2012 Mets Player Profile: Mike Pelfrey
Once upon a time, Mike Pelfrey was considered the Mets’ top prospect. In 2005, the Mets took Pelfrey with the ninth overall pick in the amateur draft, but he didn’t make his professional debut until 2006. In his first year as a professional, Pelfrey pitched for nearly every team in the organization, beginning the year in St. Lucie before playing for Binghamton, Norfolk, and eventually the Mets. In the minors, Pelfrey was mostly outstanding, totaling 10.2 K/9, 3.1 BB/9, and a 2.43 ERA. His cup of coffee with the Mets consisted of four below-average starts, but that wasn’t considered the end of the world at the time. The following year, Pelfrey split his time between AAA and the Mets, pitching to a decent ERA in the minors despite a huge drop in strikeouts and once again putting up below-average numbers with the Mets.
Pelfrey’s first full season with the Mets came in 2008, and compared to his previous stints with the team, it went remarkably well. Over 200.2 innings spanning 32 starts, Pelfrey posted a 3.96 FIP and 4.45 xFIP, even though he struck out less than five-per-nine. In the process, Pelfrey once again got hopes up about his potential performance, but the results in 2009 didn’t match the expectations.
Not much of what Pelfrey was doing on the mound changed – his 4.47 xFIP was virtually identical to his previous season – but his 5.03 ERA wasn’t very pretty. In 2010, the results went back in the other direction, as plenty of Mets fans were calling him the team’s second ace through the first half of the season. Despite a drop-off in the second half of the year, Pelfrey’s 3.66 ERA on the season looked like a step forward. His xFIP, of course, wound up at 4.31, just a shade better than each of the previous two seasons. The rule of thumb was established as follows:
- If Pelfrey’s having an above-average year, he’s not as good as he looks.
- If Pelfrey’s having a below-average year, he’s not as bad as he looks.
And then Pelfrey had a 2011 season that looked a lot like his past few seasons, but the results were worse. His 4.74 ERA looked like a step in the wrong direction, but not much really changed. His 4.55 xFIP was once again very, very similar to what he had done in the past. Mike Pelfrey is a perfect example of Eno Sarris’ point over at Fangraphs that "seasons are also arbitrary endpoints."
As for the upcoming season, Pelfrey’s certainly not exciting, but he should once again be a serviceable member of the rotation. It appears that pitching – especially starting pitching – will be the Mets’ biggest flaw this year, but if Pelfrey were tucked away behind four excellent pitchers, he might not look so bad. If things go his way, the results could look pretty good like they did in 2008 and 2010, and if they don’t, they’ll probably look like 2009 and 2011.
| G | IP | K/9 | BB/9 | HR/9 | BABIP | LOB% | GB% | HR/FB | ERA | FIP | xFIP | WAR | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2011 | 34 | 193.2 | 4.9 | 3.0 | 1.0 | .301 | 68.9% | 45.6% | 9.1% | 4.74 | 4.47 | 4.55 | 0.7 |
| Career | 150 | 876.2 | 5.1 | 3.2 | 0.7 | .306 | 70.6% | 48.5% | 7.7% | 4.40 | 4.24 | 4.52 | 8.6 |
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The only way Pelfrey has a decent year is if he gets lucky with his HR rate again
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only BLUE WALLS.
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Having a league average HR rate is not unlucky
Unless you’re an extreme GB pitcher, having a HR rate much better than the league average is lucky. He’s not Matt Cain who has a track record of low HR rates over many years. He’s had it twice in his career.
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And he's only had HR rates above .85 twice.
His career average is .72. His good years are better then his bad years are bad, but .53 isn’t any more unusual than .98 is for him.
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Here's my question:
Is the best-case scenario with Pelfrey now is for him to be above-average for the first half of the year and then trade him to another team before the “magic” wears off? Does anyone have better realistic scenario for him?
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Exactly what I'm hoping
I’d like an impact bat for Pelf please…
by SFloridaMetsFan on Feb 15, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
adjustments
Can any of the ping-pong nature of his ERA be attributed to adjustments? He has a bad year, and he tweaks some stuff. It’s enough to sorta keep guys a little bit more off balance and result in a little bit more soft contact and balls staying in the park. they catch up and hes back to normal, looking to make adjustments.
Still wish we’d gotten rid of Warthen though.
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when did he drop the curveball/add it back/drop it again?
i know he’s toyed with it back and forth quite a bit
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by KeithsMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
I just don’t see it. He has to provide something more than just pitching a lot, he has no additional value.
I wrote about it here: http://www.metsrospectus.com/2011/12/why-mets-should-non-tender-mike-pelfrey.html
With Pelfrey it comes down to one thing . . .
Missed bats. If he can get swinging misses, he can be good. If he can’t its a long day. Rarely are more than two innings of any of his starts needed to make the assessment.
I couldn't agree more.
He has no ‘out’ pitch that he can go to with regularity to sit batters down.
He has had the good fortune of pitching beside some great players in Santana and Pedro and should have improved his craft just from watching and listening to them, and i dont think he has.
His attitude also seems ‘weak’ at times. When he is coasting he appears on top of the opposition but when he struggles he is awful.
All this said, how do we replace him? On the open market he would be worth $10m roughly and the Mets aint ponying that up. And there is that outside hope that he does improve, even if only slightly and gives us a reasonably good season.
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by ScottfromPeekskill on Feb 14, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
This is it
He does not miss bats. Low K numbers reflect this inability. The only time I remember when he looked “good” was when he had his splitter working and he was getting swings and misses and weak contact.
Am I doing this right?
by brooklynberger on Feb 14, 2012 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
He just needs to keep the HRs down
He’s fine if he can do that. He’s basically a more durable, less disastrous Jason Marquis but I’m sure someone can find some upside inside of him. If similarly bad pitchers like Wade Davis have some value on the open market, I’m sure we can get something back for him at the deadline if he starts off well enough. Even if no one offers anything good, he’s a dependable arm who can at least give us semi-palatable innings (if you don’t watch them closely enough) for the rest of the season.
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if pelfs licks are high
the game will make me cry
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by the caveman on Feb 14, 2012 6:01 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Yup
He sure had some sub-par defense behind him, boosting up his ERA from where it should have been, in the mid-4.00s.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 14, 2012 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
Then in 2012,Pelf's ERA should be even higher with sub-par defense at 3rd-C-RF-2nd and unproven at SS.
Only decent D is at 1B and CF.
by Putnan Prince on Feb 16, 2012 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
As was said, if he were behind three or four other solid starters, Mike Pelfrey would be a fine pitcher
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 14, 2012 6:44 PM EST reply actions
I wouldn't say fine.
But passable? Sure.
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by Steve Schreiber on Feb 14, 2012 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
Intriguing semantics
I suddenly realised that fine has two quite distinct meanings. Saying “he is a fine pitcher” implies he is very good, but saying “he’ll be fine” particularly with the right tone of voice would precisely mean he’ll be passable. Sorry, that might be of interest only to me!
"And then Pelfrey had a 2011 season that looked a lot like his past few seasons"
SwStrk%
2010 6.0
2009 5.8
2011 5.5
Basically, if Pelfrey is putting up a flukey good year, the Mets should trade him at the deadline. That SwStrk% was third lowest in the majors last year and his GB% was the lowest of his career (45.7%). These are red flags that do not augur well for his future.
Oh pissing blimey there's jam coming out of the walls!
any chance pelf can develop a cliff lee like transformation? al he needs is one out pitch right?
Also attitude
Impeccable control
Confidence
…ughhh never mind
by jhMLB on Feb 14, 2012 8:34 PM EST via mobile reply actions
There's always a chance, but the name "Cliff Lee"
is just far and away more badass than “Mike Pelfrey”, I just don’t see it happening. Wouldn’t that be something, though. For what it’s worth, I’d say it’s more likely than Jeff Francouer tapping into his own potential.
"Baseball is like church. Many attend, but few understand."
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"I'm a huge advocate of pitching"
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And yet, Francouer did just that last season…
… so, you’re saying Pelf’s a lock?
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by the caveman on Feb 15, 2012 10:14 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
On the facebook page
Someone tried to argue that they should get three pitchers who cost a million each to take Pelf’s spot in the rotation. Ugh.
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At the end of the day
Mike Pelfrey is a league average pitcher.
The fact that he is the third best pitcher on the team is a reflection on the team, not on him.
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