Open Thread - Game 82: Mets vs Pirates (07/03/2006) on SNY

something about the "2nd baseman in the booth second guessing". I was in the kitchen with my back turned to the TV and SNY sound quality on my cable system quite frankly sucks, so I might have misheard.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on Jul 3, 2006 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions

that was the gist...

Gary and Ron pointing out that Willie most likely didn't pull Soler for Oliver b/c the plan was for Oliver to start tonight. Ron said that Morgan made it worse by the constant short-sighted second guessing by Morgan.

by big shea on Jul 3, 2006 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions

Maine actually up to 58

pitches through 3, despite only giving up 1 hit. Seems like these Pirates have fouled off a lot of pitches, and Maine has gotten into a few too many deep counts. Still, good job so far. Hopefully he can have a quick inning here.

by Max in NJ on Jul 3, 2006 8:08 PM EDT reply actions

he needs a put away pitch

he gets ahead but he doesn't have that killer pitch to end ab. Still he proves Tom Seaver right, most important pitch in baseball is strike 1.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on Jul 3, 2006 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions

Well that high fast ball

to bay was nice

by chico on Jul 3, 2006 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions

yeah it was

it was only 91 on the gun though

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on Jul 3, 2006 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions

Maine looking good so far

But it is the Pirates and not some other AL Powerhouse

at least Maine is attacking the hitters

by chico on Jul 3, 2006 8:10 PM EDT reply actions

I missed Maine's first start

And this is only the Pirates, but this is very encouraging so far.

The nye Mets are my favorite squadron.

by LAwman on Jul 3, 2006 8:11 PM EDT reply actions

seems that Gary loved PayRod

celebration last night

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on Jul 3, 2006 8:34 PM EDT reply actions

Very hot and humid out there,

Maine looks like he's out of gas.

by Max in NJ on Jul 3, 2006 8:35 PM EDT reply actions

I really did post that

before Ron said the same thing. ;)

by Max in NJ on Jul 3, 2006 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions

meltdown inning

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on Jul 3, 2006 8:39 PM EDT reply actions

so sorry you changed your name

One time, I wanted to say "good night Jonboy."

end the madness.stop the war

by elifriedman on Jul 3, 2006 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions

decent effort

by Maine, but a young fellow like that should be able to go five innings

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by elifriedman on Jul 3, 2006 8:46 PM EDT reply actions

he was in norfolk

yesterday morning

Pedro offers you his protection.

by pj on Jul 3, 2006 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions

exactly

he was like the kid who is learning to ride a bike does it for a while, realizes he doing and promptly falls. A lot of promise though

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on Jul 3, 2006 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions

Excellent analogy

Yeah, he showed a lot of promise.

by Max in NJ on Jul 3, 2006 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions

one of few Mets starters

who breaks 90 mph

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by elifriedman on Jul 3, 2006 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions

In Maine's defense, I think

Willie should have gotten Oliver up earlier. Maine had no choice but to keep on pitching even though he had nothing left.

by Max in NJ on Jul 3, 2006 8:46 PM EDT reply actions

But yeah, I agree with Eli above

i.e. that Maine (or any starter) needs to be able to give us 5 innings at least. I didn't expect more than that out of him tonight. He gave us 4 2/3. At least he didn't give up a grand slam.

by Max in NJ on Jul 3, 2006 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions

That sounds too harsh on

the kid. Actually I wasn't disappointed in his outing.

by Max in NJ on Jul 3, 2006 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions

Ok Wright let's go

against lefty

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by elifriedman on Jul 3, 2006 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions

two nights in a row

DW comes up in a big spot vs. lefty and doesn't git'r done. Strange....

Pedro offers you his protection.

by pj on Jul 3, 2006 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions

maybe

his hit count is too high

end the madness.stop the war

by elifriedman on Jul 3, 2006 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions

yeah

bring in woodward!

Pedro offers you his protection.

by pj on Jul 3, 2006 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions

he actually not this this man

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on Jul 3, 2006 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions

not Maine's fault

that pitchers aren't groomed to go deep into games and that's too bad.

end the madness.stop the war

by elifriedman on Jul 3, 2006 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions

he threw a ton of pitches

100+

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on Jul 3, 2006 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions

that's what I mean

they emphasize pitch count early in career. Don't know if they have done studies that too many pitches causes arm problems, but guys who pitched when I was kid, Marichal, Drysdale, Gibson and Seaver threw 2o plus complete games a year. Don't remember too many guys destroying their arms pitching complete games or on three days rest. Don't think anatomy has changed in the last 30 years.

end the madness.stop the war

by elifriedman on Jul 3, 2006 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions

Denny McLean, Mark Fidrich

come to mind. Pitch counts are protecting the investment you make in young pitchers, which now is in the millions of dollars.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on Jul 3, 2006 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions

Denny McClain

drank and caroused himself out of baseball, not a victim of arm problem. Hard to know if Fidrych's sad demise resulted from pitching too many innings. Forgot to mention Nolan Ryan on last post.

It is intuitive that throwing too many innings will cause arm problems,but I'm not convinced it is true. I loved seeing shutouts and complete games and not crazy about seeing mediocore middle relievers

end the madness.stop the war

by elifriedman on Jul 3, 2006 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions

McLean

lifestyle was A-OK before he got hurt and he did get hurt. And it is intuitive that more pitches = more strain on the arm. Some guys can handle a lot of it others can't. Where would Pedro be if there weren't pitched counts, probably getting tommy john

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on Jul 3, 2006 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions

We will have to agree to disagree

on this one. Think it's a function of our age difference.

end the madness.stop the war

by elifriedman on Jul 3, 2006 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions

yeah

they are groomed to pitch into their 40's instead.

different ballgame nowadays not necessarily worse just because pitchers don't go 8-9 innings.

Pedro offers you his protection.

by pj on Jul 3, 2006 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions

nice play cliff

not picking up Jack Wilson hit, not so nice

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on Jul 3, 2006 9:03 PM EDT reply actions

runs please n/t

Pedro offers you his protection.

by pj on Jul 3, 2006 9:03 PM EDT reply actions

Not crazy about Nady

when he doesn't have a cracked bone in his wrist. Wonder how he can hit for power with that type of injury

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by elifriedman on Jul 3, 2006 9:12 PM EDT reply actions

it appears

to be affecting his defense too

Pedro offers you his protection.

by pj on Jul 3, 2006 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions

what defense

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by elifriedman on Jul 3, 2006 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions

is everybody on summer vacation

no energy over here. over at Metsgeek they're in a frenzied panic and full of vitriol. Everybody is in a mellow summer mood on AmazinAvenue. this game is pretty mellow and a bit lethargic

end the madness.stop the war

by elifriedman on Jul 3, 2006 9:17 PM EDT reply actions

Joe Randa ...

Always a thorn in our sides, it seems.

by Max in NJ on Jul 3, 2006 9:20 PM EDT reply actions

i feel sick

giving up on this one. Our pitching worries me greatly now.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on Jul 3, 2006 9:25 PM EDT reply actions

somebody tell the mets

that the pirates play in the nl!

Pedro offers you his protection.

by pj on Jul 3, 2006 9:26 PM EDT reply actions

What is Reyes doing

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on Jul 3, 2006 9:31 PM EDT reply actions

Yeah, it looked like he froze ...

Cliff could have been hurt on that play. Weird that Reyes didn't go for that ball. Mets just not playing well in this game at all.

by Max in NJ on Jul 3, 2006 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions

There ain't much to say

The team is mailing it in right now, and we hope to come back from the break with some more focus and energy.

by peeder on Jul 3, 2006 9:32 PM EDT reply actions

They have seven more games

to play after this one. I hope they regain some focus and energy before the AS break.

by Max in NJ on Jul 3, 2006 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions

good night everyone

just to get juices flowing I am proud to inform you that all-star Kazmir has shutout through 8 with 9Ks against the weak hitting Red Sox. Not only isn't he pitching for Mets but he helps Yanks by killing Boston.

end the madness.stop the war

by elifriedman on Jul 3, 2006 9:32 PM EDT reply actions

Yeah, I saw, he 2-hit the Sox.

Good for him.

by Max in NJ on Jul 3, 2006 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions

Although we have failed to score

with RISP over and over in this game, I think it's tough for the hitters when the pitchers put them in such a hole, especially late in the game. Bradford has done well for us, but he didn't have it tonight. And it's tough on the bullpen when we have starting pitching problems. I don't think we can solve our starting pitching problems from within. I don't know who Omar could get ... but as DocMet16 said, I'm now officially worried about our pitching.

by Max in NJ on Jul 3, 2006 9:46 PM EDT reply actions

well I didn't go to sleep yet

unfortunately, there aint nobody out there worth trading for if not Zito, Schmidt or Willis and they aren't available. I say bring up Pelfrey and keep your fingers crossed. No easy answers-nobody has pitching so nobody wants to give it up

end the madness.stop the war

by elifriedman on Jul 3, 2006 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions

I thought the Home Run Derby was next week

Is Feliciano going to be Wright's preferred pitcher?

by peeder on Jul 3, 2006 9:47 PM EDT reply actions

the obnoxious Michael Kay

just mentioned how Scott Kazmir is just the pitcher the Mets are looking for. Ok Mike would you agree that Jose Contrares is a pitcher the Yankees might be looking for

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by elifriedman on Jul 3, 2006 10:02 PM EDT reply actions