2012 Mets Player Profile: Johan Santana
Signed as an amateur free agent in 1995, Johan Santana was selected by the Florida Marlins in the 199 Rule 5 draft and promptly traded to the Minnesota Twins. Like Pedro Beato last year, Santana stuck around with the Twins in 2000 despite awful results out of the bullpen because the team wanted to keep him. He then split time between the rotation and bullpen between his debut and 2003, but once he became a full-time starting pitcher, was one of the best in the game. Over the course of the 2004 through 2007 seasons, Santana racked up 983 strikeouts in 912.1 innings and posted a 2.89 ERA. With free agency looming as the 2008 season approached, the Twins traded Santana to the Mets, who promptly signed him to a long-term contract.
In his first three seasons with the Mets, Santana was brilliant, even though his peripherals were not nearly as good as they were in Minnesota. Over those three seasons, Santana’s 2.85 ERA was fourth among starting pitchers in the National League, trailing only Adam Wainwright, Chris Carpenter, and Tim Lincecum. While Johan’s 3.59 FIP and 3.91 xFIP over the same span suggest he should have fared worse, he did not.
The major problem with Santana of late was, of course, the health of his pitching arm. His 2009 season ended prematurely, but he only needed bone spurs removed from his left elbow at the time. Santana returned in 2010, but once again his season ended early. He eventually needed to undergo surgery to repair his torn anterior capsule, an operation for which there is no established timetable for return. There was some hope that Santana would pitch for the Mets in 2011, but it came as no surprise that he missed the entire season. The high point of his recovery last year was making a couple of minor-league rehabilitation starts.
There is no guarantee that Johan Santana will appear for the Mets this year. He has not encountered any setbacks in the very early phase of spring training, but it would be surprising to see Santana throw even 175 innings this year. If Santana pitches this year, there will rightfully be questions about his effectiveness. If Santana can return to the mound and pitch even nearly as well as he did in his first three years with the Mets, it would be a pleasant surprise. And if he defies expectations and matches his production from those years, it just might be the highlight of the Mets’ season. I’ll believe Santana is back if he makes his scheduled start on Opening Day, but I’ll hold out hope for his return until there’s news confirming otherwise.
| G | IP | K/9 | BB/9 | HR/9 | BABIP | LOB% | GB% | HR/FB | ERA | FIP | xFIP | WAR | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Career | 339 | 1908.2 | 8.9 | 2.5 | 1.0 | .275 | 77.6% | 37.5% | 9.1% | 3.10 | 3.40 | 3.46 | 46.2 |
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Great writeup
But you need to scale the chart better – an xFIP jump from 3 to 4 is quite dramatic.
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by Dandy Salderson on Feb 22, 2012 2:04 PM EST reply actions
Adding segments or altering
the scale doesn’t serve any purpose beyond the superficial. It is what it is and the “x” values represented by time are relevant & practical unless someone was trying to be anal about months vs. years. If you’re hoping to doctor the output reading of 3 to 4 as anything less than that, then you’ve gotta come up with some different input values to correlate to the xFIP.
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by Wright of passage on Feb 22, 2012 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
I have no idea what you are talking about
If the data range is between 2.5 and 4.2, the scaling should be equally distanced away from those bounds, and preferably not something like -97.5 to 104.2. What needs tone correlated to what?
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by Dandy Salderson on Feb 22, 2012 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
Correlation
Regression analysis, normal distribution, kurtosis. However, arbitrage, skewness and bell curves. In summation, tail ends, standard deviation and, of course, black swan events.
Your move, WOP.
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by Dandy Salderson on Feb 22, 2012 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
Taken for granted.
I miss him so much.
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Feb 22, 2012 2:25 PM EST reply actions
How can I know how good he was
If you don’t give me his W/L?
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by MookieTheCat on Feb 22, 2012 2:35 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
Really excited to see how this guys does in the next few weeks.
For me, Santana throwing again is Spring Training Story #1.
I'll be more than pleasantly surprised
if Santana returns on time and pitches nearly as well as he did for the last 3 years – I’ll be downright shocked.
But I’m rooting for it, Johan.
by MetsFan4Decades on Feb 22, 2012 2:44 PM EST reply actions
Jo-plan
If Johan is good for 75 – 150 innings this season, why not keep him off the mound until July? That way, if he pitches decently, he could attract the attention of a playoff-bound team that might be persuaded into taking him and a piece of his giant salary.
If you were a GM looking for pitching
And looked at Johan to see that he was shelved till July, wouldnt you be wondering why? We probably wont be able to move him till next year. And that if he pitches like Johan of old and stays healthy most of the year.
by SFloridaMetsFan on Feb 22, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
Not expecting anything good
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 22, 2012 3:32 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I swear, every post on Santana has had the EXACT same comments on them
I just want the season to start, I think I’m going insane.
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by piazza62 on Feb 22, 2012 4:03 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
At the risk of sounding like an idiot
My hopes and, to some extent, my expectations are very high for Santana this season. It was only three years ago when the man looked like a lock for the Hall of Fame. I think it’s a little unfair in today’s advanced medical age to simply write him off or take the pessimistic route and declare him done like we normally would. Johan Santana is a brilliant pitcher and a man who isn’t going to go down quietly. We all forget him because it’s been so long, but with Jose gone, he’s probably my favorite non-Robert Allen on the team. I’m looking for 150-175 innings with an ERA in the low 3s.
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The pessimistic route is not because of Johan.
Its the other pitchers that have had the same surgery done and failed….Johan is an amazing warrior, agreed there, but the track record isnt in his favor.
by SFloridaMetsFan on Feb 22, 2012 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
There Was Chris Carpenter
If he is good enough to attract interest, however, he should be traded.
by WT Economist on Feb 22, 2012 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
totally off topic but
I just randomly stopped by MetsBlog, where some commenter suggested trading (TRAIDING, sorry) DWright to the Angels for Trout and Trumbo. It’s weird to know enough about baseball to know who Trout is — after all, a lot of casual fans don’t follow closely enough to know about even top prospects like Trout — but to NOT know that even a lobotomized Jerry DiPoto would never, ever, ever even vaguely consider that trade, even if only to laugh at it. I love how this person thought that they’d have to add Trumbo to the deal to get 1/2 year of Dubs. THAT IS 11 YEARS OF TEAM CONTROL of one decent player and one potential superstar. WTF are people thinking. And then they get all mad about the FO not “doing anything” b/c they clearly don’t understand how doing something works…
by BurleighGrimes on Feb 22, 2012 10:27 PM EST reply actions
/end of off topic rant
I hope to see Johan pitch this year.
by BurleighGrimes on Feb 22, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
speaking of totally off topic and the Angels
Angels just signed Jason Isringhausen. o_O
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by Terry_is_God on Feb 22, 2012 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
Wow.
I wonder how much lead paint you have to ingest to be that dumb.
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by BobbyV_Incognito on Feb 22, 2012 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
That trade makes no sense from either side
The Angels aren’t giving up a future star CF for one year of Wright, and the Mets have no use for Mike Jacobs, Jr when we already have a roster full of 1Bs.
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by Steve Schreiber on Feb 23, 2012 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
i am excited to see what he brings but every start johan has for 2 months
im just gonna be going omgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomg until i see consistency
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