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Being Jay Horwitz Applesauce: A new voice in the radio booth, Now if we could just get one in the owner's box

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So the Mets are in the news! Did they sign another bench bat or some starting pitching depth? No. Are the new walls finished? Uh, no. Did they pull the credential of a writer because he wrote something they didn't like? Of course! Mets PR to the rescue! Well at least no one in the national media going to pay too much attention to this, I mean it's just some blogger, right?

Okay, I am going to editorialize for a second here. I know Howard isn't necessarily the most popular person around AA, and I personally will never forgive him for sponsoring Oliver Perez's baseball-reference page. Also, in the interest of full disclosure I have had him on my podcast to talk about the Mets finances and found his arguments both reasonable and compelling. I don't have an encyclopedic knowledge of his work or anything, but I have never seen anything he wrote about the Mets that was more obnoxious than the stuff that regularly comes out of the pens of the NYC media.

This is just a terrible precedent to set. Essentially you have to write what the Mets want you to write in exchange for access unless you have the backing of the trade union. Adam Rubin basically kills the Mets on twitter all the time, but his credential will never be at risk, because the Mets need ESPN. And If this can happen to Howard Megdal, I wonder if Eno will get the same flack for breaking the CRG story, which was nothing more than good boots on the ground reporting. Regardless of whether the Mets *can* do this (clearly they can), or whether you think access is important, this was another PR blunder for an organization that can ill-afford one. The Mets have made a point to embrace the internet community in the past year with Social Media Days and blogger calls, but apparently that access comes with a price.

Speaking of Eno, he has an excellent piece on the kerfuffle over at NotGraphs.

Star-divide

Onto better news! Okay, not really. Over at Baseball Prospectus, Jay Jaffe takes a look at the Mets precipitous payroll drop in 2012 (a chunk of it is subscription only, but you can get the idea). There is some hope in the long term, as teams with big payroll drops tend to bounce back strong a couple seasons down the road. In the short term? Well, Binghamton should be pretty good this year!

Now, actual good news! The Mets are World Series Champions! Okay, not really.

WFAN listeners will hear a new voice in the booth in 2012 as Josh Lewin replaces the lamented and lamentable Wayne Hagin as Howie Rose's broadcast partner. Lewin was previously with the Rangers TV team and also does San Diego Charges games. I haven't heard enough of him to comment on his abilities, but he seemed well liked among Rangers fans. It's only a one year deal, but that is likely due to WFAN's broadcast agreement with the Mets expiring at the end of the season.

Toby Hyde keeps on truckin' through his Mets Top 41 prospect list, at #29 is slick fielding Wilfredo Tovar, and at #28 is oft-injured masher Zach Lutz.

Meanwhile, Ted Berg pens pieces about Taco Bell and Flavor Flav. Same as it ever was.

Hey, I guess John Maine was a habitual liar. Just not that John Maine. But clearly, all the Mets finances are on the up and up, you guys.

Around MLB

Cuban outfielder and awesome internet video maker Yoenis Cespedes is apparently not unblocked by OFAC, according to his agent, even though he can still negotiate with MLB teams. I had heard from Kevin Goldstein that he was cleared, since MLB now does their own OFAC clearances in-house, but maybe that still has to be rubber stamped by the bureaucracy. Anyways, expect him to sign with a team before Spring Training. The Cubs are probably the current favorite. But as we have learned, never count out the mystery team.

Look, we are going to spend the next couple months pouring over Spring Training boxscores and debating whether Adam Loewen or Mike Baxter should be our fifth outfielder/LH pinch-hitter. This will be excruciating, but at least our lefty bench bat won't be Raul Ibanez.

There was a TRAID yesterday as the Orioles shipped Jeremy Guthrie to the Rockies for Jason Hammel and former Mets farmhand Matt Lindstrom. This is kind of a nothing trade, Guthrie is probably a hair better than Hammel, but Lindstrom is a decent power arm, and the Orioles gain a couple seasons of team control. It's not exciting, but it is a better move than eliminating your professional scouting department. It's probably also a better move than signing Manny Ramirez. From the Rockies end of it, Grant Brisbee looks at how the Rox are reshaping their pitching staff for Coors Field. Again.

Let's check in with Pedro Martinez, who seems to be enjoying retirement all right. That said, I bet he could still post a better FIP than Dillon Gee this year.

Rob Neyer writes about Jason Varitek who is currently unemployed. Tek could be very useful on a major lague bench, but I think only as a coach, not as a catcher.

And Now, Your Mets Highlight of the Day to Tide You Over Until Spring Training: Dillon Gee flashes the leather

I was probably unecessarily harsh to Dillon Gee. He's a prefectly cromulent fifth starter type.

And Your Non-Baseball Link of the Day: DFW on Roger Federer

Outside of baseball, tennis is quite possibly my favorite sport. I was actually quite good at it once upon a time, too. That said, I can't even imagine being as good at tennis as Roger Federer, nor can I imagine writing a piece as good as this David Foster Wallace profile.

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he's probably amazing at SOMETHING

I’m just not sure what

Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?

by KeithsMoustache on Feb 7, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

being a fringe MLB starter?

2012 New York Mets, World Series Champions!

by astromets on Feb 7, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

i suppose excelling at mediocrity is still excelling

Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?

by KeithsMoustache on Feb 7, 2012 11:33 PM EST up reply actions  

oh yeah, he's certainly not the worst 5th starter we've ever had by a longshot

Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?

by KeithsMoustache on Feb 8, 2012 2:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I see your Pelf and raise a Brandon Knight

In lobby for: Jaime Cevallos, Zack Lutz, orange unis and Rickroll as the 7th inning song.
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by Michkin on Feb 8, 2012 6:14 AM EST up reply actions  

BRIAN FUCKING LAWRENCE

Howie said something along the lines of “he has a fastball in the low 80s and usually struggles with controlling it.” He was in the major leagues, pitching for a team that was fighting for a playoff spot.

The Omar Minaya Era, ladies and gentlemen!

Now, kids, being eaten by a crocodile is just like going to sleep; in giant blender.

by meigs1414 on Feb 8, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Here, take your pick of scrubs:

http://www.amazinavenue.com/2011/1/3/1910463/we-let-these-guys-start-games-a-walk-down-memory-lane

Geremi Gonzalez (RIP), Jose Lima (RIP), Alay Soler, Dave Williams, Brian Lawrence, Jason Vargas (He got better, though), Claudio Vargas, Brandon Knight…Raul Valdes, Fernando Nieve, Tony Armas, Brian Socks, and Chan Ho Park all made basically one start only.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 8, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah yes

I remember those terrible starts. Now I must repress those memories again.

Now, kids, being eaten by a crocodile is just like going to sleep; in giant blender.

by meigs1414 on Feb 9, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

well

I think there’s a pretty big difference writing a book that’s anti-Wilpon and blogging something that’s anti-Mets. Not that it makes it any less petty, but it does seemingly make it personal.

I wonder if anyone actually signs Manny? He’d basically be signing up for the health insurance..and maybe he’d play some games late in the year.

-Ceetar, the Optimistic Mets Fan

by Ceetar on Feb 7, 2012 9:24 AM EST reply actions  

The Mets need ESPN??

Really? I can get anything I want from a number of other outlets in relation to the Mets. But ESPN is the end all, be all? Wow. Must have missed that memo.

by barry_hal_oliver_24 on Feb 7, 2012 9:26 AM EST reply actions  

It's not the end all and be all

But it is an example of the national media that is strongly backed by financial and trade interests. Not to mention that they pay a pretty penny for broadcast rights. The Mets could lose something by pissing them off. (not to mention the PR firestorm for not credentialing them would be 1000 times worse)They lose nothing by pissing off The Journal News.

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by Jeffrey Paternostro on Feb 7, 2012 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Are we talking about the same ESPN?

The same ESPN where the Mets are currently scheduled for zero games on that net work?

Sorry Jeff. It’s not you. I understand what you’re getting at. I just can not stand ESPN and their policies when it comes to certain teams and sports. But if the Mets decided to pull any of ESPN credentials I would not shed one tear.

by barry_hal_oliver_24 on Feb 7, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

You may say that now,

but how long do you think ESPN would hold that against them? And does anything believe that Selig would allow an owner to get into a pissing match with MLB’s biggest broadcast partner?

"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."

by BobbyV_Incognito on Feb 7, 2012 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

ESPN holds grudges?

Gary Bettman laughs in incredulity.

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by Ogre39666 on Feb 7, 2012 11:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea seriously?

ESPN is the Yankee’s propaganda house, the Mets do NOT need ESPN I wish they would severe all ties with them.

ESPN, Mike Francesa, NY Post, NY Daily News, Fox Sports = Propaganda
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by BlueChill on Feb 7, 2012 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

This.

A year without the Mets appearing on ESPN is what’s colloquially referred to as ‘a good year’. More Gary, Keith and Ronnie!

by Curtis3331 on Feb 10, 2012 12:34 AM EST up reply actions  

While it may not be coming from him

Anyone else thing that Jay Horwitz is the worst PR man in the history of the universe?

Am I doing this right?

by brooklynberger on Feb 7, 2012 9:45 AM EST reply actions  

(raises hand)

Also, Dave Howard is the worst at whatever the hell he does.

I think both should be replaced……..Horwitz with a former player, and Howard with The Donald.

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on Feb 7, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

This thing with Megdal is ridiculous.

It’s as tho the Wilpons live in another century. Did they really think banishing one writer would somehow fix their overall image?

(Question: why is Howard not a favorite around AA? I haven’t ever read any of his stuff, but i’ve heard him speak convincingly on Wilpon finances, so I’m curious…)

by BurleighGrimes on Feb 7, 2012 10:12 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Wait until they focus on Simon

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on Feb 7, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

A number of people were annoyed by his GM campaign and book promotion

Before that, though, he used to write little poems for (every?) game recap. I quite miss the poems.

by SuperT on Feb 7, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Dillon Gee

Let’s just say I look forward to the day when Dillon Gee doesn’t get the ball every fifth day for the Mets. He’s not the worst 5th starter in the league, but if that isn’t damning with faint praise then I don’t know what is.

by BurleighGrimes on Feb 7, 2012 10:14 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Actually,

I wouldn’t mind Gee as 5th starter for now if our 1-4 were actually more in line with the rest of the league – or better yet, a cut above.

by MetsFan4Decades on Feb 7, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I guess you're right...

It’s actually Pelfrey and Santana’s shoulder I want traded in for better parts.

by BurleighGrimes on Feb 7, 2012 12:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I take back the original rec

and bestow it upon thee

2012 New York Mets, World Series Champions!

by astromets on Feb 7, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

fonzie

makes me smile every time

I hate Philadelphia so much.

by the caveman on Feb 7, 2012 3:33 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

The P&C went bankrupt. Again.

Now all we have is Price Chopper.

And right about now I’d love me some Penny Curtiss.

by Curtis3331 on Feb 10, 2012 12:36 AM EST up reply actions  

The Mets PR

by their actions, just gave Howard and his book more publicity than it otherwise probably would have received.

So well done, guys

by MetsFan4Decades on Feb 7, 2012 11:22 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

BTW

The Mets Highlight of the Day to Tide You Over Until Spring Training has quickly become one of my favorite things to look for daily on here.

by MetsFan4Decades on Feb 7, 2012 11:25 AM EST reply actions  

Same.

I don’t remember Gee making that play last year, but it was a beauty. That and today’s sunshine help me feel just a bit closer to opening day…

by BurleighGrimes on Feb 7, 2012 12:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Being a bit bored I searched Megdal on Twitter to see how far the bad press had gotten...

…and unsurprisingly found that Pomes is the only one defending the Wilpon’s on this one. The Wilpons sure know how to get the court of public opinion on their side, haha.

by BurleighGrimes on Feb 7, 2012 12:05 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Please remove the apostrophe

From “Wilpons.” iPhone typing error.

by BurleighGrimes on Feb 7, 2012 12:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Um

damnyouautocorrect-dot-com

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on Feb 7, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Hillariously funny website

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 7, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks for mentioning that site here!

Tears are rolling down my cheeks and my throat hurts from laughing! This is without doubt the funniest site on the web!

Who programmed Apples autocorrect dictionary? He/she is one twisted MoFo.

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by ScottfromPeekskill on Feb 7, 2012 7:06 PM EST up reply actions  

David Foster Wallace

Love the mention. He is missed greatly.

by JJJ on Feb 7, 2012 1:47 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

I'm crazy excited about the Lewin hire,

although if I’m not mistaken, he still works for FOX so he might not be around on the weekends. I thought he did a great job the times I heard & feel he’d be a major upgrade, especially because Howie Rose has been lousy IMO the past couple of years. On the Megdal thing, it sucks that the Mets are this petty & will hinder his ability to do his job. And they’ve created another needless firestorm to boot so it makes them look even worse than they already do. Have any of the “real” reporters stuck up for Megdal yet?

I miss Pedro. I’m gonna head over to Fangraphs & look at his 1999 & 2000 seasons again.

It’s not exciting, but it is a better move than eliminating your professional scouting department.

Disagree. From Dan Duquette:

"As you get more video and statistical analysis on a player, the longer they’re in professional baseball, it’s not as vital to have them seen by eyes, professional eyes," Duquette said. "Players establish a record of their work.

He’s 100% right. As long as they rely on useful metrics, they will be fine in evaluating professional players. Would you really need a scout to tell you Player A is awesomesauce while Player B is crap? Also, as the sample size grows, their performance becomes more reliable & you’ll have a clearer idea as to how the player will perform. It’s a better use of time and manpower to have your best scouts evaluating high school, college & minor league players.

And off topic, the trailer for The Amazing Spider-Man is out & I like it. Here’s the trailer and the Lizard is the main villain, which I think is a great pick. What do you guys think about it?

And if not, I turn around & say forget it.

by Brian. on Feb 7, 2012 3:14 PM EST reply actions  

I am boycotting that movie

Some British guy is not Peter Parker. Toby McGwire is the quintessential Peter Parker.

I’m totally down with Emma Stone, though.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 7, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Garfield is from LA (I also think he happens to be the better actor).

And I guess you hate Christian Bale as Bruse Wayne? He’s Welch.

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by Ogre39666 on Feb 7, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I should say he was born in LA.

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by Ogre39666 on Feb 7, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

*Bruce

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by Ogre39666 on Feb 7, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I love the Welch

Who doesn’t love the Welch?

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 7, 2012 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you boycotting DKR and the new Superman as well?

Wolverine was Australian, too.

"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."

by BobbyV_Incognito on Feb 7, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions  

What is DKR?

I’ve never seen a single Superman movie, so I have no pressing need to see one now.

And, Hugh Jackman being Australian is cool- it’s a Commonwealth country like Canada, and Wolverine.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 7, 2012 11:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

The Dark Knight Rises.

"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."

by BobbyV_Incognito on Feb 7, 2012 11:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah

I only saw those Batman movie in that series. Batman Forever, that movie doesn’t count.

That said, I know nothing of Batman, nor do I care much about Batman. So, if they crapped all over the previous comics or movies, I wouldn’t know or care.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 7, 2012 11:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

It sure did

X-Men 3 was also…less than good in following basic comic connections/continuity. Director artistic license can GTFO.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 7, 2012 11:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

So how does this connect with Amazing Spider-Man?

It doesn’t shit over anything. It just offers a take from a different creative team.

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by Ogre39666 on Feb 8, 2012 12:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Andrew Garfield isn't Spider-Man

Toby McGuire is the quintessential Peter Parker.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 8, 2012 12:07 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

What makes McGuire the "quintessential Peter Parker"?

To me he was annoying and from everything I can remember, he neither cared for the character nor its history.

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by Ogre39666 on Feb 8, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

The thing I hate

about the McGuire Spider Man movies(really most recent comic book movies) is that in every final battle, the mask comes off. How hard is it for the directors to make the final battle as intense as they want & have the hero keep their mask on? We didn’t suddenly forget at the end of the movie that Spider Man is Peter Parker.

And if not, I turn around & say forget it.

by Brian. on Feb 8, 2012 12:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I really love that scene were the train riders lift Spider-Man above their heads

but yeah I totally get what you mean.

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by Ogre39666 on Feb 8, 2012 12:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Because, if Peter Parker was a person, that's what he'd look like

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 8, 2012 1:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

A ~thirty-year-old player a ~fifteen-year-old is nothing new

Jonah Hill in Superbad, Tara Reid in American Pie, Jareb Dauplaise in RJ Berger, Amber Lancaster in RJ Berger, half the cast of Glee…

If they look convincing, they work. McGwire looked like what Peter Parker would look like as a person, and is the superior Spider-Man.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 8, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think McGwire looked very convincing is what I'm getting at.

Amazing Spider-Man is obviously going for a different feel and a different look then Spider-Man 1-3. It looks darker and based in hyper-realism. I’ve heard their portrayal of Peter Parker described as a “punk-rocker-ish” in that he’s a loner but a genius. That may not be everyone’s cup of tea but I for one think simply giving us cookie-cutter super hero movies is the worst thing Hollywood could do with the genre.

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by Ogre39666 on Feb 8, 2012 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it would be a much better film then the McGuire Spider-Man franchise.

I just hope they don’t go too Batman Begins-ish.

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by Ogre39666 on Feb 7, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

*will be

*McGwire

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by Ogre39666 on Feb 7, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

looks great

but still dont understand about why they needed a reboot. No J. Jonah Jamison

Am I doing this right?

by brooklynberger on Feb 7, 2012 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

The previous movies had a particular, almost cartoony feel to them which wouldn't fit with the subject matter of the new film.

That and a new lead in the same run would be confusing to a lot of people probably.

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by Ogre39666 on Feb 7, 2012 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Same reason Fox is making more X-Men movies:

Columbia loses the film rights if they stop making movies.

"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."

by BobbyV_Incognito on Feb 7, 2012 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I was annoyed, then eventually neutral about this project

But after seeing that trailer, I think it will be poor.

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by Terry_is_God on Feb 7, 2012 10:09 PM EST up reply actions  

That trailer made you feel worse about it?

Tough crowd.

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by Ogre39666 on Feb 7, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

everything about the movie looks tight

except the actors. Not a fan of any of those guys

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by astromets on Feb 8, 2012 12:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Megdal

I guess I’m in the minority, I don’t see why the Mets are wrong in revoking his credentials. It’s a privilege to get them when you’re not a part of the BBWA and so if they do not like what he writes while he covers them, why do they need to give him access?

If everybody who wanted to write about the Mets got credentials, they’d have to build a new press box no?

I’m not blaming Megdal for what he wrote, he was entitled but at the end of the day the Mets are the ones who gave him the credentials so they are the ones who can take them away no?

by jessepmets on Feb 7, 2012 7:24 PM EST reply actions  

It's not a good sign for PR reasons, and the timing was awful

If I’m the Mets, the last thing I want to do is give more fuel to the already fiercely-burning media fire. I didn’t even think writers of his ilk were ever credentialed if they aren’t BBWAA members, I know a lot of other franchises aren’t as lenient, and you can say Megdal started to make it personal.

Personally, I don’t like the move from a public standpoint and it shows how backwards the Wilpons are as “baseball people”. Can’t say I object to it more than baiting fans along in order to sell your books, but that’s for another day.

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by piazza62 on Feb 7, 2012 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

The issue seems to be, besides just being kind of petty,

the team is basically controlling what is being written about them by dangling credentials over writers’ heads. If writers feel like they’re going to lose access, they’re going to be less likely to break stories that are not so flattering to the organization. Megdal gathered up a ton of facts, did his research and came up with a product that puts the team in an awful light (but by most accounts is basically completely true…nobody’s refuted anything he’s said. The organization just attacked him in response).

I understand that credentials are a privilege but at the same time, should Howard lose his access just for doing his job and doing it pretty well? It doesn’t seem right and it makes the team look so thin-skinned in the process.

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by Steve Schreiber on Feb 7, 2012 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

He lost access

That he was given as a gesture, not based on his professional experience or standing in the media.

He’s not a professional sports writer. He’s not a member of the Baseball Writers of America either and he is not entitled to anything that the Mets don’t want to give him access to.

Again,what does he do for the Mets. The Mets don’t need to give credentials to a guy who is there for self promotion… what is in it for them?

by jessepmets on Feb 7, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Um, why isn't he a professional sports writer?

Because he writes on a blog and not in a newspaper?

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by Syler on Feb 7, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

In the eyes of the media itself, yeah

Regardless of an individual’s body of work and it’s quality. Amazin Avenue is an “unofficial” blog. MetsBlog, or ESPN, they’re “official”.

Just like a photographer who works for a paper gets NYPD press credentials, while the unaffiliated photojournalist who runs a homemade website doesn’t. Just like someone who gets a degree but is actually dumb is seen as more qualified than someone without a degree who is extremely knowledgeable in the subject.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 7, 2012 11:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I get the media doesn't

But it seems like this jessep guy is insinuating that said stereotype is factual.

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by Syler on Feb 7, 2012 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, they're the ones who determine "officiality"

I write a few FanPosts a year; I’m not a professional sportswriter. I have a blog; I’m not a journalist. I’m into photography; I’m not a professional photographer.

Howard Medal has a book, and works with official journalistic outlets so he’s more ‘professional’. His semi-independent status kinda makes him fall through the cracks, in terms of ‘professional’.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 7, 2012 11:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

You ain't paid.

You ain’t professional.

by Joshuah on Feb 8, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Are they really controlling anything?

There are tons and tons of BBWAA members that can say whatever they wish about the organization. He went above and beyond just that, and the Mets were understandably ticked about it.

Do you really believe that Horowitz called, said “they don’t like your journalism”, and hung up? All snark aside, I won’t believe that any professional is such a thundering moron, nor will I believe that either side in this matter is giving us the full story. This is a competition for our business between Megdal and the Mets, and neither party is on our side.

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by piazza62 on Feb 7, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

So, we should expect other BBWAA members to step up and write the same stories?

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by BobbyV_Incognito on Feb 7, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure, why not

Isn’t that basically what’s going on? A bunch of seemingly identical sportswriters taking different roads to arrive at the same destination.

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by piazza62 on Feb 7, 2012 11:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Why would another writer do what Megdal did

after seeing what the Mets did to him? They can’t take everyone’s credentials away, but there’s other ways they can retaliate.

"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."

by BobbyV_Incognito on Feb 7, 2012 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

A BBWAA member who gets "targeted" has the BBWAA to have his back

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 7, 2012 11:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I know they would,

and BBWAA members have to get credentials. But there’s plenty of ways for them to send a message to a BBWAA member who writes something they don’t like. Just because they can’t get rid of someone doesn’t mean they’ll leave them alone.

"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."

by BobbyV_Incognito on Feb 8, 2012 12:39 AM EST up reply actions  

If their journalistic integrity is at stake, why not?

BBWAA members are required to be clubhouse credentialed. They can do what they want, and so can Megdal. They took away his clubhouse credentials, which makes his job slightly less convenient. No big deal, and what else do they have left to take away from him? He’s got nothing to lose.

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by piazza62 on Feb 7, 2012 11:27 PM EST up reply actions  

The only ones I know of who actually did the work to get to that destination were Megdal and Eno.

They others, the MSM’ers, all piggy-backed on their stories.

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by Ogre39666 on Feb 7, 2012 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

For the flak I/we give him

Rubin does do his fair amount of research on things.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 7, 2012 11:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

My issue is

I guess my issue is, if Megdal had no problem with them giving him credentials as an honor, then he shouldn’t be angry when they take them away.

They do not HAVE to give him credentials right? He used his credentials and his “knowledge” of the team to defame the team and use their current situation to make a buck. Why should they want him around?

What’s in it for the Mets by having him there is the better question? To have him around the team to write another e-book about how bad things are and how bad he thinks they will get (and make accusations in it that he cannot fully back up).

Plus, piazza62 you make a valid point about the timing, but when is a good time? When could the Mets revoke his credentials?

by jessepmets on Feb 7, 2012 7:59 PM EST reply actions  

He didn't print anything that was malicious or outright false (at least to my knowledge).

But I think I agreed with your overall point.

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by Ogre39666 on Feb 7, 2012 8:12 PM EST up reply actions  

The whole thing is just a battle between haves and have-nots and it's not something I want to delve to deeply into

It wouldn’t shock me if the Mets would rather him have stories to manufacture about the Mets being “petty”, which is true, but probably preferable to having him on the inside. They really don’t have anything to gain from letting him stick around, and they could make the gamble that letting him stay could work out worse than revoking him and making headlines that way.

It’s just something that makes me extremely uncomfortable. This has so little to do with baseball yet it’s all the rage in Mets land. I just want it to go away and for the season to start.

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by piazza62 on Feb 7, 2012 8:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think it's that complicated

Salderson reminded me yesterday that Wilpon is still the COO, which is really all we need to know here. They’re keeping him out of the spotlight nowadays, but Jeff = stupid, always.

by SuperT on Feb 7, 2012 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not really defamation if it's true.

He used his access to gather facts, put them in a book the team was unhappy about, but has not refuted on a factual basis. This makes them look petty and vindictive for punishing a journalist for doing his job.

"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."

by BobbyV_Incognito on Feb 7, 2012 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Megdale had a pretty good idea this would happen actually (or at least he should have).

We know he has a flair for publicity.

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by Ogre39666 on Feb 7, 2012 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Rubin v. Megdal

The comparison by the way of Rubin v. Megdal is fair in one sense

Rubin was accused of wanting to be the GM by the current GM because he knew how embarrassing it would be for a writer to be viewed as having an agenda and lobbying for the GM job.

Megdal just embarrasses himself by lobbying for the job and proving to have an agenda. http://megdalforgm.com/

Still, I see nothing the Mets get from giving Megdal credentials

by jessepmets on Feb 7, 2012 10:24 PM EST reply actions  

Difference being

Megdal was not serious in lobbying for GM, anyone that thinks otherwise…

There is the possibility that Rubin had asked for a position or inquired about how to go about getting a position.

One is real, one involves Adam Rubin so we can’t verify how much truth is involved there.

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by ScottfromPeekskill on Feb 7, 2012 10:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Less of the #LOLMets narrative

This, in and of itself in a vacuum, isn’t all that much, for reasons you cover. It exacerbates the general ill-will regarding the team executives, though. Avoiding more of that might be worth granting him the token papers.

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