Open Thread - Game 86: Mets vs Pirates (07/08/2005) on FSNY
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Nice time to start a sweep
by peeder on Jul 8, 2005 6:57 PM EDT 0 recs
And a good way to start
by peeder on
Jul 8, 2005 7:07 PM EDT
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Screw up by the umpires
by erik from the bx on Jul 8, 2005 7:09 PM EDT 0 recs
Reyes got called out at second
by erik from the bx on
Jul 8, 2005 7:17 PM EDT
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Pirates baseball
by erik from the bx on Jul 8, 2005 7:15 PM EDT 0 recs
Anyone get the impression that
He plays an exciting brand of baseball, with steals and decent defense and even an inside-the-park homerun. He's hitting consistently over .300...and while some of that is pinch hitting it's getting a bit too regular to dismiss it as situational or even platooning. His lefty bat is useful, especially with Willieball...
Simpler question...would anyone prefer to see KazMat getting starts instead of Marlon?
by peeder on Jul 8, 2005 7:34 PM EDT 0 recs
is his d good enough
by DoctorK16 on
Jul 8, 2005 7:49 PM EDT
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in the short term
by DoctorK16 on
Jul 8, 2005 7:52 PM EDT
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Of course not
by erik from the bx on Jul 8, 2005 7:44 PM EDT 0 recs
You were good
by peeder on Jul 8, 2005 7:57 PM EDT 0 recs
it zambrano
by DoctorK16 on
Jul 8, 2005 8:01 PM EDT
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Didn't Shea Rey
by peeder on
Jul 8, 2005 8:13 PM EDT
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i don' think it was that
by DoctorK16 on
Jul 8, 2005 8:22 PM EDT
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If beltran swings at the first pitch again
by erik from the bx on Jul 8, 2005 7:58 PM EDT 0 recs
The 8 hole
I see two common scenarios: what we just saw, 1 out or 2 out and the 8 hitter comes up and unless they homer they are unlikely to score or drive in many runs (the high-OBP players hitting earlier in the order, one presumes) or they come up with 0 out and the pitcher bunts them to second hoping the leadoff guy (not usually an RBI-type hitter) can drive them home.
So that makes me think the 8 hole is perfectly suited for one of the Dave Kingman types, who either hits homers or strikes out. Because if there are 1 or 2 outs you want this guy to hit a homer and clear the bases because otherwise his production is likely going to be wasted there. If he strikes out, inning over and maybe the pitcher leads off or just follows with the third out, but that's not necessarily the 8-batters fault.
Usually these Kingman types hit 5th, 6th, or worst of all, cleanup, and they generally kill rallies there nestled amongst high-OBP guys. One has to imagine you want to play all or nothing with your 8-hole batter, if you can convince these ego-laden heavy hitters to play for you there.
by peeder on Jul 8, 2005 8:11 PM EDT 0 recs
problem
by DoctorK16 on
Jul 8, 2005 8:13 PM EDT
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Then you always clear the pitcher
by peeder on
Jul 8, 2005 8:14 PM EDT
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but you waste
by DoctorK16 on
Jul 8, 2005 8:21 PM EDT
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I don't think so
But never having the pitcher lead off is a massive win I have to imagine. That makes your leadoff batter the leadoff hitter far more often.
Just placing your worst hitter 8th, perhaps with a bit of speed for the bunting scenario, which is what lots of people do, just means you usually kill one rally and nip another in the bud the next inning.
by peeder on
Jul 8, 2005 8:27 PM EDT
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In other words
The Kingman type is mostly a surefire out, but the threat is severe enough that it doesn't count as one.
by peeder on
Jul 8, 2005 8:30 PM EDT
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to me
by DoctorK16 on
Jul 8, 2005 8:36 PM EDT
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Kingman, by the way
9th all time in strikeouts, 29th all time in homers.
by peeder on
Jul 8, 2005 8:39 PM EDT
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by definiton
by DoctorK16 on
Jul 8, 2005 8:43 PM EDT
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Think
You put it in the 8 hole is what I'm saying.
(And by the way, that raises his OBP due to the IBBs...which is why Kong's OBP is over .300 anyway.)
by peeder on
Jul 8, 2005 8:47 PM EDT
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what good does it do your lineup
by DoctorK16 on
Jul 8, 2005 8:50 PM EDT
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It scores a run is what it does.
When Diaz was hot, he was a high OBP guy.
Kingman types are available a dime a dozen in the minors. Every minor league team has one. What use are they? They never come up because of the low OBP. But in the national league, they can serve as pitcher clearers and base clearers, for cheap.
by peeder on
Jul 8, 2005 8:53 PM EDT
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why not bat him higher
by DoctorK16 on
Jul 8, 2005 8:59 PM EDT
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Offense
by erik from the bx on Jul 8, 2005 8:11 PM EDT 0 recs
mets just got a break
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 8:16 PM EDT 0 recs
So Reyes stole, went back, and then went to 3rd
by peeder on
Jul 8, 2005 8:18 PM EDT
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yeah
by DoctorK16 on
Jul 8, 2005 8:20 PM EDT
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I don't think he officially
by erik from the bx on Jul 8, 2005 8:21 PM EDT 0 recs
wright might be in too far
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 8:23 PM EDT 0 recs
Well the 6th is Zambrano's difficult inning
by peeder on Jul 8, 2005 8:28 PM EDT 0 recs
yeah if cammy
by DoctorK16 on
Jul 8, 2005 8:30 PM EDT
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Cubs sent down Corey Patterson?
by erik from the bx on Jul 8, 2005 8:34 PM EDT 0 recs
yeah
by DoctorK16 on
Jul 8, 2005 8:38 PM EDT
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as for preston wilson
by DoctorK16 on
Jul 8, 2005 8:41 PM EDT
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in that lineup
by DoctorK16 on
Jul 8, 2005 8:47 PM EDT
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great understudy performance
by DoctorK16 on
Jul 8, 2005 8:38 PM EDT
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here we go again
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 8:48 PM EDT 0 recs
Oh come on
We're just about to seal this thing...
by peeder on Jul 8, 2005 8:49 PM EDT 0 recs
it was a play that should have
by DoctorK16 on
Jul 8, 2005 8:51 PM EDT
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Lets hope Jose gets on again
by erik from the bx on Jul 8, 2005 8:52 PM EDT 0 recs
I hope Jose
by erik from the bx on Jul 8, 2005 8:59 PM EDT 0 recs
not really
by DoctorK16 on
Jul 8, 2005 9:01 PM EDT
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Would you walk Jason Bay?
by erik from the bx on Jul 8, 2005 9:03 PM EDT 0 recs
putting the tying run
by DoctorK16 on
Jul 8, 2005 9:04 PM EDT
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can the mets
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 9:03 PM EDT 0 recs
That was almost gone
by erik from the bx on Jul 8, 2005 9:04 PM EDT 0 recs
i thought it was when he hit it
by DoctorK16 on
Jul 8, 2005 9:05 PM EDT
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Big ass center field fence
by erik from the bx on Jul 8, 2005 9:08 PM EDT 0 recs
Didn't Corey Paterson hit 30 homeuns last year?
by erik from the bx on Jul 8, 2005 9:15 PM EDT 0 recs
He should bat 8th =D
by peeder on
Jul 8, 2005 9:16 PM EDT
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your obsessed
by DoctorK16 on
Jul 8, 2005 9:19 PM EDT
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why he hitting
by DoctorK16 on
Jul 8, 2005 9:19 PM EDT
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Anybody else still want
by erik from the bx on Jul 8, 2005 9:19 PM EDT 0 recs
mets don't have an
by DoctorK16 on
Jul 8, 2005 9:21 PM EDT
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Itshitty is pitching tamarra right?
by peeder on Jul 8, 2005 9:20 PM EDT 0 recs
yeah
by DoctorK16 on
Jul 8, 2005 9:22 PM EDT
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the mets
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 9:22 PM EDT 0 recs
Ramon Castro...
by RMKMets on Jul 8, 2005 9:23 PM EDT 0 recs
yeah floyd didn't exactly
by DoctorK16 on
Jul 8, 2005 9:24 PM EDT
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leave this poor man alone
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 9:23 PM EDT 0 recs
he made a mistake
by DoctorK16 on
Jul 8, 2005 9:25 PM EDT
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Most reclusive man in sports?
by peeder on
Jul 8, 2005 9:27 PM EDT
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who says alou catches that ball anyway
by DoctorK16 on
Jul 8, 2005 9:28 PM EDT
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They didn't need a billy goat
by peeder on
Jul 8, 2005 9:30 PM EDT
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i mean
by DoctorK16 on
Jul 8, 2005 9:33 PM EDT
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What the hell was Castro thinkin?
by erik from the bx on Jul 8, 2005 9:25 PM EDT 0 recs
it hit halfway up a 25 foot fence
by DoctorK16 on
Jul 8, 2005 9:26 PM EDT
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did he think gumby
by DoctorK16 on
Jul 8, 2005 9:26 PM EDT
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And here, jonboy
Not much better than Looper tonight...
by peeder on
Jul 8, 2005 9:31 PM EDT
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yeah
by DoctorK16 on
Jul 8, 2005 9:33 PM EDT
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