Open Thread - Game 42: Mets vs Yankees (05/20/2006) on FOX

I hate to say it...

The game may always go the other way, but today the Mets are very clearly putting the better team on the field. I think this may be the first time since interleague play began that there was just no question about which team was better, and it was us.

by anonymous on May 20, 2006 1:06 PM EDT reply actions

Yes

Given the talent available, the Mets are the better team. It's easy (or convenient) to forget that the Yankees are without Gary Sheffield and Hideki Matsui, both All Stars, and were without Jorge Posada for almost all of last night's game (though Kelly Stinnett acquitted himself quite well). With Cliff Floyd hitting as he has, you could make the argument that the Mets are without one of their best hitters, but a Yankee lineup at full health likely would have done more damage last night than the team that was actually on the field.

All you can do is play the cards you are dealt and, sticking with the poker analogue, the Mets hit a straight flush on the river last night.

by Eric Simon on May 20, 2006 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions

$kank$

have bought themselves a pretty good squad, but i won't shed any tears because some of those big dollar players on the DL.

one of the reasons we've got the better team (now and in the long run) is because we're younger and as a result healthier.

we are one big pitcher away from being dominant.

Pedro offers you his protection.

by pj on May 20, 2006 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions

also bought themselves an old team

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 20, 2006 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions

Injuries

Oh, any tears I shed will be for joy; when healthy (always a tricky caveat) the Yankees' lineup is far and away the best in baseball. Getting all of those geriatrics on the field at once is a challenge, to be sure.

by Eric Simon on May 20, 2006 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions

Heh.

I see Fox, during their X-Men promo, equated the Yankees to the villains and the Mets were the heroes. Guess that makes Xavier Nady = Professor X?

by chiefbrody75 on May 20, 2006 1:22 PM EDT reply actions

papaya head

what happened there?

Pedro offers you his protection.

by pj on May 20, 2006 1:29 PM EDT reply actions

Ok, runner on third, no one out

Let's not blow this one

by chiefbrody75 on May 20, 2006 1:38 PM EDT reply actions

GameCenter = slow

reyes triple?

Pedro offers you his protection.

by pj on May 20, 2006 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions

Reached first on error

Stole second, bad throw gets him to third, Beltran doubles off the wall

by chiefbrody75 on May 20, 2006 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions

reached on A-Rod

throwing error. Stole second to third on Stinnett throwing error into CF.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 20, 2006 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions

thanks

switched to mlb and it is better. i just ordered the mlb audio for the rest of the season.

p.s. fuck the skanks

Pedro offers you his protection.

by pj on May 20, 2006 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions

Yes!

Beltran does it again, wonder if people still hate him

by chiefbrody75 on May 20, 2006 1:40 PM EDT reply actions

earning his money

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 20, 2006 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions

Mets fans controlling shea

i like it

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 20, 2006 1:43 PM EDT reply actions

And Wright goes over Damon's head again!

2-0 Mets

by chiefbrody75 on May 20, 2006 1:44 PM EDT reply actions

to all the Beltran defense

complainers. That David Wright liner is a play that he eats up.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 20, 2006 1:44 PM EDT reply actions

Absolutely right

That ball landed pretty much in the same spot where Cano's Sac fly was caught last night.

by chiefbrody75 on May 20, 2006 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions

That

was a great catch Beltran made last night.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on May 20, 2006 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions

So was there a big delay between

half innings or is mlb.com's gameday really behind?

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on May 20, 2006 1:56 PM EDT reply actions

fox

longer commericals during fox games. Did I mention that I hate fox.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 20, 2006 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions

the Fox TV guy

was booed by the entire stadium for holding up the start of the game when everyone on the field was ready to go 5 minutes earlier, at the scheduled time. It was nice to hear.

by anonymous on May 20, 2006 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions

Has Scooter showed up?

I want to beat that baseball down.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on May 20, 2006 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions

I was at game

a couple years ago where the game didn't start to 1.25 (1.10 start). Just to show more commercials.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 20, 2006 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions

Pitch counts through 2

Mussina: 35
Pedro: 24

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on May 20, 2006 2:00 PM EDT reply actions

Shit

Yankees threatening.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on May 20, 2006 2:10 PM EDT reply actions

Guys

keep posting, keep me informed with your observations. All I got today is gameday, so you're all I got.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on May 20, 2006 2:11 PM EDT reply actions

And Pedro K's the great Jeter

Still 2-0, and Pedro looking good

by chiefbrody75 on May 20, 2006 2:12 PM EDT reply actions

I'd be a lot happier

with a few insurance runs, but Pedro looks very sharp so far and the Yankee lineup is at anything but full strength.

by anonymous on May 20, 2006 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions

get into the bullpen

Try to get Mussina out after 6.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 20, 2006 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions

Yep

I was thinking the same, but now it looks like Mussina's settled in. I hope Pedro can take two runs seven or eight innings today.

by chiefbrody75 on May 20, 2006 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions

I don't think

Mussina has pitched badly at all. A lot of lesser men would have crumbled under the pressure of two big errors. But that's all he's given up and been pretty solid today.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on May 20, 2006 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions

Crazy Fight in the Cubs-White Sox game

AJ runs over Barrett at the plate, then says something, then Barrett SLUGS AJ(who deserved it) and then Anderson got ejected with AJ, Barrett and Mabry got ejected too.

Craziness.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on May 20, 2006 2:21 PM EDT reply actions

crazy stuff

suspensions forcoming. Why guys like to play for Ozzie, he was the first one out of the dugout. AJ is a little bit of a punk though, always has been.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 20, 2006 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions

Just saw that punch

I haven't seen a punch that clean in a baseball fight since Ray Knight popped Eric Davis in 86

by chiefbrody75 on May 20, 2006 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions

yeah

Fights that occur at a base allow for clean shots because half the team doesn't have a chance to step in before it starts.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 20, 2006 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions

How did Cano get time there

How much you wanna bet he ends up on his back before the game is over.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 20, 2006 2:25 PM EDT reply actions

What happened

umpires give time so many times to batters these days. If you didn't foul the ball off or the pitcher is taking too long, no time should be given.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on May 20, 2006 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions

The phillies tried that same stunt

Batters stepping out just when Pedro starts his motion, it doesn't seem to bother him though.

by chiefbrody75 on May 20, 2006 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions

he plunked a Brewer for doing on Sunday

i think.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 20, 2006 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions

David Bell

comes to mind. What a little bitch.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on May 20, 2006 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions

I think if no one was on

Cano would have just taken one in the back.

by chiefbrody75 on May 20, 2006 2:27 PM EDT reply actions

nice to see that Cairo

is still good for weak outs with men on base.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 20, 2006 2:29 PM EDT reply actions

wonder how many articles

would be in the paper if LoDuca and Posada got into fight like that in a subway series. No other news would be reported in NYC that day.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 20, 2006 2:30 PM EDT reply actions

its not pizza...its delgone-o

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 20, 2006 2:32 PM EDT reply actions

Wow

Delgado solo homerun

by Since80 on May 20, 2006 2:32 PM EDT reply actions

Delgado!

How strong is this guy? He barely seemed to swing and the ball is over the wall in left-center. That was Strawberry-esque.

by chiefbrody75 on May 20, 2006 2:33 PM EDT reply actions

I can't wait to see that home run

On the highlights.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on May 20, 2006 2:35 PM EDT reply actions

i am so sick of this Clemens

crap. It even worse than Brett Favre. This is like street hooker price negociations.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 20, 2006 2:37 PM EDT reply actions

I hate Clemens, but...

I'd love it if he ended up in Boston. Then we'll see what all the Yankee fans that didn't understand why Boston would boo Johnny Damon would have to say.

by chiefbrody75 on May 20, 2006 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions

me too

but I just sick of hearing about it. Shit or get off the pot.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 20, 2006 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions

I want to know

How high was that strike to Nady?

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on May 20, 2006 2:41 PM EDT reply actions

Looked like a strike to me

but anything over the belt nowadays is never called

by chiefbrody75 on May 20, 2006 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions

I was just wondering since

the high strike is never called when I think it really should be considering it's the pitch hitters love to hit. I think if the hitters like hitting it so much, it should be called a strike.

But, if that's a strike, I just want it called consistently.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on May 20, 2006 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions

Nice catch by Floyd

going into the crowd to take one away from a guy with a Yankee hat. Now I just wish he'd start hitting. How many games is it before a bad start turns into a bad season?

by chiefbrody75 on May 20, 2006 2:44 PM EDT reply actions

Memorial Day

is when I start to worry about teams or players.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 20, 2006 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions

Jeez

These commercial breaks are long.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on May 20, 2006 2:47 PM EDT reply actions

Good ol' Fox Network

Can make a 1-0 game go 3 1/2 hours. What a joke

by chiefbrody75 on May 20, 2006 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions

at least no

in game commerials for shows. I hate that shit.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 20, 2006 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions

Yankees play

sloppy baseball. No fundamentals what so ever.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 20, 2006 2:51 PM EDT reply actions

Teams must've both partied last night

Can't get a grip on the ball.

by peeder on May 20, 2006 2:51 PM EDT reply actions

Hope this is a quick inning

Pedro's gotta be around 80 pitches now, he probably won't go another inning if he goes over a hundred in this one.

by chiefbrody75 on May 20, 2006 2:53 PM EDT reply actions

quick enough for you

5 pitch inning

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 20, 2006 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions

Well that was pretty good

What was that, five pitches?

by chiefbrody75 on May 20, 2006 2:57 PM EDT reply actions

yeah

3 to Judas, first pitch outs for Jeter and Giambalco

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 20, 2006 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions

5 pitch inning

Gotta love it.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on May 20, 2006 2:59 PM EDT reply actions

8 pitch inning for Moose

Just when I thought we could break it open and get to the bullpen.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on May 20, 2006 3:05 PM EDT reply actions

Hate those 2 strike hits.

Pedro of Old would have just blown it by him.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on May 20, 2006 3:06 PM EDT reply actions

nice

I was just thinking, How bout a double play here? And the Mets show the Yankees how to execute a rundown.

by chiefbrody75 on May 20, 2006 3:09 PM EDT reply actions

And Scott Erickson is up in the pen

maybe this will be the inning to add some runs

by chiefbrody75 on May 20, 2006 3:10 PM EDT reply actions

Geez

This has been a sloppy game.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on May 20, 2006 3:11 PM EDT reply actions

un-oh

here come the two out hits. Come on Pedro One more

by chiefbrody75 on May 20, 2006 3:11 PM EDT reply actions

come on

Wright was called out on that exact same pitch

by chiefbrody75 on May 20, 2006 3:13 PM EDT reply actions

There we go

out of it with another Vintage Pedro K.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on May 20, 2006 3:14 PM EDT reply actions

Got him anyway

nice performance Pedro,

by chiefbrody75 on May 20, 2006 3:14 PM EDT reply actions

Cliff!!!!

Nice of you grace us with your bat today.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 20, 2006 3:17 PM EDT reply actions

that'll help

by peeder on May 20, 2006 3:17 PM EDT reply actions

Thaere you go Cliffy!!!

Towering Hr to right, that's gotta feel good.

by chiefbrody75 on May 20, 2006 3:17 PM EDT reply actions

Cliff Floyd

You rock man.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on May 20, 2006 3:18 PM EDT reply actions

Julio Franco

At least he can't GIDP.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on May 20, 2006 3:20 PM EDT reply actions

Haha

And he doubles.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on May 20, 2006 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions

Really should've been a single

Melky butchered it by diving for it when he had no shot at it, if he doesn't get a piece of it, it's a triple or more

by chiefbrody75 on May 20, 2006 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions

melky cabrera

butchered that. Should have been a single.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 20, 2006 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions

Now let's get Pedro a win

It's been a while for him

by chiefbrody75 on May 20, 2006 3:26 PM EDT reply actions

What's up with Duaner?

He's not looking good.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on May 20, 2006 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions

weak pop fly single

by Reese. Double play ball on Judas. Looking just fine.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 20, 2006 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions

nice dp

all around. Kaz with the charge, Reyes with the turn. Deldago with the pick.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 20, 2006 3:29 PM EDT reply actions

Sorry, I was picturing Duaner

throwing wildly, but I forgot about his amazing ability to get two.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on May 20, 2006 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions

Woohoo Damon GIDP

by peeder on May 20, 2006 3:29 PM EDT reply actions

Big, big double play

Great throw by Reyes

by chiefbrody75 on May 20, 2006 3:29 PM EDT reply actions

easy enough

one more inning.

by chiefbrody75 on May 20, 2006 3:30 PM EDT reply actions

Let's break this wide open

in the bottom of the 8th.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on May 20, 2006 3:30 PM EDT reply actions

Let Sanchez pitch the 9th

It's not a save op, and if he falters have Wags up. Meanwhile, we can use Wags tamarra that way.

by peeder on May 20, 2006 3:30 PM EDT reply actions

but you may not be able to use sanchez

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 20, 2006 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions

yeah,

it's more important not to burn Sanchez out for tomorrow than it is to save Wags the work.

by anonymous on May 20, 2006 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions

esp. now Heilman

might not be ahem "available in the bullpen"

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 20, 2006 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions

I hope you're right,

but I'm pretty sure Soler or Pelfrey is getting called up for Lima and Gonzalez will continue in the rotation for now. I'd rather see Soler and Heilman each pick up a few starts.

by anonymous on May 20, 2006 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions

I say bring in Julio

if he gives up a run, call Wagner

by chiefbrody75 on May 20, 2006 3:32 PM EDT reply actions

not in this series

Yankee hitters familiar with his stuff from Balt.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 20, 2006 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions

And now an error on a pickoff attempt

Yankees are finding every way to muff plays

by chiefbrody75 on May 20, 2006 3:36 PM EDT reply actions

200 million buys you this

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 20, 2006 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions

Great play by Kaz

He know Miguel Cairo sucks too.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 20, 2006 3:38 PM EDT reply actions

Beltran just missed that one

And I thought Cairo would just drop it anyway

by chiefbrody75 on May 20, 2006 3:38 PM EDT reply actions

Where is McCarver trying to go

with this Mets buying a team crap. The Mets payroll is about 1/2 what the Yankees payroll is. Less than the Red Sox and about what the teams in the teams in their division are spending and other big market teams. He ignores that fact that right now they 4 levels of spending in MLB. Small market, middle market, big market and Yankees.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 20, 2006 3:40 PM EDT reply actions

We did buy players

We bought Wagner. We bought Pedro. We bought Beltran.

Everyone buys players. You have to, it's called free agency. But for McCarver to bring it up when the Mets are playing the Yankees is just absurd.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on May 20, 2006 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions

And now McCarver's saying

Mariano had the song first. Can we please leave the dead horse alone?

by chiefbrody75 on May 20, 2006 3:47 PM EDT reply actions

Actually

Wagner had it first. And guess what, he's actually heard of Metallica.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on May 20, 2006 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions

Well, whaddya think now about Sanchez?

Now it's a save op.

by peeder on May 20, 2006 3:50 PM EDT reply actions

not for wags its not

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 20, 2006 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions

oh great

now Wagner can't get an out. 4-1, tying run coming up, at least we're getting towards the bottom of the order

by chiefbrody75 on May 20, 2006 3:50 PM EDT reply actions

I hate closers

in for non-save opportunities.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on May 20, 2006 3:50 PM EDT reply actions

Eric do we have any stats

on closers in save ops vs. non-save ops? Do the really pitch worse or are we biased from Benitez' results?

by peeder on May 20, 2006 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions

awful lot of pitches being thrown by Wagner

Doubt he'll be avail. tomorrow

by chiefbrody75 on May 20, 2006 3:55 PM EDT reply actions

How much you wanna bet

They put him in because it's on FOX.

by peeder on May 20, 2006 3:56 PM EDT reply actions

Wagner

looks uncertain; he's overthrowing everything, and even Melky Cabrera is hanging on and waiting for the fastball. The bottom of the Yankee order is very weak, though. Maybe he's still got a chance to work through it if he can find the goddamn strike zone.

by anonymous on May 20, 2006 3:57 PM EDT reply actions

He can't get the ball over now

Walks Cabrera after going 0-2. Now he's not even close

by chiefbrody75 on May 20, 2006 3:57 PM EDT reply actions

I hate to say this

but I wouldn't mind seeing Julio.

by peeder on May 20, 2006 3:57 PM EDT reply actions

Wagner..

bringing up Benitez symptoms right now.

by Since80 on May 20, 2006 3:58 PM EDT reply actions

Hoo...

What's wrong with Wagner? This is unacceptable.

by Since80 on May 20, 2006 3:59 PM EDT reply actions

get him now !!!

pull him now

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 20, 2006 3:59 PM EDT reply actions

unbelievable

4-2 bases loaded 2 out, who do we go to now??? I'm beginning to think Pedro's never going to get a win again. ooops, now 4-3

by chiefbrody75 on May 20, 2006 3:59 PM EDT reply actions

Tying run in scoring position, 1 out.

by peeder on May 20, 2006 3:59 PM EDT reply actions

Now on 3rd

She's breaking up! She's breaking up!

by peeder on May 20, 2006 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions

Unfortrunately

the Mets will always be the Mets won't they

It's only a game

by elifriedman on May 20, 2006 4:00 PM EDT reply actions

just feel the positive vibes

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 20, 2006 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions

oh, man.

Could there be anything more demoralizing than losing this game?

by anonymous on May 20, 2006 4:00 PM EDT reply actions

his finger must be a bigger deal than we know

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 20, 2006 4:01 PM EDT reply actions

This is ridiculous

At least the Yankees blew their 4-0 lead early. Not in the ninth inning.

by chiefbrody75 on May 20, 2006 4:01 PM EDT reply actions

Well this sucks ass

I checked in at the hardware store and mets were up 4-0. come home to watch one of the all-time shitty meltdowns. Maybe I should turn it off.

by Billy Everyteen on May 20, 2006 4:01 PM EDT reply actions

No we have to pay nearly Wag's entire salary in

psychotherapy bills, all for no reason. We had a 4-run lead, and Wagner was used just a few hours prior.

by peeder on May 20, 2006 4:01 PM EDT reply actions

hes gotta be able to get 3 outs

up by 4 runs. Not willie fault.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 20, 2006 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions

Pedro

they're going to lose it for Pedro. Screw Billy Wagner. He's unbelievably inconsistent. a head case. what the hell was wrong with Sanchez.

It's only a game

by elifriedman on May 20, 2006 4:01 PM EDT reply actions

you want him available tommorow

and not run up innings. Wags gotta get outs

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 20, 2006 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions

wow

he didn't get the outs did he. He's blown a whole bunch of save opportunities. he stinks and Randolph stayed with him too long. This blows

It's only a game

by elifriedman on May 20, 2006 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions

Oh hey eli.

Figured something must be going wrong the game, or we might not have seen you today.

by Mr. Met on May 20, 2006 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions

tie game

there you have it. Pedro can't get a win. The guy can pitch a no-hitter and the Mets will find a way to lose it. What are the chances Jeter does anything but win the game here?

by chiefbrody75 on May 20, 2006 4:04 PM EDT reply actions

What a horrible game

I hereby revoke the sale of my soul to baseball. There's nothing enjoyable about watching this.

by Billy Everyteen on May 20, 2006 4:05 PM EDT reply actions

bring back Looper

at least he wasn't so expensive

It's only a game

by elifriedman on May 20, 2006 4:06 PM EDT reply actions

Stop all your crying you big babies.

It doesn't matter who gets the win, as long as the Mets do.

by Mr. Met on May 20, 2006 4:07 PM EDT reply actions

Unbelievable!

Willie should have pulled Wagner after the 2nd run and had Bradford face Williams(batting left-handed) to try to get a DP! Is there anyone worse at managing a pitching staff? UGH!

by Met62 on May 20, 2006 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions

have you seen Bradford numbers

against lefty. The guy who is blame for all of this wears 13 not 12.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 20, 2006 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions

yeah

so the Mets win and suppose they even get into the playoffs. Do you trust Mr.Choke to get a big save for you. THis is only one game, but it continues a bad trend for Wagner. It also shows what a lousy manager Willie is by sticking with Wagner after he threw three four balls to Stinnett that wasn't close to strike zone.

It's only a game

by elifriedman on May 20, 2006 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions

I don't know about all that.

But it shows for sure what a black cloud you are on any given sunny day.

How was your dinner last night, by the way? Fish undercooked? Potatoes too mushy? Waiter too slow with the check?

by Mr. Met on May 20, 2006 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions

absoulte bullshit

We went out and got a guy who has been one of the best closers in the league year in and year this off season. Pay him 43 million. Willie brings him to close out 4-0 game and ge starts sucking, what do you want from the guy.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 20, 2006 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions

Whew

Jeter gets an out and the Mets have a chance to get the win in the 9th.

by Since80 on May 20, 2006 4:09 PM EDT reply actions

Come on X-man

End it all.

by Billy Everyteen on May 20, 2006 4:09 PM EDT reply actions

OK we get out of it with a tie score

Now we can win in a walk-off again, but with such a vast momentum switch, we'll be lucky if it goes 12.

by peeder on May 20, 2006 4:09 PM EDT reply actions

Mets hitters

Who is supposed to come up in the 9th? I was hoping for a walkoff if anything.

by Since80 on May 20, 2006 4:10 PM EDT reply actions

Nady, Castro, pitcher

by Billy Everyteen on May 20, 2006 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions

The Mets may still win this game

but at this point, I'm getting a little sick of seeing them blow big leads then get the win late. And talk about how it shows so much character. I guess we're just doomed to never have a closer that makes us comfortable. Doesn't matter who puts the uniform on, if it says Mets, it says blow this game

by chiefbrody75 on May 20, 2006 4:11 PM EDT reply actions

John Franco

was a quality closer. Please, don't insult him.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on May 20, 2006 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions

K

damn

by Billy Everyteen on May 20, 2006 4:12 PM EDT reply actions

mccarver

has it right. The result is meaningless. Wagner is a real problem

It's only a game

by elifriedman on May 20, 2006 4:13 PM EDT reply actions

Yeah the result is meaningless.

Let me just say it straight out: you're an idiot.

by Mr. Met on May 20, 2006 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions

it's official

you're a moron

It's only a game

by elifriedman on May 20, 2006 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions

Riiiight/

"I don't care IF they win, I care HOW they win." Blubbubllbublbulbulbub.

by Mr. Met on May 20, 2006 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions

Ad hominem MR

Not cool

by peeder on May 20, 2006 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions

I don't want to validate eli's incessant whining.

by Mr. Met on May 20, 2006 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions

I trust in Castro

To do something Then hopefully, we can bring in Endy to pinch hit and get a game winninghit.

by Since80 on May 20, 2006 4:14 PM EDT reply actions

Finger Injury=Control Problems

Shocking.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on May 20, 2006 4:15 PM EDT reply actions

no excuse

He didn't have a finger problem when he struck out the side yesterday. It's not in his finger it's in his head

It's only a game

by elifriedman on May 20, 2006 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions

common

It seems like a lot of the Mets relievers have problems with their heads when trying to close out games.

by Since80 on May 20, 2006 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions

Dude

Just let it go. He has a torn tendon on his middle finger. It affects his control. Sometimes he has it, sometimes he doesn't. It creates inconsistency.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on May 20, 2006 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions

More likely, it requires rest

More than 18 hours between appearances.

by peeder on May 20, 2006 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions

Wanger

you're making this stuff up as you go along. He had a meltdown worse than any I ever saw Benitez or Franco ever have

It's only a game

by elifriedman on May 20, 2006 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions

did you watch game 6 of 1999 NLCS

Wags hasn't reached that level.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 20, 2006 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions

benitez

and franco blew one run save opportunities. Kenny Rogers was the screw up. I really cannot remember as big a meltdown. He only got one out, walked three and hit a batter. The best he could do was get Cairo to pop up

It's only a game

by elifriedman on May 20, 2006 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions

benitez

imploded in lead in game 4 too. Melvin Mora play saved them.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 20, 2006 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions

Julio time...yes?

by peeder on May 20, 2006 4:17 PM EDT reply actions

Wow, two strikeouts and an infield pop out

The Mets have completely deflated. And what a surprise, The Yankees have the 3-4-5 hitters up.

by chiefbrody75 on May 20, 2006 4:18 PM EDT reply actions

Is he watching the same game?

Understanding that Wagner is responsible for this mess, did anyone of you actually feel that he was going to get Williams(or anyone else at that point) out? Seeing how the game is unfolding in front of him IS Randolph's job, and he should have taken Wagner out before he hit Bernie.

by Met62 on May 20, 2006 4:19 PM EDT reply actions

I'm not watching the game

But I thought that he was showing faith in Wagner.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on May 20, 2006 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions

he throws 98

maybe he gets a dp ball

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 20, 2006 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions

willie

sees nothing. He hopes

It's only a game

by elifriedman on May 20, 2006 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions

You would think so, but that's not customary

You are obligated to stick with your closer, even if they ain't got it on a given day. You can't relieve your supreme reliever unless they have the loss staring them in the face (i.e., when Willie finally did).

It's stupid, but that's the way the pecking order goes. You get accused of "undermining" them.

The correct course of action was to not bring him in until it was, in fact, a save opportunity. However, there is probably pressure from corporate to display the stars of the team in front of a national audience.

by peeder on May 20, 2006 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions

based on performance

Wagner is the third best reliever. Hell, Julio looks better right now than wagner

It's only a game

by elifriedman on May 20, 2006 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions

yes,

I would have yanked him by then, but leaving Wags in for Bernie is completely defensible. Williams is a great, great candidate for the game-ending DP: he has little bat speed left and also little foot speed, and Wagner was still throwing hard. The readiness of the bullpen was also a factor -- Wags imploded pretty quickly, and Feliciano might not have been ready that soon.

by anonymous on May 20, 2006 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions

logic!!!

I love it

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 20, 2006 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions

wait

was Wagner close to throwing a strike to Stinnett wow Julio was great. I apologize for doubting him

It's only a game

by elifriedman on May 20, 2006 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions

We've seen Wager hiccup before

He has given up a four-pitch walk before and then turned around and closed it out. You can't pull your ace reliever every time he looks bad to a couple of batters in a row. I agree, it's debatable, and I probably would have had a shorter leash than Willie myself here given how bad Wagner looked, but there's no way this is a cut-and-dried example of managerial incompetence.

by anonymous on May 20, 2006 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions

julio

this might be over soon

It's only a game

by elifriedman on May 20, 2006 4:22 PM EDT reply actions

leadoff walk

not even close

by chiefbrody75 on May 20, 2006 4:22 PM EDT reply actions

Ah, Jorge

Castro is that direction.

by Billy Everyteen on May 20, 2006 4:22 PM EDT reply actions

A-Rod in big spot

Gotta love the odds.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 20, 2006 4:24 PM EDT reply actions

At least we can count on A-Rod

to not come through, easy 2

by chiefbrody75 on May 20, 2006 4:24 PM EDT reply actions

Well, top of the order

They'd better end this here

by chiefbrody75 on May 20, 2006 4:26 PM EDT reply actions

tell me

How the hell does Pedro have the same number of wins as Randy Johnson and one less than Kris Benson

It's only a game

by elifriedman on May 20, 2006 4:27 PM EDT reply actions

Bad hitting and/or bad relieving

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on May 20, 2006 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions

National League

all the games aren't 10-9. Plus, often the pitcher gets pulled early for a pitch hitter when behind to try to rally.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 20, 2006 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions

Can we victimize Mariano

two days in a row?

by Billy Everyteen on May 20, 2006 4:29 PM EDT reply actions

Interesting

Reyes batting righty against Rivera. Always wondered why more switch-hitters didn't try that

by chiefbrody75 on May 20, 2006 4:29 PM EDT reply actions

wags

mets closer position is the most worthless spot to waste money on

no matter what idiot they bring in they always blow big games

we were better off not wasting money on Braden Wagner and getting another starter

by chuckwagon on May 20, 2006 4:31 PM EDT reply actions

Did Reyes

switch bak to lefty? Or was gameday just messed up?

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on May 20, 2006 4:31 PM EDT reply actions

KazMat

Getting on base.

Try and steal or hope to avoid the DP ball?

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on May 20, 2006 4:32 PM EDT reply actions

watching the same game?

Hey guys, all that sticking with your closer and all that is great, but managing the game is what Willie is paid for(he can soothe Wagner's ego after the game is WON!)......Bernie is a much bigger threat batting right-handed, and despite Bradford's stats, considering Wagner's meltdown, getting him out with 2 runs for the new reliever to work with was the move to make.

by Met62 on May 20, 2006 4:32 PM EDT reply actions

mr. steroids

just tied Ruth

It's only a game

by elifriedman on May 20, 2006 4:33 PM EDT reply actions

terrible at bat

by Beltran

It's only a game

by elifriedman on May 20, 2006 4:35 PM EDT reply actions

Whatever

Delgado is going Del-gone right here.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on May 20, 2006 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions

I wish the team luck

but I gotta go.

by peeder on May 20, 2006 4:38 PM EDT reply actions

huh?

Looked bad for a COUPLE of batters????? A 4-0 game, nobody on base, and he leaves after hitting a guy to make it 4-3 and you think that's looking bad for a couple of batters? Please, a slow-pitch softball manager would pull a pitcher before then.

by Met62 on May 20, 2006 4:39 PM EDT reply actions

are you trying to reply to me?

If you're replying to my post three screens up, which used that phrase, I already agreed that Wagner looked bad. Terrible, even. But honestly, you can't expect Willie to have that short a hook for his ace reliever, or else you'd (or someone would) be bitching just as loudly about all the games Feliciano blew when Wagner "should have" stayed in.

Please use the "Reply to this" link to post replies, or else it's impossible to figure out what discussion you're participating in and your comment just looks like an inexplicable outburst.

by anonymous on May 20, 2006 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions

reply

I wasn't replying directly to you with that post, I simply used your phrase to continue the general conversation whether Wagner or Willie was more to blame; sorry if there was any confusion. I tend to try to look at the entire situation, and while the immediate blame is Wagner's for sure, the fact that he should not have even been in the game at that point(and allowing him to implode before our very eyes) is Willie's fault! He is horrendous at managing a pitching staff(Jeff Brantley on ESPN stated my exact opinion on the subject by relating his own problems coming into non-save situations like this).......Sanchez had not pitched last night, pitched only 1 inning in this game, there was a 4-0 lead, and if everyone is to be believed, Wagner has a bad finger and pitched last night; all of these factors screamed out for Sanchez to at least begin the 9th inning! This is baseball 101, nothing mind-boggling and certainly no rational reason to break with the closer-use "rules". People can rationalize all they want about this, but it was a bad move bringing him in there and a bad move to leave him in....period.

by Met62 on May 20, 2006 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions

Everyone looked bad that inning

Hopefully Rivera's done for the day

by chiefbrody75 on May 20, 2006 4:39 PM EDT reply actions

Gah

Why would you let Cairo steal there. He's the go-ahead run.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on May 20, 2006 4:46 PM EDT reply actions

that why you let him

steal, risky but Yankees playing with house money. Steal third was a bad play though.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 20, 2006 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions

Another K

by Julio.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on May 20, 2006 4:48 PM EDT reply actions

Ok

Do they not care about Cairo at all here?

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on May 20, 2006 4:49 PM EDT reply actions

i feel sick

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 20, 2006 4:50 PM EDT reply actions

Well

I want to know, does he score from second on that?

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on May 20, 2006 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah he would've scored from second anyway

by chiefbrody75 on May 20, 2006 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions

SHIT

That blows.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on May 20, 2006 4:50 PM EDT reply actions

Looks like 3 straight

losses in Pedro starts, not that it's his fault

by chiefbrody75 on May 20, 2006 4:50 PM EDT reply actions

well

let's see if Mets can come back

It's only a game

by elifriedman on May 20, 2006 4:50 PM EDT reply actions

I bet Rivera is coming back out

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on May 20, 2006 4:51 PM EDT reply actions

no doubt about it now

by chiefbrody75 on May 20, 2006 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions

good

can't wait to hear billy after today's game talk about how dissapointed he is and how he'll try to get 'em next time

HE IS A LOSER

by chuckwagon on May 20, 2006 4:54 PM EDT reply actions

Rivera

Has probably never blown a four run lead in 9th

It's only a game

by elifriedman on May 20, 2006 4:55 PM EDT reply actions

Well, Torre wouldn't have been stupid enough

To bring him in in a non-save, non-tied game.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on May 20, 2006 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions

yes he has

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 20, 2006 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions

white guys

can the mets ever get out a white guy who is hitting under .200 in a big situation???

same principle as the fact they can't hit any pitcher who has less than 4 major league starts under their belt

can't wait to see floyd strike out here
or maybe if we're lucky ground out reallly hard to first

by chuckwagon on May 20, 2006 4:56 PM EDT reply actions

true

It's only a game

by elifriedman on May 20, 2006 4:56 PM EDT reply actions

then again

did the fact it was a non save situation make Wagner pitch badly. Save statistic is stupid anyway.

It's only a game

by elifriedman on May 20, 2006 4:57 PM EDT reply actions

After last night

I never thought there was any chance the Mets could lose this series, but now I bet they don't hit a lick tomorrow. Glavine's gonna have to be perfect. And hit a home run

by chiefbrody75 on May 20, 2006 4:57 PM EDT reply actions

this is a good ab by cliff

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 20, 2006 4:59 PM EDT reply actions

after 8th inning

I didn't think the Yankees had a chance of winning a game in the series.

It's only a game

by elifriedman on May 20, 2006 5:00 PM EDT reply actions

have you ever watched a met game??

what in the world would make you think that the mets had this on lock after the 8th against the yankees?????

ridiculous assertion

by chuckwagon on May 20, 2006 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions

Come on Nady

You're our last chance.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on May 20, 2006 5:00 PM EDT reply actions

Crap

Crappity Crap.

by Since80 on May 20, 2006 5:02 PM EDT reply actions

pretty pathetic

now there's a closer. Only one game of 162, but the Wagner problem will be difficult to deal with for the rest of the season

It's only a game

by elifriedman on May 20, 2006 5:02 PM EDT reply actions

Yeah.

You'd better find another team to go root against.

by Mr. Met on May 20, 2006 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions

hey

I do believe there should be some etiquette on the internet and you defied it by calling me an idiot Trust me, I don't take it personally, but maybe you should comment on the Mets and not on me. I do apologize for calling you a moron.

It's only a game

by elifriedman on May 20, 2006 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions

OK I take it back.

YOU are not an idiot. However, to say that the result of the game is meaningless is IDIOTIC. Better?

by Mr. Met on May 20, 2006 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions

I could have phrased it better

The result of the game was not meaningless, but it is secondary to the long-term effects that it has on the trust that fans should have re Wagner

It's only a game

by elifriedman on May 20, 2006 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions

I don't think earning your "trust"

is something he gets bonused for in his contract.

by Mr. Met on May 20, 2006 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions

Well that blew

Mr. Regret: Billy Wagner. Get surgery or stop sucking shit.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on May 20, 2006 5:02 PM EDT reply actions

Surgery?

the guy needs a shrink

It's only a game

by elifriedman on May 20, 2006 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions

3 straight k's

I thought I was watching the '95 Mets for a second there. This makes me sick. We beat Randy Johnson with our 8th starter and lose the game Pedro pitches yet again.

by chiefbrody75 on May 20, 2006 5:04 PM EDT reply actions

Baseball's like that.

There are no guarantees. That's why it's weak-minded and stupid to piss and moan over every damn thing. Just enjoy the game for what it is and when something goes wrong, you gotta shake it off and go get 'em next time.

by Mr. Met on May 20, 2006 5:05 PM EDT reply actions

thanks for the platitudes Mlets Rule

i thought one of the reasons for this site was to piss and moan. Excuse me, I'm gonna go shake it off now.

It's only a game

by elifriedman on May 20, 2006 5:08 PM EDT reply actions

Good for you.

But remember, more than two shakes and you're just playing with yourself.

by Mr. Met on May 20, 2006 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions

thanks, I'll remember that

It's only a game

by elifriedman on May 20, 2006 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions

thanks,

I'll remember that

It's only a game

by elifriedman on May 20, 2006 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions

bottom line

4 blown saves in less than 1/3 of a season is unacceptable. Sure, he can turn it around and not blow a save for the rest of the season, but this one can stick in your craw for a long time. It's the Benitez problem all over again.

It's only a game

by elifriedman on May 20, 2006 5:11 PM EDT reply actions

I don't think Wagner gets a blown save

since it wasn't a save opportunity when he came in. But it is a big time blown lead. In the time of Looper, his problem was he couldn't save one run games. He never really blew the big leads. That's why he had the inflated save numbers. He had no trouble in 5-2 games.

by chiefbrody75 on May 20, 2006 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions

Feliciano

gets the blown save.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on May 20, 2006 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions

Thoughts

We dominated this game.
Wagner was terrible.
I question bringing Wagner in there. Bochy used to do it ALL the time with Hoffman, and Hoffman would always give up runs. Hoffman does not do well when the game is out of reach, and neither it seems, did Wagner.
He had no control.
He either needs to have surgery, or learn to deal with the pain. He can't keep blowing these things.
How badly does Pedro want to punch Wagner in the nuts right now?

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on May 20, 2006 5:17 PM EDT reply actions

Pedro must be throwing chairs in the clubhouse

He's got to be thinking, "What do I have to do to get a win here?" He's become this years' Tom Glavine. Glavine should have won 20 last year.

I did say bring Julio in to start the ninth before it began. Maybe I could be manager.

by chiefbrody75 on May 20, 2006 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions

After years of living in SD

I've become conditioned to hate closers coming in non-save situations.

At least the game must be tied or a big-game situation...no runners on...up by 4...adrenaline hard to come by.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on May 20, 2006 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions

I don't get it

How come the adrenaline didn't start to flow when the tying runs were on base. Your argument makes no sense. Any major league pitcher has to get three outs before 4 runs score in one inning.

It's only a game

by elifriedman on May 20, 2006 7:12 PM EDT reply actions