Dillon Gee Has Some Work To Do
Most people already assume Dillon Gee will be in the Mets' starting rotation this season, a defensible position given the dearth of other options. Everyone else is either underdeveloped (Matt Harvey, Zack Wheeler, Jeurys Familia) or not on the Mets (lots of guys). Chris McShane suggested in his profile a few weeks ago that, under more propitious circumstances, Gee would be ticketed for the Triple-A rotation:
In a perfect world, Gee would begin the season in Buffalo and provide depth for the rotation, but the Mets just don’t have very much starting pitching right now. As a result, Gee should get another full season opportunity to prove his doubters wrong by showing some improvement.
Gee, a marginal prospect1 coming up through the Mets' system, wowed casual onlookers with his 8-1 start and 3.31 ERA through fifteen appearances — including twelve starts — last season. He went 5-5 with a 5.42 ERA the rest of the way, and those same people wondered what had befallen their once-promising future rotation stalwart. Gee himself tried to unpack his 2011 performance, cleaving the good half from the bad half and pegging his latter struggles on fatigue:
"You could tell that in the end nothing looked the same. The movement just wasn’t there like it was in the first half, and pitches weren’t as sharp. I kind of attribute that to [fatigue]."
He continued:
"I would be lying if I said I wasn’t really tired. But it was important for me to experience that.
"I know now what I need to do better. I don’t think that first half was luck at all. I just think I was pitching well. I knew what I was doing. But as soon as I had a couple of bad outings I started pressing a little bit."
Gee should certainly know how he felt, but it's not as if he had been a dominant pitcher in the early going last season. Sure, an 8-1 record looks pretty next to your name, but there was cause for concern even when things were going well.
| W/L | ERA | IP | K/9 | BB/9 | HR/9 | BABIP | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Before June 26 | 8-1 | 3.32 | 76 | 6.0 | 3.6 | 0.6 | 0.247 |
| After June 26 | 5-5 | 5.42 | 85 | 6.7 | 4.4 | 1.4 | 0.301 |
Very few pitchers experience prolonged big league success with strikeout and walk rates as unimpressive as Gee's were during his 8-1 streak. It was somewhat ironic that Gee's ratio of strikeouts to walks improved slightly after things fell apart for him, but more telling is that he allowed many more hits on balls in play and that his home run rate exploded (home runs are out of play, of course).
To Gee's point above, a lack of sharpness could account for a fairly significant drop-off in performance, but we're starting from the false premise that when Gee was sharp, his impressive record and ERA were truly indicative of his performance. The ordinary peripheral numbers coupled with a superstar batting average on balls in play tell a different story: Gee was more successful than he deserved to be given how he was pitching.
If you care to see the PITCHf/x details from before and after Gee's supposed fatigue set in, I encourage you to check them out. In short, he did see a decrease in vertical and horizontal movement on his four-seam fastball and in horizontal movement on his curve, but the vertical movement on his curve actually improved. Overall his pitch movement deteriorated somewhat, though it doesn't paint the picture of a thoroughgoing loss of sharpness. And again, his strikeouts increased in the second half of the season, and PITCHf/x illustrates this by way of higher strike rates across the board on his pitches.
It's worth noting that his ground out rate decreased from 22.6% to 20.5%, which is significant but unremarkable.
At all events, unless someone else comes along in the next six weeks, Gee will be anchoring the back end of the Mets' starting rotation in April. He says he needs to improve his stamina and sharpness this season, and those are definitely good things to work on, but if I were his pitching coach I'd probably have him spend more time on not walking so many batters and trying to keep the ball on the ground. Grounders and walk stinginess will get you pretty far in baseball, even with an unspectacular strikeout rate, but it's not at all clear that Gee is going to turn into that guy.
1 John Sickels ranked him 21st among Mets prospects in 2011. (back)
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I like Gee
Too many walks, but not everyone needs a million strikeouts, look at D Lowe.
He seemed to get out of jams and not get flustered which is great for a rookie, especially when people who rhyme with Tike Melfrey still break down under pressure as veterans.
Yeah Gee has no chance of being the pitcher Lowe has been
I’d ssay best case he’s another Steve Trachsel.
by graves9 on Feb 21, 2012 3:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
lets say..
he is not the 8-1 3.31 pitcher
but also he is not the 5-5 5.42 guy
maybe he is a 7-4, 6-4, or 7-4 guy with a 4.25…that isn’t bad for a 4th or 5th starter at a cheap price. say 2013 is Harvey, Wheeler, Familia, Dickey and Gee…I am good with that
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by Rickfansince76 on Feb 21, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
well you have a 1 and then a 2
and then a 3 and a 4 and a 5
you know what I’m sayin’ ?
One day, this team is going to kill me.
Throwing out W-L record because that's bullshit that means absolutely nothing,
I’m going to guess Gee is a lot closer to the 5.42 ERA than the 3.31 ERA, especially if he can’t keep his walks down.
You rather have Gee in your future rotation over Niese? Unless you dealt Niese for a stud offensive player, you’re nuts.
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by Steve Schreiber on Feb 21, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
So, I stopped caring about anything you said after you mentioned W-L records in your argument
Then the hilarity continued when you assumed a) That all of harvey and wheeler and familia will not only pan out, but will be starters AND ready in 2012, and b) That Dickey (Though we hope to be blessed with long dickey.) will be a member of the 2013 mets.
by Shea Strausman on Feb 22, 2012 3:17 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So, I stopped caring about anything you said after you mentioned Dickey possibly not being on the roster in 2013
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by SuperSantana on Feb 22, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Derek Lowe is a bad comp.
He has posted some insane GB rates in his career to make up for the low K/9. Gee doesn’t have the pitch to do that.
by MetsFanXXIII on Feb 21, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
I agree, and do believe Fatigue was the big problem. plus he is better than Pelfrey
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by Rickfansince76 on Feb 21, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
To clarify, I think Pelfrey's also poo.
But the difference between 2011 Pelfrey and 2011 Gee is pretty negligible in my eyes. I’ll cite their nearly equal K/BB and HR/9. Pelfrey has at least pitched at a somewhat better level in the past.
by MetsFanXXIII on Feb 21, 2012 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
Gee tseems to throw less pitches per inning.
He seems to know how to get guys out, a concept Pelf has no sense of.
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by ScottfromPeekskill on Feb 21, 2012 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure every pitcher knows how to get guys out considering they all do it ~70% of the time
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by BlackOps on Feb 21, 2012 6:50 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
My fault, trying to be satirical but failed.
However, Pelfrey struggles to put a side away when he has them on the ropes.
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by ScottfromPeekskill on Feb 21, 2012 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
Something else to consider.
Gee in fact through fewer overall innings in 2011 than 2010. He really shouldn’t be that fatigued.
by MetsFanXXIII on Feb 21, 2012 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
To be fair,
they do say that Major League innings are more stressful to the arm than minor league innings. But I understand your point.
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by Steve Schreiber on Feb 21, 2012 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
I hope he is in the starting rotation
Sure he fell after a good start but that’s because he’s young. He needs to get his chances and he will learn.
by sfil6 on Feb 21, 2012 2:56 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
I can't stand watching this guy pitch
He walks the ballpark and hits a ton of guys, and doesn’t go deep into games. Hopefully he’ll be replaced in the rotation by Familia in June or July.
by graves9 on Feb 21, 2012 3:18 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Right because those guys
will never walk anyone and pitch 9 innings every time out
on 2 days’ rest
uphill both ways
without gloves or hats or even a baseball
One day, this team is going to kill me.
by fxcarden on Feb 21, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
That is the way I feel about Pelfrey
yet living out of state the last few seasons without the MLB package…it seemed every time the Mets were on national TV, it was Pelf on the mound
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by Rickfansince76 on Feb 21, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
There's something very wrong with your stats chart
No way did Gee have a BB/9 over 5 or a HR/9 over 2.
A 2.9 HR per 9 even over half a season would probably be an all time record.
Something is off with your walk and homer stats.
I think his K and homer rates are the real deal for him. I am hoping he regains his nice BB rates that he had in the minors. I realize some marginal prospects start to walk guys when they hit the majors because they are afraid to throw strikes to sluggers. But Gee seemed to me to just go through bouts of wildness where he’d walk or HBP people in bunches.
Is there any chance that Jennry Mejia makes the team out of Spring Training?
Noone’s really been talking about him but he has pitched in the majors before. It feels like he’s being forgotten about in between the 3 big pitching prospects and the established pitchers.
we will know for sure by the all star break
As I recall, Gee was not consistently bad over the second half but his numbers may be skewed bt two horrible starts against the phillies where he gave up like 8 ER in three innings and one start against nationals where he gave up a grand slam against the pitcher. after those two horrible starts, he pitched effectively against those teams in the next start. thisnsuggests to me that his problem may have been awful command on particular days rather than a general problem of hitters getting comfortable with his pitch repertoire. i like his make up and mound intelligence and i hope he goes 7-3 the first half, something he is eminently capable of
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I really don't like Dillon Gee
I will leave it at that
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 21, 2012 6:31 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
This basically.
He just secretes an overpowering odor of “meh”.
by MetsFanXXIII on Feb 21, 2012 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
I like him quite a bit,
despite the odor. Maybe it’s just a hangover from the mirage-ey start last year, but he doesn’t make me feel hopeless, and that’s my personal metric.
When I think of Mike Pelfrey and Dillon Gee
I think of ‘meh’.
Which is perfectly fine. I get that. But Dillon Gee should not be the Mets third or fourth best starter last year.
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by Aidan Gibson on Feb 21, 2012 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
I like him more than Pelf
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"It was somewhat ironic that Gee's ratio of strikeouts to walks improved slightly after things fell apart for him…"
Based on the stat box above, no it didn’t.
Before: 6.0 to 3.6 (per nine innings) = 1.67 K per walk
After: 6.7 to 4.4 = 1.52 K per walk
Or, roughly a 9% decrease in K:walk ratio after things fell apart.
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