Spring Training Starts Tomorrow! Applesauce: Re-read That Title Again and Again and Again and Enjoy It
by Steve Schreiber on Feb 19, 2012 10:40 AM EST
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Pitchers and catchers officially report to Port St. Lucie tomorrow. Stop for a second and savor that phrase in your mind. It's baseball season!
Sandy Alderson spoke to the media on Saturday about a range of topics, beginning with the status of David Wright. Sandy said that the team's decision on what to do with Wright will be independent of the team's record, since the Mets hold a 2013 option on him and can just keep him, unlike Carlos Beltran a year ago. Sandy also spoke about Johan Santana, player acquisitions and what to expect from the team's trio of pitching prospects at the major league level this year (Hint: not much).
Andy Martino presents five questions for the 2012 Mets as they head into spring training.
Scott Kazmir threw a bullpen session in front of scouts on Friday, although the Mets did not send one. Dave Lennon reports that the team just isn't interested in the lefty at this time.
Mr. Met had a cameo on 30 Rock a couple of days ago. Good to see that the acting career of everybody's favorite mascot is panning out. Now he just needs to get himself a speaking role.
Edit: Just saw this posted a little while ago and figured Mets fans might be interested in reading it--a great article on former Met Taylor Buchholz and his battle with depression.
Around the Majors
Closers with new addresses became sort of a theme this offseason and now they are ready to help their new teams. New Phillies closer Jonathan Papelbon is ready to begin a new chapter in his career, while new Red Sox closer Andrew Bailey is ready to take over Papelbon.
Roy Oswalt is at the top of the class of free agents who are still looking for teams. I'll say it again, just in case Sandy reads this: we'd love to see him in the Mets rotation and he'd make great trade bait at the deadline. Just a suggestion.
Theo Epstein is working hard to develop the "Cubs Way", which is basically a guide for players in the organization to follow.
Finally, Adam Wainwright is back on the mound for the rebuilt Cardinals.
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Was it Chuck Finley
that waited until ST for a more desirable contract and ended up having to retire? Oswalt looks to be getting into that territory. I’d like to see him on the Mets, but farm land is scarce in Queens.
Nice to see Paps is starting a new chapter in his career. I can only hope that chapter is titled “Mark Davis” or “BJ Ryan”.
Just one more day until BASEBALL!
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(you don’t know how desperately I wanted to put One Dog here)
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by piazza62 on Feb 19, 2012 11:15 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
its time
a little roller
I hate Philadelphia so much.
by the caveman on Feb 19, 2012 11:50 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Wright's Status
Sandy said it was independent of the team’s record, but he didn’t say it was independent of the team’s finances. Absent new ownership, the cash crunch comes in 2013 and 2014, and with regard to Wright, Bay and Santana I think that is going to be kept in mind.
“The team will surely shop Wright, but they aren’t locked into trading him.”
That just means that for Wright, assuming a good year, they will want top prospects a la Beltran, prospects that could be major leaguers when the other top Mets prospects would be major leaguers. Otherwise, no trade this year. (But perhaps a trade in the offseason or next year).
Whereas for Bay and Santana, they would be happy with just getting rid of part of the salary and the options, a la K-Rod. And even that would require a big comeback.
We’re in the equivalent of salary cap hell despite being below the salary cap, and getting out from under is the likely goal for a couple of years.
Keep Dubs in Queens
its just got to happen.
I hate Philadelphia so much.
by the caveman on Feb 19, 2012 11:52 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Nothing is independent of the finances these days
But regarding that, they could hope that the financial situation starts to resolve itself a bit by the time they’d need to make a long-term decision on signing Wright. Unless it gets worse over the course of the year and there is a huge crunch where they need to shed even more money immediately…they’re shouldn’t be a rush to trade Wright. Even if the money situation doesn’t drastically improve…having Santana and Bay off the books post-2013 could allow them to sign Wright assuming they want to and he wants to.
And I do agree that the Mets being out of the race shouldn’t be an impetus to trade Wright…you don’t trade Wright just to trade him, not when you still have him for another year. I could see the teams performance having an indirect effect on whether he’s traded. Wright would probably want to see some signs that the team is moving in the right direction before re-signing here…if the team is brutal and he starts leaning towards not signing well then the Mets probably would be more apt to deal him.
I understand that nothing at all is independent of the financial straits now
But would Wright really command too much to be out of the Mets reach? I can’t imagine he earns more than Adrian Beltre by the time he hits free agency, factoring in defense he might not even get that much.
Of course, he may go all Zack Greinke on us and ask to be traided to a contender, in which case, screw him, but I agree with you in that the Mets shouldn’t trade him just because it’s something to do.
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If he has a good season in 2012 and 2013
I imagine he’ll probably command much more than Beltre, even considering the fact that Beltre’s a far superior defender. Wright’s a bigger name, he’ll be 31 in the first year of the deal (a year younger than Beltre in 2011 with the Rangers) and though I don’t believe in this myth, there was long the belief that Beltre “stepped it up” in contract years or whatever nonsense just because he happened to bust out in 2004 and 2010. Wright’s never had that and he’s also considered a “face of the franchise”, for whatever that’s worth.
I wouldn’t be shocked if he’s able to grab a $100 million contract from some team, if he leaves the Mets, for say 5 to 6 years. Of course, that’s all contingent on his getting back to 05-08 levels of production (or even his less special 2010 level).
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by Steve Schreiber on Feb 19, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t be shocked if he’s able to grab a $100 million contract from some team
And I wouldn’t be shocked if that team regretted the deal the same year he signs it.
I like David, but i’m hoping he has a great year and they can get a great return in trade. I don’t think his future is with this team.
Oh pissing blimey there's jam coming out of the walls!
Yeah, I sort of agree.
I’m still on the fence with regards to David’s future here, but considering how disappointing he’s been the past three seasons, I’m more understanding of letting him go/dealing him if they can get at least a young future star in return. Even if the young pitching prospects develop into solid major leaguers, I think they’re still a few pieces away from legitimately contending and Wright’s likely their greatest means of acquiring those pieces.
Plus, the thought of a long term contract for a 31 year old third baseman who plays poor defense scares me. If this team was contending right now, then sure…it makes more sense to just go for it and re-sign him. But a lot depends on the development of the young guys and how Wright rebounds in 2012/13.
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by Steve Schreiber on Feb 19, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
That makes no sense, but sounds realistic
David Wright getting a bigger deal than Beltre, who put up a fantastic 7 WAR season in Boston before he signed with Texas (and a still impressive 5.7 after), even though Beltre is probably better anyway defies all contractual logic.
I don’t want the Mets to pay premium for crap like “knows how to win”, “can play in New York”, or “face of the franchise”. The Mets have to carefully gauge his worth and how the market views him after this season. I don’t agree with trading him just because a team offers prospects or because he’ll be too expensive. If it looks like both will be factors, his future might not be here after all.
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I've come to realize that free agency, in general, makes no sense
so you’ve got to think like the average numbskull GM.
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by Steve Schreiber on Feb 19, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
The whole industry is a numbskull industry
Wright would be an easier jersey and ticket sell and that’s worth it to most. This is a sport in which the Marlins pitching rotation is considered to be better because they overpaid Mark Buehrle to replace a superior pitcher in Vasquez.
Nothing surprises me anymore, that’s why I’m so disappointed that you have a valid point. :(
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by piazza62 on Feb 19, 2012 2:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think he's considering it, but he really doesn't need to
I’d rather have him on a short term deal than almost every pitcher in the market today.
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by piazza62 on Feb 19, 2012 3:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That 2010 was also Beltre's first good year in awhile
He always had some value b/c of his great defense…but some of his years in Seattle were deplorable offensively. We think Wright’s offense has been bad of late (and clearly its not what it was)…but its still better than what Beltre pre-Boston was doing by a pretty wide margin. He put up a sub-.700 OPS in 2009, didn’t top a .330 OBP in any of his years in Seattle…and has only topped .800 a few times in his career. Teams were probably leery that 2010 was a bit of a fluke.
And really even last yr offensively he was kinda meh for most of the year. The first half of the year he put up a .297 OBP and a .737 OPS and through the first week of Sept he had a .315 OBP and a .807 OPS. Then he closed out the season absolutely on fire the last 15 or so games and his numbers and jumped his OPS up about 100 points…but most of that year Beltre wasn’t really looking like a steal at all.
With Wright it will depend on a lot of things. Obviously if he’s playing like he did from ‘09-’10, you shouldn’t pay him for ‘05-’08 type production….so if he’s looking for that type of $$ it probably is smartest to move on. But otherwise, even if he’s just the 09-10 version..and is willing to be compensated as such, I think you can keep him.
To be fair to Beltre,
Safeco Field is murder on right-handed power hitters. His 2004 with LA was probably a little fluky overall but his numbers would’ve looked more palatable in a better hitting environment. And he’s probably the best defensive third baseman in the game right now, too.
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by Steve Schreiber on Feb 19, 2012 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah no doubt that was part of it
But then again…hitting in hitters havens in Boston and Texas were also probably pretty key to his rebound. And though LA probably leans towards being a pitchers park…its not the nightmare some other parks are…and outside of 2004 (where he was amazing) his offensive numbers were not that impressive there either…(though he was really young during his days there). And of course point of OPS+ is to sort of control for those stadium differences (it doesn’t account for everything..handedness or the mental issues some parks might cause) and his numbers OPS+ wise aren’t that impressive…. only 110 for his career.
And yeah his D is great. But I do admit I have a pretty strong offense over defense bias. Not to completely dismiss the value of defense, but I am always highly skeptical of players who get most of their WAR value from their defense.
Beltre had more sub 100 wRC+ season in LA then everywhere else he's played combined (4 compared to 2).
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Depends on what kind of year he has
If Wright looks like the Wright of old…he’s better than Beltre. If he doesn’t…something along what Beltre gets is what he’d get. And then the question is can the Mets afford that? Would they want to pay that? Would Wright actually want to stay?
maybe the Mets can sign Jeremy Lin to bring in the fannies?
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by feslenraster on Feb 19, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
having Santana and Bay off the books post-2013 could allow them to sign Wright assuming they want to and he wants to.
We thought the same thing about Jose Reyes and Castillo, Perez, K-Rod, and Beltran coming off the books.
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They could have given Reyes a decent deal,
they just couldn’t meet the price when the marlins busted through what should have been (and was, to every other team) the ceiling.
I Don't Want To See Wright Go
Just like I didn’t want to see Reyes go. When you have someone who is a team icon, to me that carries more value than just performance on the field, so maybe you overpay a little at the end of their careers.
Rather than overpay for imported players, which to me never makes sense.
But not only do I not think the Mets can meet Wright’s 2014 price, I don’t think they can meet his 2013 cost. They may not be able to get rid of Santana and Bay’s salary that year, but they can get rid of Wright’s pay and perhaps get something in return.
by WT Economist on Feb 19, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
Please
They never even made him an offer. They had time where they could negotiate with Reyes exclusively in the begining of the offseason and Reyes and his agent kept saying “We haven’t heard from the Mets yet”
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I'll say it again, just in case Sandy reads this: we'd love to see him in the Mets rotation and he'd make great trade bait at the deadline.
Like Smokey and The Miracles, I second that emotion.
Oh pissing blimey there's jam coming out of the walls!
agreed.
id be happy if sandy just kicked the tires a bit and let the report get out.
oswalt isnt the fringe depth we need, and theres no way we can sign him to that role, but with his market this quiet, you cant pass the chance.
hed be insurance for johanas arm, and a threat to pelf and gee to have a strong spring.
Insert witty comeback here
Oswalt would be a "threat to Pelf and Gee"?...
If Oswalt is signed you can bet your ass Gee finds himself back in Buffalo.
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gee in aaa
dont you think that hinder him long term?
isnt this season about long term?
oswalts nice, and hed be a great piece to move at the deadline if hes healthy, but if johans healthy i rather see pelf hurt by an oswalt signing rather than gee
i wanna see what gee can do. dont take away his sophomore season.
Insert witty comeback here
Gee isn't anything more then a back of the rotation arm.
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He pitched most of 2011 and wasn't very good
He’s ceiling as a pitcher is basically what he is now, but additional seasoning in AAA can’t hurt.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 19, 2012 6:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm not a huge Gee fan myself but I do agree...
I wouldn’t totally write him off just yet. I think his command can certainly improve and he actually had a decent strikeout rate last season for a guy with his stuff. I don’t think he’ll ever be a world beater but he’s only in his second full season. There’s still plenty of time for improvement and I think it’s foolish to say that he’ll never improve and be replacement level forever.
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by Steve Schreiber on Feb 19, 2012 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
But if you could only have one of Gee and Oswalt starting on the MLB roster, who would you chose?
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In a vacuum, of course you'd go with Oswalt assuming he's healthy and could pitch like 2010 or even 2008.
But thinking about where this team is right now, they should be giving young guys a chance to see what kind of value they have for the future and Gee fits the criteria—young and cheap. Stuffing him in the minors only puts off the evaluation process for a year and I’m not sure if AAA gives him enough of a challenge to help him improve. I think if you’re bringing in Oswalt, the guy who you would rather drop from the rotation is Pelfrey, since you hope that Oswalt can give you Pelf’s 200 innings at a better quality and Pelf seems to be stagnating.
Again, I’m not really a Gee fan but I think you want to see what you have in the guy and see if he can make the adjustments to improve, rather then burying him.
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by Steve Schreiber on Feb 19, 2012 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
But by dropping Pelf, you giving up the possibility of trading him if he can put together a year like '10.
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Either way, you're hurting the value of one of them.
Gee’s probably got the potential to have a higher value, due to his low cost and the fact that he was basically as good as Pelfrey as a rookie.
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by Steve Schreiber on Feb 19, 2012 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
You'd still be crazy to play either of them over Oswalt.
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Of course.
That’s why I said I’d start Gee and drop Pelfrey.
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by Steve Schreiber on Feb 19, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
Any word if they are going to represent with #8 patches on
there jersey’s this year.
Nothing yet.
I’m sure they’ll announce something like that as they get closer to opening day.
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by Steve Schreiber on Feb 19, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
No
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by Dandy Salderson on Feb 19, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
Here's some samples of what I want to see
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by JavaJoe on Feb 19, 2012 1:57 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I think they should just retire the number
Have a ceremony on 8/8 when Reyes is in town, and get the message to him that #7 ain’t never being retired because it wasn’t worn by a winner™
Failing that, they should retire the number on Opening Day.
One day, this team is going to kill me.
by fxcarden on Feb 19, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
He didn't do nearly enough with the Mets to have his number retired.
Only 11.2 bWAR over 5 years.
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I'm neutral on this
But you can never say he didn’t do enough for the mets, WAR be damned.
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by piazza62 on Feb 19, 2012 3:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I can
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 19, 2012 3:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Saying he didn't do enough
Is like citing Gil Hodges’ winning percentage and tenure and saying his shouldn’t be retired.
Different situation, but without Carter, theres no 1986 championship. We wouldn’t be having this conversation if the Hall listened and split his cap.
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by piazza62 on Feb 19, 2012 3:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He had one really good year (1985) and a bunch of good to meh ones (good: 1986, meh: 1987, 88, 89).
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by that logic
do we retire Doc, Darryl, Keith, Mookie, Darling, Ojeda, Dykstra, Orosco, Sid, etc.?
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by brooklynberger on Feb 19, 2012 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
I would retire Koosman's number
He was easily one of the best pitchers in team history, and played a big part in a world championship team, and a pennant win team.
by graves9 on Feb 20, 2012 2:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Same
He is still in second or third for majority of the team’s pitching records.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 20, 2012 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
I'd retire Koosman
before I retired anyone from the ‘86 squad. Gooden is the only guy from ’86 I’d even consider, to be completely honest (he DID have a very good Mets career, just not as good as most people thought it was gonna be).
Piazza is really the only guy though that is a slam dunk for me. Personally, I don’t mind only retiring the numbers of guys who are in the HOF as Mets.
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Without anyone on the 1986cake team who contributed at one point, there would be no 1986one ring
Art Shamsky also has about the same stats, in about the same amount of time, with a World Championship ring. Want to give him a call about retiring his number? Or, Lee Mazzilli- at least he has a long tenure with the team.
If the HoF had stupidly put two caps on Carter’s plaque, he still wouldn’t be deserving of having his number retired with the Mets. At the end of the day, over ~5 years with the Mets, he was a .250/.300/.400 hitter (thereabouts, rounding), with a general net neutral defense. That’s not good enough, or long enough.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 19, 2012 6:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Lol, autocorrect randomly wrote 'cake'
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 19, 2012 6:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think you're misunderstanding the gist of my comments
I’m not saying it should be retired, but I’m never going to try to discourage anyone that does.
Carter had 2 consecutive top 10 MVP finishes here, was a fan favorite, 4 time all star, world champion with the Mets, and wanted to go in the Hall as a Met. I’m ok with whoever the team wants and doesn’t want to retire. I wouldn’t retire his number but I would be ok if they did.
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by piazza62 on Feb 19, 2012 7:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well, I'm more outspoken,
And would disparage others, and wouldn’t be okay with it. And cake, lol.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 19, 2012 7:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
In order of '86 NLCS, '86 World Series and '88 NLCS:
.148/.207/.185 (27 ABs)
.276/.267/.552 (29 ABs)
.222/.250/.333 (27 ABs)
SSS, but cool stats.
By comparison, that unclutch, choking loser David Wrongz in the 2006 NLDS and NLCS hit:
.333/385/.500 (12 ABs)
.160/.276/.320 (25 ABs)
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 19, 2012 6:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
if Carter's number gets retired
b/c of playoff performance, than Edgardo Alfonzo gets a statue. He was better in the regular season AND the postseason as a Met, by a pretty wide margin.
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No
The patch is a great idea…(though not the one on Ike that looks weird). But Gary simply wasn’t productive enough as a Met to warrant having his number retired. I like that the Mets have been pretty stingy with that honor.
If they do more Mets-ifying of the stadium
They should just show him getting the hit to start the Game 6 rally.
Along with a patch. That’s good.
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by Aidan Gibson on Feb 19, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
The various banners of Mets players past and present they have around the stadium
Gary Garter running and jumping into the air upon the win is one of them.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 19, 2012 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
Oswalt
I think we should kick the tired on him but wait until the 11th hour. If he pitches well, use him for trade bait
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by feslenraster on Feb 19, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
Love that gigantic grin on TC's face
I want to describe it as a shit-eating grin, because that’s what it looks like, but I imagine it must be a genuine reaction to Ike Davis running without pain or Duda being hazed or something.
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tc smiling
50 maybe 60 games tops in the win column
tc will stop smiling come the middle of april
Cool story, bro!
Mike Francessa told you that? Did you call in and agree, and have him agree that you agreed?
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 19, 2012 6:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
It's fucking logic!
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only BLUE WALLS.
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You said you were interested in playing in the Sabermetrics! Fantasy League, right? Well I have two managers who I haven’t heard a pep from so if you’re sill interested, let me know.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 19, 2012 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
Kay predicted the Mets would win 55 games this year
and we know he's objective
by graves9 on Feb 20, 2012 2:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
50 - 60 wins . . .
You can predict that if you want, but to call that the best case scenario is just ignorant. It’s a worst case scenario and would require many things going wrong.
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by Terry_is_God on Feb 19, 2012 7:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
50-60 wins by the middle of April?
I don’t know how the hell that’d work but I will open the First Church of Terry Collins if he could somehow get the team to win 50 games in a span of two weeks.
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by Steve Schreiber on Feb 19, 2012 7:51 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Oh, please.
50 or 60 wins? It would take a massive wave of devastating injuries for that to happen.
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by BobbyV_Incognito on Feb 19, 2012 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
Even when that's happened (ie every year since 2009)
We’ve still been at 70+. Then again, we’ve never missed Reyes’ 10-19 WAR production before now…
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I don't like the Candiens
but that’s awesome
I like sports again. Thank you Tom & Eli. The Wilpons can still go suck it.
shit that is awesome
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by brooklynberger on Feb 19, 2012 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
Carter passes to Carter
Carter has the puck. Behind the net, passes to Carter. Carter shoots! Defected, but Carter gets the rebound. Passes to Carter, Carter with the slapshot!
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 19, 2012 11:10 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
When did we hire Robert Blake as manager?
Bold move.
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