Interesting Quotes from Ruben Amaro

Sounds like Papelbon might prevent him from signing Hamels, and he seems to think Howard is as good as Pujols...

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If they let Hamels walk

Because of that stupid decision, I hope they name him GM for life.

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by Hoyadestroya85 on Feb 1, 2012 8:38 PM EST reply actions

This.

Let's go have a beer, Doc.

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by Crazy Nyce Dave on Feb 1, 2012 9:12 PM EST up reply actions

Howard 05-09: 19.7 fWAR

Pujols 05-09: 43.2 fWAR

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by Ogre39666 on Feb 1, 2012 9:21 PM EST reply actions

Just to make a point on how people think Howard is great and that Wright has been terrible

Howard 09-11: 7.6 fWAR (1967 PA)
Wright 09-11: 9.5 fWAR (1745 PA)

Not that either has been spectacular, but Wright has been clearly better.

by Evan_S on Feb 1, 2012 9:31 PM EST up reply actions

It's even funnier with 07-08 fWAR:

Howard: 6.7
Wright: 16.0

by Shevshevy on Feb 1, 2012 9:45 PM EST up reply actions

This one makes me laugh

Brian Roberts 23.5 to Howard’s 19.7.

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by piazza62 on Feb 1, 2012 9:48 PM EST up reply actions

Howard 10-11: 3.0 WAR (1,364 PAs)

Davis 20-11: 4.9 WAR (750 PAs)

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 1, 2012 10:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

That's unfair, Ike David had from 1920 to 2011 to accrue all that WAR.

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by Michkin on Feb 2, 2012 6:51 AM EST up reply actions

D'oh!

Coincidentally, there was an Ike Davis who played in the 1920s (1919; 1924-1925) with the Senators and White Sox. He only accumulated 0.8 WAR, though.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 2, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions

that's crazy!

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by Terry_is_God on Feb 2, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions

But Ruben said...

He [Howard] was probably the most productive player during that span of anybody, including Pujols. This is not a slight against Cole — he has had some phenomenal years. But he is not the most decorated player in baseball

Ryan Howard had 2.6 WAR by 2006, when Cole Hamels made his debut, and is now at 23.1 WAR. Cole Hamels has 23 WAR. He has been better than Howard by fWAR 4/6 years. And he is a relatively young lefty who just had an amazing year, 8.1:1.8 k/9:BB/9 last year with a 3.05 FIP, 3.02 xFIP. He is also a work horse, averaging 193 innings per season over his career, and that is including the 132 his first year. How did this guy get to run a baseball team? How has he had any success running a baseball team?

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by astromets on Feb 1, 2012 10:58 PM EST up reply actions

Pat Gillick.

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by Ogre39666 on Feb 1, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions

o yeahhhhh

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by astromets on Feb 1, 2012 11:57 PM EST up reply actions

Oh please let this happen.

That would hilarious.

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by Steve Schreiber on Feb 1, 2012 10:03 PM EST reply actions

Ew, foxsports.com? Ken Rosenthal?

It’s lines like this that explain why I don’t care what he has to say:

People forget, Howard signed his extension at a time when he was coming off a momentous start to his career. He was the NL Rookie of the Year in 2005, the MVP in ’06 and a top-five MVP finisher from ’07 to ’09.

I can’t believe they have Amaro on the record saying these things though, Philly is repeating all the mistakes the Mets just went through the past 3 years. Here’s hoping the collapse begins next year, after the addition of an ‘elite’ closer at 12.5 million AAV. I doubt if any team would have offered him that much, especially that early in the offseason, especially for four years. And they did it before the cba and got doubly screwed from it, no? Scott Boras must intimidate the shit out of Ruben if he got him to believe Paps had any other offers near that amount, or that length, especially that early in the year

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by astromets on Feb 1, 2012 10:50 PM EST reply actions

Yes, Papelbon was signed before the new CBA was.

So, Amaro not only overpaid for him, but he screwed his team out of a comp pick in the process. Can he get an extension now, please?

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by BobbyV_Incognito on Feb 1, 2012 11:12 PM EST up reply actions

'Philly is repeating all the mistakes the Mets just went through the past 3 years..'

I noticed that as well. Here’s hoping they keep right on doing that, even beyond the time it took the Mets to get it.

Yankees of the NL….just trying to buy talent.
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by MetsFan4Decades on Feb 2, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions

I find it hilarious that they describe Amaro's aggression as "his biggest strength."

It might be true, in that he has no actual strengths, but it’s really a huge weakness.

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by BobbyV_Incognito on Feb 1, 2012 11:12 PM EST reply actions

Overall, Amaro is slightly better than Omar

But they’re equals in their shitty bidding against themselves approach for free agents.

by FrancoTAU on Feb 2, 2012 12:27 AM EST reply actions

I don't remember which moves are Amaro's and which are Gillick's

but I am really doubting they are different people at this point in time

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by astromets on Feb 2, 2012 12:55 AM EST up reply actions

Disrespect for Omar

Amaro inherited a team with a strong major league roster and a group of pretty strong prospects on the farm.
Minaya inherited a team with a subpar major league roster and a terrible farm system.

In the meantime, the Phillies are still good but feature one of the oldest major league rosters in Baseball – with their best under age 30 player Cole Hamels being a free agent after 2012 and their 2nd best under age 30 player Hunter Pence being a free agent after 2013 and really nothing else left except for the strong core of players that has led the Phillies to several playoff appearances and that is well into their 30s:
Halladay (34), Lee (33), Papelbon (31), Howard (32), Rollins (34), Utley (33), Victorino (31) and Ruiz (32) make up the core of the team along with Pence & Hamels. And this will actually remain the core for the next several years – except for possibly Hamels. Enjoy it while it lasts. And maybe this stretch of sustained winning is worth it. However, ultimately there will be an unexpected collapse in a Mets 2009ish sort of way. I´d guess in 2014.

by Doob on Feb 2, 2012 1:00 AM EST up reply actions

Pence is a free agent after this year too.

Hamels, Pence, Utley, and Victorino are all set to expire after 2012. It’ll be very interesting to see what Amaro does about that. I think 2013 may be the collapse year…

by djletz on Feb 2, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions

I believe they control Pence for two more years.

He has just under five years of service time. Utley is signed through 2013 as well. Other than that, yeah.

by MetsFanXXIII on Feb 2, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions

Ok, just rechecked Cots...

You’re right on Utley. Pence, though, is a free agent after this season.

by djletz on Feb 2, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions

I think their spreadsheet is wrong on Pence.

A player cannot declare free agency with less than six years of service time. He currently stands at 4.156. Thus, he won’t have enough service time next offseason. Baseball Reference has him hitting free agency prior to the 2014 season, and MLBTR doesn’t have him on their list of next offseason’s free agents either.

by MetsFanXXIII on Feb 2, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions

Nah

Baseball Reference says that he’s a free agent after 2013. He’s only got 4 years, 156 days of service time at the moment.

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by Steve Schreiber on Feb 2, 2012 9:52 PM EST up reply actions

"And maybe this stretch of sustained winning is worth it"

Umm…you think? They’ve matched our past 25 years in 5 years (5 playoffs, 2 pennants, 1 championship). If you told me right now that Sandy Alderson would build a roster that would win a World Series and then turn the team over to Omar again, I’d take it in a heartbeat.

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by cjmulrain on Feb 4, 2012 9:22 AM EST up reply actions

So 2013

Johan, Dickey, Niese, Harvey and Hamels?

by Evan_S on Feb 2, 2012 1:58 AM EST reply actions

Ooh

Ted Berg’s head might explode if that happens

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by Jeffrey Paternostro on Feb 2, 2012 8:39 AM EST up reply actions

I just...

I don’t know, man.

by TheBigStapler on Feb 2, 2012 9:34 AM EST up reply actions

I'll be very surprised if the first big FA

signing the Mets do after trying to get their house in order the few years preceding that, is for Hamels.

by MetsFan4Decades on Feb 2, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions

Think I'd pass on Hamels.

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by BobbyV_Incognito on Feb 2, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions

No sir, don't like it. Don't like it one bit

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 2, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

If we were an above 500 team I'd suck it up and sign the douche to a market deal.

Chances are we won’t be for the next 2-3 years.

by FrancoTAU on Feb 2, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions

No

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by Terry_is_God on Feb 2, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions

He does?

Ugh, I can barely stand grown women who enjoy Twilight.

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by BobbyV_Incognito on Feb 2, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions

only if he is our 5th starter

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by astromets on Feb 2, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions

I guess I'm in the minority...

I’d definitely consider signing Hamels. I know long term pitcher contracts usually end up badly but he’s only 28 and he’s a damn good pitcher. Plus, the Phillies fans’ hatred towards him would be hilarious.

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by Steve Schreiber on Feb 2, 2012 9:55 PM EST up reply actions

Me too

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by Hoyadestroya85 on Feb 3, 2012 2:12 AM EST up reply actions

do people really expect Amaro to throw his player under a bus

while simultaneously declaring that he (Amaro) is an idiot for giving away $125M?

he’s in a no-win situation: either he admits (or says nothing) he made an error and basically calls Howard a bust, who he is stuck with for 5 more years, or he lives in his fantasyland where Howard is a great player. either option is not great.

by theamato on Feb 2, 2012 11:15 PM EST reply actions