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Sabermetrics and Me: Drowning in Objectivity

The goddamn thing sat there, and it annoyed me immensely.

The numbers were of minimal consequence to me and every effort to comprehend them just seemed a Sisyphean task, so I haphazardly wedged the book into my shelf and went about my life.

What is this bastard book of which I speak? Is it a John Nash game theory book? A Stephen Hawking treatise on the origins of life? No, it was something far more insidious to my 11-year old brain: a copy of the 1982 Bill James Baseball Abstract.

Star-divide

I want to pinpoint my freakish obsession with all things numbers to a trip made to Barnes and Noble in late 2000. I remember running throughout the store straight to the humor section because it was where my Calvin and Hobbes fix would be pacified. My uncle and father were doing whatever a lawyer and a history teacher do when they enter a large bookstore. Just before leaving, the clearance section compelled my uncle to ask me, "Do you guys have a baseball encyclopedia in your house?" I replied that I did not know, but that we probably didn't.

Ten minutes later I was carrying out a clearance-sale copy of Total Baseball: Sixth Edition. Printed after the 1998 season (I learned this quickly because I was so pissed that the postseason section of the book ended with the Yankees-Padres World Series), it featured Babe Ruth, Roger Maris, Mark McGwire, and Sammy Sosa on the cover. My fifth-grade brain gobbled this damn book up at breakneck speed, although my favorite sections were the rosters/depth charts for each team each season. One of my favorite things to do during this time period to occupy myself would be to write down each and every player named on the depth chart for a given season and fill in the requisite stats with batting average/home runs/runs batted in. No triple-slash line to be found on these sheets of loose leaf paper.

That book was put through the wringer with my father and myself. The glue that composed the spine started to erode and eventually the cover simply became a defacto protection device to what looked like a gigantic legal brief. Goodness, did I abuse the postseason section. Those 200 someodd pages were always the most worn because I would copy down box scores from these games ad nauseam. So yes, at an age when most boys are playing sports and doing things, I was amusing myself by learning how Bruce Kison had a 108.00 ERA in the 1979 World Series against the Orioles. Did I mention I was a painfully anxious kid at school? Every now and then I would venture into the players section and while I knew the standard rate and counting stats, certain numbers confused me.

Then that fateful day came when the Bill James abstract got into my hands. It was given to me by an older leader of my Boy Scout troop who had it lying around, and it was from 1983. That person has since passed away (I believe), and I wish I had gotten into sabermetrics sooner because if he owned a book from that era, I have since assumed that he was immersed into it. Or maybe he just found the thing kicking around in his house, that's plausible too.

I remember seeing how the players were ranked by position, although I forget exactly what criteria was used to differentiate them. Probably a WARP or WAR from that era. All I remember was that the Mets sucked, and were near the bottom in nearly all of the position rankings for the NL. I vaguely remember there was FRAA for each player, but everything else was a haze. As mentioned before, I stuffed the book aside and thought, "That's a bunch of worthless shit" and returned to the delightfully comprehensible world of Total Baseball.

When I was 14, I bought the newest edition that came out (whoa, this one had higher-quality paper!) and it managed to escape the torment my constant use had placed on my previous encyclopedia for a myriad of reasons. I actually started to develop a social life, so stats began to disappear from my regular rotation, but I could never quite quit them so it was always a delight to snag that sturdy, black-bound book (I hated the cover and junked the thing as soon as I bought it). I finally began reading the articles at beginning of the book, and while I cannot recall such things from memory, that was my first exposure to sabermetrics that I could understand. Even then, the numbers were lost on me because my attitude consisted of: "Well, no shit Babe Ruth, Mickey Mantle, and Willie Mays were really good. Why do you need this crap?"

Now, this is my philosophical portion of my post. As most of you well know, I love my sabermetrics and even shell out money for Baseball Prospectus (going on two years now). Actually, if you're familiar with my work, my Jon Heyman post from a little over a year ago garnered much support and is probably my best-known post on this site (not my favorite though, that belong to "Coffee's For Closers") yet I have a very strained and strange relationship with it.

Perhaps the most humbling thing about the internet is that it has an immensely vast and sharp memory. I re-read that Heyman post the other day, and was appalled because it was everything I have since come to detest about SABR and related miscellany. It was smug, condescending, and it carried the tone of someone bearing a burden because one sportswriter didn't want to induct Bert Blyleven. As much as I loved Fire Joe Morgan, I always misread them in terms of their journalistic opponents. Some even contacted them and told them they found them funny, and most were good sports about it all. I have since softened my views (especially on how I view the Hall of Fame), but once you dip your toe into the pool of sabermetrics, there's no turning back. Even if you want to be as open and understanding as possible, people who don't follow or think it is a bunch of worthless crap will do or say something about baseball that will annoy you immensely. I don't think I am a bad person, it just comes from being far too analytical about the game.

On some levels, I do miss the days before I was drowning myself in JAWS, WAR, UZR and the like because I have all but eliminated the emotions that come with simply being a subjective fan of the team.

"Chase Utley sucks!"
I think to myself, "Actually, he's consistently among the top of the NL in WAR and his OBP is stellar for a second baseman."

Believe me, if there were a switch I could use to become a shameless homer whenever the Mets played, I would flip it in a millisecond. But it's rarely there, and it saddens me to realize that it may never be there again because I have changed how I fundamentally view the game. Yes, I enjoy being informed, but watching a team is far less fun to me when I'm playing fact-finding researcher. That human element, often maligned in sabermetric circles, I want it. The temporal elation of victory, and the ephemeral ecstasy of bitter defeat. I hate drowning in objectivity and the empirical. Granted, this doesn't mean I am going to start ranting and raving in game threads (I'm actually reserved by nature, and people like fxcarden are naturals at doing so), but perhaps enjoy the game as opposed to viewing it under such scrutiny one would think an assignment for college somehow hinged upon how much I can glean about everything.

C'est la vie. I miss baseball, and while BP and the like can pacify me, there's nothing that compares to watching it live. I view the game in such theoretical prisms in the off-season, that one almost forgets these are fallible humans playing the game, not Strat-o-Matic or their respective projections. I get chills whenever I see Mike Piazza's post-9/11 home run, or Robin Ventura's grand-slam single, as grateful as I am to those blogs for informing me, their articles will never give me those vivid feelings of jubilation.

Well, to be fair, that Bill James Abstract did give me chills.

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That knowing more about the game makes it less enjoyable

Is one pf the biggest tropes I hate. The knowledge I now have enhances my enjoyment of the game.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 11, 2012 2:29 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

I feel the same way.

For instance, when I was in little league I was basically the singles version of a three true outcome hitter; the only home run I hit was in a scrimmage and the it was an inside the parker because the field didn’t have a fence. That bothered me when I played (especially because I was bigger then a lot of the other kids so it was sort of expected). However, if I had known then what I know now – that my OBP was through the roof and because of my good glove my contributions where very valuable – I would have been prouder of my contributions and maybe even stuck with it into middle school.

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by Ogre39666 on Feb 11, 2012 3:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I preferred to think of myself as John Olerud.

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by Ogre39666 on Feb 11, 2012 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, let's be fair here.

As people, we all have different ways in which we perceive our surroundings. For you and for me, the facts happens to enhance our enjoyment of the game. But I’m sure for many others besides Five-Tool Tool, it can have the opposite effect. And while I am grateful to have the knowledge that I’ve gained, there are some times when I wish I could be the total wide-eyed optimist I was when I was a kid who thinks every guy the Mets sign or trade for is going to become a superstar. It’s a give and take situation…you gain more knowledge and in return, you sort of lose your baseball innocence, in a sense. Now in the moment during a game, I personally am able to muster that feeling where “anything could happen right now” but I’m sure for others, that gets lost to the analytical side and I could see why somebody wouldn’t want that. It could easily take the intrigue out of the game for them.

Just my 2 cents.

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by Steve Schreiber on Feb 11, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Having enhanced knowledge doesn't translate into a crystal ball, though. All that intrigue and superstition and everything else is still there

I was starting to get into advanced stats, and knowing what they all mean/represent back in the end of 2009/beginning of 2010. The Mets signed R.A. Dickey, who, as we all know, wasn’t exactly the best pitcher at the time (by traditional and advanced stats), and blossomed into one of the top tier pitchers in the National League. I was in favor of signing him because of, well, his name and the fact he threw a knuckleball. Based on everything, I thought he might be a decent enough long-reliever/spot-starter. All the stats, advanced and traditional, more or less said the same thing, that he could be a decent enough peripheral player. That wasn’t to be, as we all know, happily ever after. The regular stats, the advanced stats, nothing foresaw that he’d go from being a zero to a hero. The opposite is true, too- in 2010, Adam Dunn’s stats were more or less in line with those of his entire career. Nothing seemed to forecast or predict the drop off a cliff he had in 2011. Knowing more doesn’t negate the idea that anything can still happen. When things do happen, knowing more might provide further analysis and insight as to why it’s happening, but it can’t tell you beforehand. Knowing that Carlos Delgado had a .280 ISO against right-handed pitchers in day games while on the road (making all that up) didn’t make his 9 RBI game against the Yankees any less of a surprise, and any less “holy shit!”. Knowing that Tom Glavine had lost 3 MPH on his fastball during the season, and had a .51 K/BB ratio in the month of September (making all that up) didn’t make that last game in 2007 any less of a shock or a disappointment.

I didn’t intent to implicate 5-T-T necessarily, but the fact is more knowledge/understanding of anything doesn’t mean that you have a crystal ball that tells you the future, and that you know the outcome of everything that will happen beforehand, deadening and dampening your emotions when those outcomes do happen. I might know more about why things are happening than Joe Fan, but when Johan Santana hits that home run, or R.A. Dickey pitches that perfect game, I will be just as surprised and excited as him, and anyone else.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 11, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course and I get that.

I’m just saying that everybody’s perception isn’t exactly the same. Not every person gets the same enjoyment out of “knowing”. Some people prefer to have that innocence. We’re lucky enough to be able to get gripped by the reality that there are going to be surprises in baseball, in addition to “knowing”. But all I’m saying is that I’m sure there are some people who look behind the curtain and for them, knowing too much kills the spontaneity because their mind is constantly trying to say that “oh, this is just a fluke”.

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by Steve Schreiber on Feb 11, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Thank you.

I’m not shitting on sabermetrics, I’m an avid reader of Baseball Prospectus for God’s sake.

But when my mind got set into the world of advanced stats, there was no going back for me. I didn’t think I would have to lay a disclaimer that this is how I’m wired, and that I’m so guilty of viewing players solely on their ZIPS/Bill James/BP projections that it annoys me immensely. As much as I enjoy the Mets, I hate how I’ve compartmentalized the game into some sort of vast, flesh and blood version of Out of the Park baseball.

This is essentially my love-hate letter to advanced stats. I knew this might get some attention on AA because of my views, but I didn’t think it would cause a shitstorm.

"Hey Paul, re..remember when you were in The Beatles? That was awesome."

by Five-Tool Tool on Feb 12, 2012 1:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Your views are clear

and I’m definitely on your and Steve’s side of this issue. People are different, vastly so. There is a part of baseball that concerns building a fine roster and winning ballgames; here, sabermetrics are unquestionably an asset.

Then there’s baseball as an entertainment, a web of narratives, a cultural experience, an art. And like any art, aesthetic fineness has to do with balances. Some would like to peak behind the wings and watch the ballerinas shave their calluses; for some that would spoil the mysteries. I don’t doubt sabermetrics makes the game better for BDMF and Ogre. I also know that countless baseball fans view the contests romantically, with heart and clutch and grit, and they wouldn’t thank you for sitting them down and reeducating them. It’s a damn baseball game, and they’d like to enjoy it as they please.

by Pack Bringley on Feb 15, 2012 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

That's awesome for you.

I’m simply talking about myself in honest terms, and if you think that my views are a cliche, so be it. I won’t lose sleep over it.

"Hey Paul, re..remember when you were in The Beatles? That was awesome."

by Five-Tool Tool on Feb 12, 2012 1:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I think understanding the numbers of the game make it way more fun to watch

Sure, some people use it to dehumaize the game, but i prefer to frame these stats as a way of knowing just how unlikely and therefore awesome some events are. On a grand scale, baseball pretty much does regress to the mean, and most players are largely predictable in what they’ll do in aggregate over a season. But we don’t watch a season of baseball at a time. We watch each game. And in each game is variation from the average… sometimes huge variation which gets lost in an average. Actually I think along with batting averages and wOBAs we should have some sort of batting variances too… actually I’m going to start looking into this this weekend since im intrigued by the concept… post forthcoming eventually…. Anyway, recognizing how incredible some events are makes them more exciting (would you have ever gotten fired up about a guy taking a walk twice in a game if you didn’t realize just how infrequently he did it ::coughcoughjeffrancoeurcoughcough::). Sure its cool to cheer for our players to succeed, and the other teams players to fail, i just think its even more fun when you know you’ve seen something totally unexpected

Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?

by KeithsMoustache on Feb 11, 2012 11:52 AM EST reply actions  

Reminds me of William Goldman's quote about Hollywood

(regarding market research/experience/“smarts” in forecasting which movie would be a hit. “No one knows anything”. Obviously, many people know quite a lot…but in terms of predictive value, you can be stuffed to the gills with knowledge on what has happened before, and still not figure out what is gonna happen.

Echoing Keithsmoustache (who, btw via Twitter, turned me on to my new favorite artist Joe Lally. You should legally download all of his stuff, or play him on Spotify) the game-by-game variance is the “noise” that makes baseball so much fun to follow. I am way behind much of you wise folks in my sabrometrical chops, but I know I have picked up much knowledge here (and elsewhere) which has added immeasurably to my enjoyment of the game…and has also, to my chagrin, turned me into a bit of a scold with my long-suffering Dad and Brother who are both Yankees Fans and dismissive of all but BA/HR/RBI stats.

by neoncleon on Feb 11, 2012 3:09 PM EST reply actions  

A much as I like to take credit for people discovering music

The keithsmoustache on twitter isn’t actually me. Someone else had gotten to the name before I could.

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by KeithsMoustache on Feb 11, 2012 3:49 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

I think there's medication you can take for that.

Seriously though I’m somewhere in the middle. Learning about sabermetrics and advanced stats has enhanced both my understanding of the game and my enjoyment. But by nature of the fact that I’m mathematically challenged I’ll never grasp the formulas used to determine the stats. Therefore, even though I’ll look past BA and RBIs – to the slash line or the home/away splits, check out WAR and UZR – look past ERA to WHIP, etc – it allows me to still enjoy the game, still have that ‘anything is a possibility mindset even while realizing it’s probably still unlikely.

Looking past all these advanced stats to how they’re derived and/or what the odds are based on what the stats say on paper turns my enjoyment into a chore. That’s the main reason I don’t do fantasy baseball. That’s the mindset that allows me to still enjoy the season even though we’re likely to be fighting to stay out of last place.

It’s a bit like horse racing. We spend a good amount of time during the season at Monmouth Park. If we plan on going the next day, my husband buys the advanced racing form the day before, does his scratch sheet and handicaps every race. Me? I don’t even look at what’s running until we get there. Even then I do about 10 minutes of studying the times, the speed, the previous races and workouts – then check the tote board for the odds until about 10 minutes before the race goes off. Then I make my bet. Which is always an exotic instead of win, place or show. Mostly I lose or break even for the day. Sometimes I win. Once in awhile I win some big exact a or trifecta.

My husband almost always never llses the seed money he started with. Plays the whole summer on house money. For years he’s been saying to me ‘you know, if you’d layoff those exotics and bet a straight win bet, you’d do much better. You almost always have the winning horse somewhere in your bet. Do a little handicapping ahead of time.’
And my answer is always the same….Nope, what’s currently fun will then become a chore or even obsession. Plus, I’d miss out on that very occasional big exact a or trifecta I hit.

Baseball is the same way. I’m glad those smarter than me have figured out the advanced stats and publish them – along with detailed explanations – for those like me. Allows me to take a look and determine probability. But anything more than that, any more time spent pouring over those stats, well then it just becomes a chore. And in turn, would probably take away my enjoyment and sometimes optimism that maybe they’ll beat the odds, some pitcher will have a career year, another will have a breakout year – a couple of batters will play above their normal slash line and maybe, just maybe we’ll have a better year than the collective stats realistically say we will.

After all, if I only believed what I see on paper, I wouldn’t have enjoyed watching the Mets first world championship in ‘69, wouldn’t have been ecstatic when the ‘ball gets by Buckner’, and wouldn’t be thoroughly enjoying a chance taken on a minor league pickup for a questionable knuckleballer being one of my favorite Mets as we go into the 2012 season.

by MetsFan4Decades on Feb 11, 2012 10:43 PM EST reply actions  

You don’t have to be a math expert to utilize sabermetrics.

Sabermetrics, at its basic core, is simply looking at things and asking “Is it true?” and “Why?” Statistic tools provide us help in achieving this, but they are merely the means to an end, a chisel, not the sculpture. The mindset of looking at things objectively is the fundamental, basic first tenet of sabermetrics, not fancy math wizardry.

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by D.Szymborski on Feb 12, 2012 12:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I disagree somewhat on your first statement.

My head starts to hurt anytime I read an explanation or follow a debate on how one derived at a particular stat using conventional formulas. I understand the basic premise but anything past that and my eyes glaze over.

Which is why I’m grateful this sit and a few others routinely publish explanations of how to read these metrics and why conclusions are drawn – or maybe I should say probabilities – based on these stats.

by MetsFan4Decades on Feb 12, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but if you’re satisfied with the process and the underlying evidence justifying it, isn’t that enough?

I only sort of understand all the ins and outs of how planes work and only have a vague notion of the specific mechanism of how antibiotics work, but as long as I have sufficient evidence that they are, in fact, effective, it’s probably not vital that I have a very detailed understanding, no?

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by D.Szymborski on Feb 12, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

That's how I operate

I don’t know the formula for wRC+. I know what wRC+ represents, and what it means, and I accept it as an advanced form of understanding baseball offense.

Hell, I can barely calculate ERA (I always forget which number is the numerator, and which number is the denominator), but I accept the premise of it.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 12, 2012 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

How does "believing what I see on paper" take anything away from crazy unexpected turn of events like Bucker's error?

Even more so with Dickey’s career resurgence? All advanced stats do is give us a firm grasp at how far he’s come.

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by Ogre39666 on Feb 12, 2012 12:38 AM EST up reply actions  

That was pretty much my point

so maybe I didn’t express myself well enough.

And that’s the reason I love the game of baseball as much as I do. So much fun to follow the team, regardless what the predictions are going in. Now those predictions this year might give me a basis for reality – in not getting my hopes up about how the 2012 ends – but I’ll certainly enjoy the ride.

by MetsFan4Decades on Feb 12, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah this is why i love stats, and baseball in general

they let me know when i’ve seen something amazing, and baseball is full of unlikely heroes on a day to day basis.

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by KeithsMoustache on Feb 12, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

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