Open Thread - Game 86: Mets vs Pirates (07/08/2005) on FSNY
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Nice time to start a sweep
by peeder on Jul 8, 2005 6:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And a good way to start
by peeder on Jul 8, 2005 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Screw up by the umpires
by erik from the bx on Jul 8, 2005 7:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Reyes got called out at second
by erik from the bx on Jul 8, 2005 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pirates baseball
by erik from the bx on Jul 8, 2005 7:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone get the impression that
He plays an exciting brand of baseball, with steals and decent defense and even an inside-the-park homerun. He's hitting consistently over .300...and while some of that is pinch hitting it's getting a bit too regular to dismiss it as situational or even platooning. His lefty bat is useful, especially with Willieball...
Simpler question...would anyone prefer to see KazMat getting starts instead of Marlon?
by peeder on Jul 8, 2005 7:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
is his d good enough
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
in the short term
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course not
by erik from the bx on Jul 8, 2005 7:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You were good
by peeder on Jul 8, 2005 7:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it zambrano
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't Shea Rey
by peeder on Jul 8, 2005 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don' think it was that
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If beltran swings at the first pitch again
by erik from the bx on Jul 8, 2005 7:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The 8 hole
I see two common scenarios: what we just saw, 1 out or 2 out and the 8 hitter comes up and unless they homer they are unlikely to score or drive in many runs (the high-OBP players hitting earlier in the order, one presumes) or they come up with 0 out and the pitcher bunts them to second hoping the leadoff guy (not usually an RBI-type hitter) can drive them home.
So that makes me think the 8 hole is perfectly suited for one of the Dave Kingman types, who either hits homers or strikes out. Because if there are 1 or 2 outs you want this guy to hit a homer and clear the bases because otherwise his production is likely going to be wasted there. If he strikes out, inning over and maybe the pitcher leads off or just follows with the third out, but that's not necessarily the 8-batters fault.
Usually these Kingman types hit 5th, 6th, or worst of all, cleanup, and they generally kill rallies there nestled amongst high-OBP guys. One has to imagine you want to play all or nothing with your 8-hole batter, if you can convince these ego-laden heavy hitters to play for you there.
by peeder on Jul 8, 2005 8:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
problem
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then you always clear the pitcher
by peeder on Jul 8, 2005 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but you waste
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think so
But never having the pitcher lead off is a massive win I have to imagine. That makes your leadoff batter the leadoff hitter far more often.
Just placing your worst hitter 8th, perhaps with a bit of speed for the bunting scenario, which is what lots of people do, just means you usually kill one rally and nip another in the bud the next inning.
by peeder on Jul 8, 2005 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In other words
The Kingman type is mostly a surefire out, but the threat is severe enough that it doesn't count as one.
by peeder on Jul 8, 2005 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
to me
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kingman, by the way
9th all time in strikeouts, 29th all time in homers.
by peeder on Jul 8, 2005 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
by definiton
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Think
You put it in the 8 hole is what I'm saying.
(And by the way, that raises his OBP due to the IBBs...which is why Kong's OBP is over .300 anyway.)
by peeder on Jul 8, 2005 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what good does it do your lineup
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It scores a run is what it does.
When Diaz was hot, he was a high OBP guy.
Kingman types are available a dime a dozen in the minors. Every minor league team has one. What use are they? They never come up because of the low OBP. But in the national league, they can serve as pitcher clearers and base clearers, for cheap.
by peeder on Jul 8, 2005 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why not bat him higher
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Offense
by erik from the bx on Jul 8, 2005 8:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
mets just got a break
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 8:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So Reyes stole, went back, and then went to 3rd
by peeder on Jul 8, 2005 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he officially
by erik from the bx on Jul 8, 2005 8:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wright might be in too far
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 8:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well the 6th is Zambrano's difficult inning
by peeder on Jul 8, 2005 8:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah if cammy
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cubs sent down Corey Patterson?
by erik from the bx on Jul 8, 2005 8:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
as for preston wilson
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
in that lineup
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yow
by peeder on Jul 8, 2005 8:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
great understudy performance
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
here we go again
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 8:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh come on
We're just about to seal this thing...
by peeder on Jul 8, 2005 8:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it was a play that should have
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lets hope Jose gets on again
by erik from the bx on Jul 8, 2005 8:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope Jose
by erik from the bx on Jul 8, 2005 8:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
not really
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would you walk Jason Bay?
by erik from the bx on Jul 8, 2005 9:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
putting the tying run
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
can the mets
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 9:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Looper's paying them
by peeder on Jul 8, 2005 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was almost gone
by erik from the bx on Jul 8, 2005 9:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i thought it was when he hit it
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big ass center field fence
by erik from the bx on Jul 8, 2005 9:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Didn't Corey Paterson hit 30 homeuns last year?
by erik from the bx on Jul 8, 2005 9:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He should bat 8th =D
by peeder on Jul 8, 2005 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
your obsessed
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why he hitting
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anybody else still want
by erik from the bx on Jul 8, 2005 9:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
mets don't have an
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Itshitty is pitching tamarra right?
by peeder on Jul 8, 2005 9:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the mets
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 9:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ramon Castro...
by RMKMets on Jul 8, 2005 9:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah floyd didn't exactly
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
leave this poor man alone
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 9:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he made a mistake
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most reclusive man in sports?
by peeder on Jul 8, 2005 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
who says alou catches that ball anyway
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They didn't need a billy goat
by peeder on Jul 8, 2005 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What the hell was Castro thinkin?
by erik from the bx on Jul 8, 2005 9:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it hit halfway up a 25 foot fence
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
did he think gumby
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So much for Heilman replacing I-sigh-ee
by peeder on Jul 8, 2005 9:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And here, jonboy
Not much better than Looper tonight...
by peeder on Jul 8, 2005 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is this a save for looper?
by erik from the bx on Jul 8, 2005 9:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Heilman? Hell, man!
by Ken Phelps on Jul 8, 2005 9:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He is not going to walk
by erik from the bx on Jul 8, 2005 9:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
breaking ball
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In Heilman's locker tomorrow
by peeder on Jul 8, 2005 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that castro thing looking really bad right now
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 9:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Loop is getting all real-Loop on my ass.
by Ken Phelps on Jul 8, 2005 9:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Loop is getting all real-Loop on my ass.
by Ken Phelps on Jul 8, 2005 9:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
SHIT!!!
by erik from the bx on Jul 8, 2005 9:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what is cliffy floyd thinking
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 9:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that 4 run means nothing
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Redman was the only runner that
by peeder on Jul 8, 2005 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WTF IS GOING ON???
by ZaBlanc on Jul 8, 2005 9:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lets get the hell out of this inning
by erik from the bx on Jul 8, 2005 9:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Poor Zambrano
by ZaBlanc on Jul 8, 2005 9:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That was awful
by RMKMets on Jul 8, 2005 9:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If you want a no decision...
by RMKMets on Jul 8, 2005 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
willie should close
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 9:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This was bound to happen....
by RMKMets on Jul 8, 2005 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not just the baserunning
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ramon Castro should he FINED
by RMKMets on Jul 8, 2005 9:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
probably 2 cairo
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was about as bad inning
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 9:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Floyd gets a shot at redemption this inning
by peeder on Jul 8, 2005 9:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yea They have been
by erik from the bx on Jul 8, 2005 9:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Because Zambrano was effective
by peeder on Jul 8, 2005 9:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
All the earmarks
I want momentum going into the break. I want Pedro to be going for a sweep on Sunday.
But this game has all the earmarks of the Mets doing nothing ofensively and losing in the bottom of the 10th.
by ZaBlanc on Jul 8, 2005 9:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If that happens....
by RMKMets on Jul 8, 2005 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they scored 5
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carlos and the first pitch popup.
by Ken Phelps on Jul 8, 2005 9:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like a children's book
by peeder on Jul 8, 2005 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like
by Ken Phelps on Jul 8, 2005 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This games over
by erik from the bx on Jul 8, 2005 9:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
beltran
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i have
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With his salary
by peeder on Jul 8, 2005 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The manager should be pissed....
by RMKMets on Jul 8, 2005 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This just totally makes me sick....
by RMKMets on Jul 8, 2005 9:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
In other news
But they are trying to create a World Baseball Classic tournament to be held, World-Cup-style, in March.
by peeder on Jul 8, 2005 9:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
bullshit
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
by Ken Phelps on Jul 8, 2005 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On this, anyway,
you are correct.
And we lose.
by Ken Phelps on Jul 8, 2005 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Close One
by Jon Earving on Jul 8, 2005 9:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great...
by RMKMets on Jul 8, 2005 9:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Looper isn't fooling anyone
by peeder on Jul 8, 2005 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it would help
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow this is more embarassing
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 9:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
WHAT THE HELL WAS CAIRO DOING??
by RMKMets on Jul 8, 2005 9:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You know what...they deserve to lose this game...
by RMKMets on Jul 8, 2005 9:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
now he throws a curve
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 9:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
embarassing
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 10:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Game over
by RMKMets on Jul 8, 2005 10:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That fucking stank
by peeder on Jul 8, 2005 10:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And with Ishii pitching tomorrow...
by RMKMets on Jul 8, 2005 10:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
DISGRACE.
Pathetic loss to a pathetic team by a PATHETIC bullpen.
by ZaBlanc on Jul 8, 2005 10:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ramon Castro
by Ken Phelps on Jul 8, 2005 10:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Beautiful.
by Ken Phelps on Jul 8, 2005 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This CANNOT be tolerated
by RMKMets on Jul 8, 2005 10:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
guys should be fined
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow :(
2006. Next year is now.
by JC on Jul 8, 2005 10:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
willie needs to air out some guys for this
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 10:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
by Ken Phelps on Jul 8, 2005 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i know
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He SHOULD let them have it...
by RMKMets on Jul 8, 2005 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What reyes and cammy do?
by erik from the bx on Jul 8, 2005 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Errors that cost runs...
by RMKMets on Jul 8, 2005 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i can
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was boneheaded
by erik from the bx on Jul 8, 2005 10:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
True...
by RMKMets on Jul 8, 2005 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never thought I would have to hear the words
by Ken Phelps on Jul 8, 2005 10:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Braden Blooper
He was terrible for two straight innings. Just terrible. He was right up there as a main contributor to this absolutely deflating loss where the Mets totally deserved to lose.
by PlasticMoonRain on Jul 8, 2005 10:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
looper
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looper
by RMKMets on Jul 8, 2005 10:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
It's been real, y'all...real terrible. Time to go get acquainted with some drinks and forget the Bucs for a few hours. Have a nice weekend.
by Ken Phelps on Jul 8, 2005 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now we have to rely
by erik from the bx on Jul 8, 2005 10:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and even worse too...
by RMKMets on Jul 8, 2005 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh and msg to Mr. Minaya...
by RMKMets on Jul 8, 2005 10:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i found the perfect punishment
by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2005 10:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I like it.
by Ken Phelps on Jul 8, 2005 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every Time
by gategem on Jul 8, 2005 11:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Floyd and Castro
by gategem on Jul 8, 2005 11:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
late check-in
Man, Armando Benitez sure looks different as a slim white guy.
by anonymous on Jul 9, 2005 12:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That game
That is all...
by CharlieH on Jul 9, 2005 9:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cairo's Mercy Killing in the 10th
Since I can't vent to Randolph, I'll vent here:
--Whether Castro missed the run sign or not, Acta wasn't even on the TV screen on a long camera shot. What's with this 'coach'?--is he narcoleptic? He has a young, unsteady team out there--he has to step up. He's failed. He can't even read fly balls or study ground rules. He has to signal to Wright whether it's smart to steal third with two out, etc. I'd fire him--he's been a liability all year.
--Where's the team communication? Whenever there's a Met on base and a pitch in the dirt, I've yet to see the batter signal the baserunner whether to run or hold. This is selfish individulism.
--Please, no trades (I have nightmares: the Mets trading Wright and Reyes for John Rocker). It's "Wait Til Next Year" already. But obviously Looper has to be gone by 2006. A 'power pitcher' with 13 strikeouts in July? Bullpen by Committee, please, and if possible, develop a few prospects in the ML this year so we can dump this gutless loser.
--Randolph should do what Gil Hodges did in 1969--if you can't field, if you're asleep--march out to the player's position and pull him. A little humility can go a long way.
--Send Beltran to the Cyclones for a week. He'll appreciate ML baseball again. (looks like that 2004 .268 average wasn't a fluke).
The good news: $5 Upper Reserved seats by August 15 or so...
by kjs59 on Jul 9, 2005 3:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm Glad You Brought Up The Third Base Coach
by gategem on Jul 9, 2005 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bad ACTA
better news: by august 15 you'll be able to 'sneak' into loge by the 3rd inning...
by kjs59 on Jul 9, 2005 9:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't care if Manny
by erik from the bx on Jul 9, 2005 9:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bronx Logic
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