up reply actions  

He'll compile a +50 UZR in CF next year

pushing himself around the outfield in a wheelchair.

by psiogen on Jan 10, 2012 2:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm guessing the medical reports are really bad on FMart.

Otherwise, I can’t imagine Sandy and Paul would punt on him before a couple of the fringe relievers we have on the 40 man.

by FrancoTAU on Jan 9, 2012 10:23 PM EST reply actions  

Eh, these wouldn't have been my choices

but at the same time, FMart’s legs are a total goner and maybe the Mets FO thought Rodriguez, Stinson had more of a chance at fooling major league hitters than the l’il screwballer.

We’ll see how it all works out, I guess…

by BurleighGrimes on Jan 9, 2012 11:00 PM EST reply actions  

Meh,

I was over FMart as soon as they said he had chronic arthritis in his knees, and I doubt Herrera ever sticks with a team as more than a AAAA player. Really out of all the options they had: Armando, Carrasco, Stinson, Hefner, Satin, Lutz. None of these guys is going to be a part of the next good Mets team, much less Ronny Cedeno and Scott Hairston or Martinez and Herrera.

I can’t wait to not read all the stories about FMart tomorrow.

by crazycarLUXC on Jan 9, 2012 11:21 PM EST reply actions  

Could F! been any worse than Hairston on the bench?

We are in no way competitive so why not roll the dice?

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by ScottfromPeekskill on Jan 9, 2012 11:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Probably

He’s a medicore hitter in AAA and he probably is a downgrade defensively too.

by graves9 on Jan 10, 2012 12:57 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Yes.

A lot worse. It sounds like he can barely run.

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by Steve Schreiber on Jan 10, 2012 8:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Really?

I didn’t think he was that bad yet.

by EricAColucci on Jan 10, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Hairston can play three more outfield positions than F!

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by piazza62 on Jan 10, 2012 8:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

aww, hope Herrera clears, I love kitchen-sinkers

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by KeithsMoustache on Jan 10, 2012 12:32 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

plus the dude's what, 5'7"?

I hope he clears too

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by feslenraster on Jan 10, 2012 8:29 AM EST up reply actions  

What a difference a front office makes

If this was Omar and his band of dummies I’d be upset, but I’m sure Sandy and his crew followed a process to come to these decisions. As such, I’m fine with both. Good luck to another F!ailed prospect.

by JJJ on Jan 10, 2012 1:11 AM EST reply actions  

I don't get it

If Omar made the same moves they would be idiotic, but since Sandy made these moves they’re okay? I get Omar has a bad track record, and he’s made a lot of moves without forethought, but I have to think a good move is a good move, or vice versa, regardless of who the GM is that made said move. We don’t have much to go on so far to give Sandy a free pass on any moves he makes. (Not that I dislike Alderson)

So far Sandy has two things going for him: 1) He’s not Omar Minaya. This is a huge part for a lot of the patience we as fans have right now. 2) He made two really good trades. But in both, he got the better end of the same GM (Brian Sabean). So objectively it’s a toss up whether these were savvy moves by Alderson, or just dumb moves by Sabean. The rest of his moves, to date, have been more about book balancing.

I have mixed feelings on Alderson so far. He’s done some good things, and some other things I’m not crazy about. I don’t agree with the 40 man cuts he made. There was other fodder that could’ve been cut. But maybe in the big picture it wasn’t a big deal. I think we need to stop, though, lauding Alderson by denouncing Minaya. Minaya got the team into contention again. He made bad moves after that, but it doesn’t take away from the fact that he did something good for this team. And I’m not even a Minaya apologist, but I get tired of people acting like Alderson has done so much more for this organization. Let’s wait and see how his tenure finishes out before we make the comparison.

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by MetsCity on Jan 10, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

What he said

And what I agree with, is:

I’m sure Sandy and his crew followed a process to come to these decisions

It should be the case that the front office knows more than the fans and makes smarter decisions. In the past, we knew that that was not the case and had to question every decision. Now, we know that there is a solid process and even if we question a move, we have comfort that it was likely a good decision for reasons we arent privy to.

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by Dandy Salderson on Jan 10, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Well

We assume that based on Alderson’s reputation, not really on any facts we have. I agree, though, that there is a process in place and I don’t think moves are being made and not give the proper amount of thought and foresight. However, I still stand by my point that we have don’t have to keep making Alderson look good by throwing Minaya under the bus. We still have to see how Alderson’s tenure finishes and what we are left with when he’s gone. That’s all I’m saying.

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by MetsCity on Jan 10, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

To be clear

I didn’t throw Minaya under the bus to make Sandy look good. I did it because it’s fun. :)

by JJJ on Jan 10, 2012 11:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha

Okay, fair enough.

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by MetsCity on Jan 11, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I had the same initial thought/question.

If Omar had made these moves chances are the reaction wouldn’t have been “I trust he knows more than us”. Then again, Omar did little to foster that attitude.

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by Ogre39666 on Jan 10, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Thoughts on F-Mart? Surprised they gave up on him

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by Brandon C. on Jan 10, 2012 10:23 PM EST reply actions  

I'm surprised they stuck with him so long.

Well, now he’s off to the Astros maybe he can make it as a DH in 2013.

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