ESPN Top 100 Prospects Includes Harvey, Wheeler; Not Familia
Over at ESPN.com Keith Law has put together his list of baseball's Top 100 prospects. It's behind their pay wall so for those not inclined to shell out for ESPN Insider access, two Mets made the list: the dynamic duo of Zack Wheeler at no. 27 and Matt Harvey at no. 38.
Here's a snippet of what Law had to say about the 21-yr old Wheeler:
"He will touch 97 mph and sit at least 91-94 with an above-average curveball that has shown it can miss bats. He has a fringy changeup that’s a little too firm, giving up a .283/.375/.452 line to left-handed hitters as a result (although that improved after the trade in a small sample). His control is still below-average, and he’ll have to show durability to match his frame, as he retired more than 18 batters just twice all year."
And Harvey:
"He will sit 91-97 mph as a starter with good downhill plane, and his changeup is a weapon for him against both left- and right-handed hitters. His curve and slider tend to run together, and he’d probably be better off just picking one or the other and using it exclusively to avoid throwing in-between pitches that will get hammered at higher levels"
Good stuff, but nothing we haven't heard in any previous top prospect list. More interesting was his evaluation of fellow electric righty Jeurys Familia, who he included in his ten prospects that "just missed":
"If I thought there was any chance he could start, he would have made the list, but he’s headed for the bullpen with a plus fastball and not enough command or secondary stuff to remain in the rotation."
Pretty surprising that he seems to feel that there's literally no chance of a major league career as a starter for Familia. The prevailing sentiment has indeed been pessimistic on the subject but most give him at least a slim shot. And I'm in that group as I think I'd need to see him really falter at one of these higher levels before I completely relegate him to relief.
There have been too many starters that have either survived or even thrived while featuring a mostly two-pitch repertoire to make me think otherwise. Look at a guy like Alexi Ogando who basically lives on his fastball and sharp slider alone, mixing in his sub-par change-up under 5% of the time. Now he admittedly has the luxury of leaning on an electric fastball, but hey it's not like Familia doesn't.
What do you think?
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Familia might not be able to hack it as a starter
But its not like he’s as obvious as a Bobby Parnell who couldn’t hack it as a starter in Double A even.
He was very good in AA last year
Had a 3.40 ERA and a 3.96 FIP, using his electric fastball and developing slider and change. He was also the youngest player on the B-Mets, so why not? I like the Alexi Ogando comp and that seems like a realistic outcome.
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Yeah, who knows if he sticks in the rotation in the long run but
it’s pretty ridiculous to say that he’s got absolutely zero shot. He was pretty great at Binghamton in his first go-round and he seems to have shown a lot of development with his command in the last year alone. Maybe it’s a low chance that he sticks in a rotation but I don’t think you should ever say flat out 0%.
But hey…it’s his reputation on the line, not mine.
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the money so thanks for the sneak peek.
I thinks it’s too early to call on Famillia as a starter. At least give him a long look and every opportunity before writing him off in that role.
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by Evan_S on Feb 9, 2012 11:03 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I don't think Familia is consigned to the bullpen
It’s silly to say he has no chance before he proves he can’t.
Also, I given how similar Harvey and Wheeler are: (A) I contest that Wheeler is the overall better prospect and (B) I contest that there are ten other prospects who slide in between the two, given their very identical upsides and Minor League stats thus far.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 9, 2012 6:10 PM EST reply actions
Havery is 22
Not excessive for a prospect.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 10, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think it's intentional,
but I think the relegating Familia to the bullpen thing is racially tinged. Same thing happened to Mejia. Neftali Feliz was inexplicably put in the ’pen. I think Latino, or at least darker Latino, hard-throwing pitchers are more likely to be seen as bullpen guys. How many white hard-throwing righties are subject to this?
I'm pretty sure most people saw him as a future top of the rotation starter though
until he made his debut and threw those 24 dominant innings out of the pen in late 2007.
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by Steve Schreiber on Feb 9, 2012 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah,
I thought of Joba as I typed this, but you put it well. Joba was made a reliever not because they felt he couldn’t handle starting but because everyone went crazy thinking he’d be the next Mariano.
Completely fair
this is just something that I feel. I can’t say it’s something empirically substantiated or that I’ve even given it all that much thought. I considered not even posting it for that reason.
Pedro too.
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Pedro was viewed as a reliever by the Dodgers because he was smallish and frail
They didn’t think he could hold up as a starter, they obviously were wrong.
by graves9 on Feb 10, 2012 3:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
So Familia has not enough command for a starter
but Betances, who is older and put up awful BB% in AAA has enough command for be #88 on his list? Fucking logic!
by secret defense on Feb 9, 2012 11:00 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
yeah, he will EVENTUALLY have the WINZ and the RINGZ
so there is no reason not to think more highly of him right now.
by BurleighGrimes on Feb 10, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well
I’d probably have to vote no, since I only think he has about a 40% chance of sticking as a starter. That’s not really all that low for a pitching prospect, though. Especially a non-elite one. I think stamina is going to be the issue more than control/command, though. Saying he has no chance is kind of ridiculous.
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