Mets' Second Look Suits Daniel Murphy
You'll have to forgive me if I hold my breath regarding Daniel Murphy and second base.
As I read how Tim Teufel recently started working Murphy into the best shape of his life at Port St. Lucie this week, my relief at hearing about honest-to-goodness baseball activity barely negates my belief that the Mets should cover their projected second baseman with bubble wrap until Opening Day. Admittedly, he's probably turning two against baserunners in the Jay Horowitz mold rather than the bush leaguers looking to make a name for themselves. It was also his own footwork that brought his 2011 experiment at second base to a close with a little help from Jose Constanza of the Atlanta Braves.
It's not even the fragility that frightens me most about Murphy up the middle. It's that thinking of him trying to reinvent himself in Flushing reminds me of the Mets moving Mike Piazza or Todd Hundley out of their comfort zones to try and extract a litle more offensive value from their aging sluggers. Or Jose Reyes adjusting to the other side of the diamond while Kazuo Matsui shoddily sticks at shortstop. Or Howard Johnson looking lost in center field after making a career for himself at the hot corner.
But Teufel, who himself wasn't exactly a defensive dynamo at second base, can get Murphy on track. Right?
Make no mistake -- Murphy's the favorite to hold court at second base on Opening Day because he can hack it better than the other options. The debate isn't whether he can outhit the likes of Justin Turner or Ronny Cedeno -- he most certainly can -- but whether he can hit enough to hide any shortcomings on defense.
Maybe I'm just short-selling Murphy's defensive range at second base compared to the other options:
| Season | Inn | Plays | RngR | ErrR | UZR | UZR/150 |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Turner | 679.1 | 167 | -7 | -1.8 | -11.5 | -20.9 |
| Murphy | 168.1 | 48 | 2.6 | -0.5 | 1.8 | 12 |
| Cedeno | 525.1 | 114 | 3.7 | -0.5 | 4.5 | 12.2 |
Or not. It's tough to short sell anyone's defensive capabilities when their career record amounts to just over one tenth of one season. Same goes for Turner, who accumulated about a third of a season's worth of innings at second base from what the Mets assigned him in 2011 (the Orioles gave him 25 innings and all of four plays in his time in Baltimore). It also applies to Cedeno, who accrued less than Turner's time in parts of six seasons because he was busy playing shortstop.
It's a big unknown, which is probably better than what Jack Wilson offered to the Mets and certainly cheaper than what Luis Castillo or Orlando Hudson would have provided if Omar Minaya had his way. Methinks my stomach churns only because the unknown is so big; that Murphy should get as good a chance as anyone if only because realistic reinforcements aren't exactly banging down the door yet from the organization's minor league system.
Murphy set the bar of reinvention for himself awfully low in 2009 when he crashed and burned in left field, just as Piazza and Hundley and HoJo did once upon a time at their "new" positions. It remains to be seen whether Murphy's athletic or durable enough to serve as Ruben Tejada's double play partner in the near or far term, and we're a long ways away from thinking of second base without a question mark. Considering that this could be his last shot at sticking with the Mets (because where else can you play him if Ike Davis and David Wright are healthy?), he's a long shot in every sense of the word.
As are his employer, whose present sorry state grants me the ability to exhale from time to time in exaltation whenever Murphy doesn't trip over his feet on a grounder up the middle. I'm certainly not sold on him, but I'll refrain from selling him short, too.
After all, I rooted for Hundley and Piazza to pull off their new positions, too.
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If the stars align
Reese Haves stays on the field and is ready to take over at the key stone when Murph goes down with another injury.
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-1. Not cool at all dude
Seriously the new toy is always exciting to open and play with but we have yet to break in Murphy and your already prefering he breaks again rather than breaks through. I’m still looking for him to be our Don Mattingly ,so be it at 2nd. If the stars are ready to align Reese Havens plays healthy all season picking up milb at bats
by Hellobrooklyn on Feb 16, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe I didn't express myself clear enough
But I don’t want Muphy to brak down, I fear however that there is a fair chance that he will and when/if this happens I hope that Havens will be healthy and ready to go.
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by SwedeMet on Feb 16, 2012 2:39 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Freak occurrences are freak occurences because they're freak occurrences
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 16, 2012 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
I hope you are right
The Mets need Murphys bat in the line up.
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"But Teufel, who himself wasn't exactly a defensive dynamo at second base, can get Murphy on track. Right?"
As strange as this is, I have found that people who aren’t great at something are better teachers because they have had to struggle and learn.
People who have natural talent often find themselves unable to explain what they do or why. People who squeeze a lot out of their talent often have to learn exactly what to do and why, just to get to “okay.”
This.
See: Williams, Ted – Manager, Washington Senators
Bird, Larry – Head Coach, Indiana Pacers
The 2011 New York Mets: Well, I been down so goddamned long, that it looks like up to me.
The point is right, but those aren't really the best examples, are they?
Both won Manager/Coach of the year, both headed some good teams, and both pretty dramatically improved their squads. (Bird’s Pacers drastically overachieved offensively, and Williams really improved his teams’ plate discipline.) I think they just didn’t have the temperament to do it long-term.
I think some better examples might be, say, Rogers Hornsby and Isiah Thomas.
Murph looked decent enough at 2b in his limited time there
His motions are freaky and he doesn’t look natural in the slightest, but he has good hands and a lot of range.
It’s a different scenario than other position switches in team history. Piazza was in his late 30s and was beat up, Hundley was the farthest thing from an athlete we’ve ever seen (boy could he mash though), and HoJos glove was brutal everywhere he played.
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by piazza62 on Feb 16, 2012 11:27 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I agree with this.
Murph is not aesthetically pleasing on D, but if you just look at what he does, and not the way he does it, I really feel like he’s a decent 2b. Maybe he cuts it defensively, maybe he doesn’t, but I dont’ think this is anywhere near the debacles that the Piazza or Hundley switches were.
by SoCal Metfan on Feb 16, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
The Hundley thing was like a sick joke that everyone was in on
even the man himself, who took it in stride when he could have been sulking. Thats how i remember it at least.
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by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Feb 16, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
This
For months, a large percentage of the fanbase says that Murphy isn’t a second baseman, he sucks, yada, yada, yada. I’ve asked numerous people, online here, online elsewhere, and in person to point out to me all of the various examples of how he is a horrible defensive second baseman, and how his play there cost the team (runs, games, whatever in-between). Outside of the two freak injuries he incurred (one partially his fault, the other not at all his fault), and the fact that he looks sloppy (which isn’t quantified in any way, in terms of runs he allowed, games lost as a result, etc.), nobody has answered my question. For months, I’ve been asking, and nothing.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 16, 2012 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
For now, there isn't any other realistic option, so we can only hope he doesn't get injured.
Even if his BABIP crashes 150 points and he post a Duda-like defense there, he’ll still be the main option for 2B.
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10,000 hours
that’s the Malcolm Gladwell rule to becoming an expert. Let’s stick him at 2B absolutely as much as possible over the next 8 weeks, with hours not spent actually playing 2B being spent watching great defensive 2Bs. I believe you can learn instinctive behavior if you work hard enough at it. Obviously he’ll get nowhere near 10,000 hours this year, but he already has a base skill set to work with.
Me thinks he should set up his bed over the 2B bag, so he can rack up more 2B miles at night.
After accumulating certain number of 2B miles, he can exchange them for UZR points*
*Read the fine print for the rules of points conversion and expiration date.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 16, 2012 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
Well
we had to keep Jeff Francoeur out of the city somehow.
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by Steve Schreiber on Feb 16, 2012 10:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
As soon as he heard OBP was indeed going to be on the Diamondvision, he wanted the first flight outta there
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 17, 2012 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
Question
Is there a particular reason UZR is used here (on AA) more commonly than DRS? Is it just a matter of preference or is UZR considered more accurate than DRS? I know UZR is best used in 3 year samples, but I don’t if DRS works similarly, or can it be a good measurement from year to year. All answers on this question are appreciated.
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UZR is the fielding runs value used in fangraphs total WAR value
so it useful in the context of overall WAR and helps to compare defensive runs to batting runs. It’s also the first fielding stat you see in the player page on fangraphs, in their “dashboard”, which adds to the ease with the statistic.
Neither UZR or DRS are perfect, and preferably one should use both numbers to create an educated guess of what actually happened on the field. Again neither should be used (and were never intended to be used) as a good source of predicting a players defensive talent going forward. However they offer a good guess of what actually happened in the past, provided a full season of data.
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by Blame-everyone-else on Feb 16, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Okay
Pretty much what I thought. So it’s mostly a preference of using fangraphs.com as oppose to baseball-reference.com.
But is DRS also not a good measurement for year to year defensive stats like UZR?
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I truly believe that Murph will be a defensively adequate, offensively above average second baseman
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by KeithsMoustache on Feb 16, 2012 12:01 PM EST reply actions
agreed
Let the hammer play. if I remember in his short sample last season the kid was batting over 300 with some good power numbers. Defensively it wasn’t a complete debauchle. with a little foot work he can be good.
he proved by default to be better than turner and tejada. those two can’t hit and one barely fields well.
its a no brainer
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by the caveman on Feb 16, 2012 3:44 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
regardless
they WILL need his bat since he’s the only one now who can hit .300.
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by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Feb 16, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
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But Teufel, who himself wasn’t exactly a defensive dynamo at second base, can get Murphy on track. Right?
I bet Henrik Lundqvist’s goaltending coach was an all-time great. He’d have to be to produce one of the current best goaltenders, right? Nope. His name is Benoit Allaire and unless your really into hockey you’d never know who he is. Knowing what needs to be done and physically being able to do it yourself are two very different things.
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This
I love to golf, but I am a horrible golfer, yet I have fixed many people’s swings, some of whom have done fairly well in competitions. In a lot of ways, I have always been a better coach than player and I do buy into that.
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I disagree with there not being options in the minors
Valdespin can probably handle 2nd, and we know Havens can handle (if healthy, big if, yes) it. This is a team that doesn’t have much speed in the organization, so a guy like Valdespin could prove useful someday. Those two most likely have the bats to be serviceable someday at least. Hopefully they each have good years in AAA, and prove themselves ready if something happens to Murph. Murphy is obviously the best option, though. And remember, if he’s shaky on D, he can be removed for late inning D by Cedeno.
Valdespin's not ready, though.
And as much as I like Havens, he’s never made it through a season healthy.
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by BobbyV_Incognito on Feb 17, 2012 1:28 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, right.
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