Are the Mets Truly Saber? Part Two
Yesterday, we established -- or at least posited -- that the Mets have acted the part of a sabermetrically-aware team since Sandy Alderson was installed at the helm. In terms of perception and organizational / structural change, the team has pushed boundaries.
Have they pushed those same boundaries with their list of player acquisitions?
By definition, there's no such thing as a 'saber player.' If you are going to use statistical analysis to identify undervalued players, the league will adjust and a new type of player will be undervalued. The original Moneyball player -- the high-walk slugger -- is fully appreciated by this point. Just look at Adam Dunn's latest contract. The thought was that Oakland and Seattle's new-found focus on defense suggested that the second wave of Moneyball athletes. Call it the Franklin Gutierrez wave.
What's undervalued now? We're in the crucible, bounded by our own time, and we don't work for a team so we don't know what they know. Perhaps we won't be able to tell just by perusing the Mets' moves from the past two years, but perhaps we will get a sense of their tendencies.
Then we can decide if those tendencies seem forward-looking.
| Date | Move |
|---|---|
| Dec '10 | New York Mets claim RHP Pedro Beato off waivers from Bowie Baysox. |
| New York Mets claim 2B Brad Emaus off waivers from Las Vegas 51s. | |
| New York Mets signed free agent RHP D.J. Carrasco. | |
| New York Mets signed free agent C Ronny Paulino. | |
| New York Mets signed free agent 2B Russ Adams. | |
| New York Mets signed free agent RHP Boof Bonser. | |
| RHP John Maine elected free agency. | |
| LF Chris Carter elected free agency. | |
| RHP Sean Green elected free agency. | |
| New York Mets signed free agent RHP Yoseibis Solano. | |
| New York Mets signed free agent LHP Michael O'Connor. | |
| Jan '11 | New York Mets signed free agent OF Johanny Sierra. |
| New York Mets signed free agent C Dusty Ryan. | |
| New York Mets signed free agent LHP Tim Byrdak. | |
| New York Mets signed free agent C Raul Chavez. | |
| New York Mets signed free agent RHP Blaine Boyer. | |
| New York Mets signed free agent RHP Chris Young. | |
| New York Mets signed free agent RF Scott Hairston. | |
| New York Mets signed free agent LF Willie Harris. | |
| New York Mets outrighted RHP Ryota Igarashi to Buffalo Bisons. | |
| New York Mets signed free agent LHP Taylor Tankersley. | |
| New York Mets signed free agent RHP Taylor Buchholz. | |
| New York Mets signed free agent LHP Chris Capuano. | |
| New York Mets signed free agent Jesus Feliciano. | |
| New York Mets signed free agent IF Chris Shelton. | |
| Feb '11 | New York Mets signed free agent RHP Kent Tsujimoto. |
| New York Mets signed free agent RHP Jason Isringhausen. | |
| Mar '11 | New York Mets released LHP Oliver Perez. |
| New York Mets released 2B Luis Castillo. | |
| Apr '11 | New York Mets designated 2B Brad Emaus for assignment. |
| New York Mets recalled Justin Turner from Buffalo Bisons. | |
| New York Mets recalled Dillon Gee from Buffalo Bisons. | |
| New York Mets optioned LF Lucas Duda to Buffalo Bisons. | |
| New York Mets called up RHP Jason Isringhausen from Brooklyn Cyclones. | |
| July '11 | New York Mets traded RF Carlos Beltran to San Francisco Giants and San Jose Giants traded RHP Zack Wheeler to St. Lucie Mets. |
| New York Mets claim LF Mike Baxter off waivers from San Diego Padres. | |
| New York Mets signed free agent LHP Gustavo Chacin. | |
| Aug '11 | New York Mets called up Miguel Batista from Buffalo Bisons. |
| New York Mets signed OF Brandon Nimmo. | |
| Oct '11 | RHP Jason Isringhausen elected free agency. |
| LHP Chris Capuano elected free agency. | |
| LF Willie Harris elected free agency. | |
| RHP Chris Young elected free agency. | |
| SS Jose Reyes elected free agency. | |
| RHP Miguel Batista elected free agency. | |
| New York Mets released RHP Ryota Igarashi. | |
| Nov '11 | New York Mets signed free agent RF Adam Loewen |
| Dec '11 | New York Mets signed free agent CF Corey Wimberly. |
| New York Mets signed free agent C Rob Johnson. | |
| New York Mets signed free agent RHP Frank Francisco. | |
| New York Mets signed free agent RHP Jeff Stevens. | |
| New York Mets signed free agent LF Mike Baxter. | |
| New York Mets signed free agent LHP Chuck James. | |
| New York Mets signed free agent RHP Jon Rauch. | |
| New York Mets signed free agent LHP Garrett Olson. | |
| New York Mets signed free agent C Lucas May. | |
| New York Mets claim RHP Jeremy Hefner off waivers from Pittsburgh Pirates. | |
| LF Mike Baxter elected free agency. | |
| San Francisco Giants traded RHP Ramon Ramirez and CF Andres Torres to New York Mets for CF Angel Pagan. | |
| Jan '12 | New York Mets signed free agent 2B Matt Tuiasosopo. |
| New York Mets signed free agent SS Ronny Cedeno. | |
| New York Mets outrighted Daniel Herrera to Buffalo Bisons. | |
| Houston Astros claim Fernando Martinez off waivers from New York Mets. | |
| New York Mets signed free agent RF Scott Hairston. | |
| New York Mets signed free agent RHP Miguel Batista. | |
| New York Mets signed free agent SS Sean Kazmar. | |
| New York Mets signed free agent RHP Fernando Cabrera. | |
| New York Mets signed free agent SS Omar Quintanilla. |
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…letting Takahashi and Feliciano go were good moves.
by Steve OnceBrooklynNowMets on Feb 22, 2012 10:09 AM EST reply actions
I rather missed Takahashi
He was alright
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 22, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Above all, I would like an explanation...
…for the front office management of Jose Reyes this past year. Certainly seemed reasonable that they did not trade him last July, but only if combined with a strong effort to re-sign him (which seemed plausible despite budget constraints, with some $50M+ in annual salary coming off the books). It also would have been very reasonable to trade him. However, Reyes ended up signing an utterly reasonable and predictable contract (if not cheaper than expected), and the Mets clearly did not attempt to make a competitive bid. Unless the Wilpons sent mixed signals or changed their minds between July and December, it seems like borderline malpractice that the front office didn’t trade Reyes at the trade deadline, when he would have had very high value.
because the Mets were in a position where they are ridiculously cash-strapped
and by the trade deadline, it was pretty obvious that the only thing that might keep fans coming to the park in the second half was Jose Reyes chasing the batting title. Plus, they get draft pick compensation for letting him walk.
Not saying it was the right thing to do, just offering it as a possible explanation
I like sports again. Thank you Tom & Eli. The Wilpons can still go suck it.
He wanted that sixth year
The Mets didn’t want to give him that sixth year. I don’t know what else to tell you. The no-trade decision might have come from above, but he was hurt before the deadline and according to Alderson (and I’m not sure of the whole truth to this), the best offer they got for Reyes was from San Francisco, possibly Wheeler + more.
It’s possible that they traded Beltran to the Giants and decided to hold onto Reyes in the hope that they could resign him, and there was draft compensation even if they couldn’t. How hot was the market for him anyway? Were the Reds willing to part with Mesoraco as they were fading in the central? The Angels, Rangers, Tigers, D-Backs, Yankees and Phillies already had good shortstops. The Rays don’t trade prospects ever, the Brewers have no prospects. That essentially leaves Boston, and the package they potentially could’ve offered (hypothetically) might not have been as attractive to the Mets as the prospect of possibly resigning him.
In a perfect world, the Mets would’ve been in a position to match the Marlins offer, Reyes could’ve listened more on the shorter deal the Mets were rumored to give, or they could’ve gotten real value for him at the deadline. It’s not a perfect world.
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by piazza62 on Feb 22, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
sure, but these were predictable last July
I certainly agree with the two posts above, but the Mets knew they were cash-strapped and knew he’d certainly get a 6 (if not 7) year offer somewhere. He ended up taking what I think was a surprisingly modest contract — I thought for sure he’d get 7 years at a higher AAV — if they knew they weren’t going to be able to sign him unless he took an unrealistic hometown discount, they had a fiduciary duty to the fans to trade him. If the short-term box office draw of Reyes truly influenced their thinking, that’s inexcusable, and a truly “saber” front office wouldn’t stand for that, even with the prospect of getting draft picks. And Reyes certainly had the most trade value of any player on the block last July — yes, he had a poorly-timed injury, but he was hitting up a storm all season to that point and lots of teams needed a shortstop. I’m sure they could have gotten more than the good return they got on Beltran.
Reyes didn't have much marketability when he came off the DL.
A guy with a history of leg injuries, just coming back from another leg injury, and hitting poorly to boot? That’s not a hot commodity.
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by BobbyV_Incognito on Feb 22, 2012 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
No way.
Reyes was biggest prize on the pre-deadline trading block, even with the hamstring injury. And hitting poorly? He had a .927 OPS at the All-star break and was a leading MVP candidate. Yes, he didn’t hit as well once he came back from the injury, but he came back on July 19, so we’re talking about a very small sample from then until the July 31 deadline.
As piazza62 pointed out, there wasn't exactly a plethora of suitors to match up with though.
Also, you better believe a trade partner will try to leverage a chronic hamstring condition and a subsequent slump into a lower cost in terms of prospects.
by MetsFanXXIII on Feb 23, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
The Mets didn't know that they would be cash strapped in July
David Einhorn was still going to be a minority partner at that time.
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This might be the best explanation.
But I’m not sure this completely exonerates Alderson and Podesta, who had to know that the future budget was still very much up in the air.
Well, if they expected an influx of cash from Einhorn,
they had every reason to believe the money would be there.
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by BobbyV_Incognito on Feb 23, 2012 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
What the???
This is the first time I’ve seen the Mets offseason signings all in one place (sorry, it’s a bit difficult to get news way out here). The visions I had going through my head while reading this were ED-209 trying to walk down the stairs, mixed with Jack Horner smiling his Burt Reynolds’ smile while sitting at the table with Dirk Diggler.
In other words, this recruitment had better be inspired (and Rollergirl checked) or we’re gonna be a screaming robot on a landing of a Detroit skyscraper.
It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.
by MookieTheCat on Feb 22, 2012 2:32 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Cappy had two TJ surgeries
The success rate is much lower for those. Guys, especially LHers have forever been getting chances to prove themselves again after whatever.

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