Open Thread - Game 105: Mets vs Marlins (08/01/2006) on SNY

by kingcritical on Aug 1, 2006 4:32 PM EDT

The Mets try to make it five in a row, facing the Fish for the first of three.

Let's go Mets!

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Let me first say...........

Thank God Sanchez is alright....

Second, I hope These trades work out for us...

Third, I Wish NADY the Best

Forth, I posted first...wow....first time

by chico on Aug 1, 2006 5:58 PM EDT reply actions

Sanchez

Is there an update on his condition, i.e., not out for an extended period, or do you mean that he wasn't injured worse?

by OronosFemur on Aug 1, 2006 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions

"All right" meaning alive

He's officially out for the season.

"He even tried to pimp it," Floyd said. "He's got no pimp." Said Wright: "I don't even know what that means."

by Billy Everyteen on Aug 1, 2006 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions

Thanks

That's what I thought.

by OronosFemur on Aug 1, 2006 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions

as though it wasn't the Sanchez injury that kept the Mets from picking up a starting pitcher. Over at SI, John Heyman says that the Mets were fully prepared to pull the trigger on either one of a deal for Schmidt or for Oswalt, but their potential partners balked at the last minute.

That confirms what I've been seeing elsewhere - and, particularly interestingly, that it was Peter Angelos' inexplicable last-minute refusal to deal Tejada that bunged up the Oswalt deal.

So maybe not everything can be blamed on that stupid drunk in Miami.

We should still totally kick his ass, though.

"He even tried to pimp it," Floyd said. "He's got no pimp." Said Wright: "I don't even know what that means."

by Billy Everyteen on Aug 1, 2006 6:29 PM EDT reply actions

One Thing i dont know???

Was it His pitching shoulder??

by chico on Aug 1, 2006 7:10 PM EDT reply actions

yes, his right shoulder

http://losangeles.dodgers.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060801&content_id=1587873&am p;vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on Aug 1, 2006 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions

Hope Reyes is OK

but damn...he couda coasted home....and he was sprinting

by chico on Aug 1, 2006 7:15 PM EDT reply actions

Pelfrey.....

first batter K'd

by chico on Aug 1, 2006 7:22 PM EDT reply actions

and here we have

exhibit A in favor of Xavier Nady's defense. He's not making rookie mistakes like that ball Milledge let fall anymore. The difference is Milledge will get better.

by anonymous on Aug 1, 2006 7:26 PM EDT reply actions

Lastings' Defense

I expect by October that he'll be an upgrade over what we got from Nady, but man does he seem to have problems focusing in the field at this point.

The nye Mets are my favorite squadron.

by LAwman on Aug 1, 2006 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions

Was NADY in that field???

oh Milledge missed that meat ball

by chico on Aug 1, 2006 7:26 PM EDT reply actions

Milledge woulda had that

but there was some interesting writing on his mitt that he hadn't noticed before.

"The Mets with the bases loaded: Chavez, great speed, Reyes, great speed, Lo Duca, good guy."

by Mr. Met on Aug 1, 2006 7:28 PM EDT reply actions

I wonder what prompted Willie

to drop Cliff behind Stache. I mean, I know Stache has been hitting better average-wise but Cliff is just getting hot and has a lot more power.

"The Mets with the bases loaded: Chavez, great speed, Reyes, great speed, Lo Duca, good guy."

by Mr. Met on Aug 1, 2006 7:31 PM EDT reply actions

Facing a lefty

Floyd doesn't dig the lefties.

The nye Mets are my favorite squadron.

by LAwman on Aug 1, 2006 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions

To add insult to injury

X-man has to face the Braves again today. I hope he vents his wrath upon them. Poor guy.

"The Mets with the bases loaded: Chavez, great speed, Reyes, great speed, Lo Duca, good guy."

by Mr. Met on Aug 1, 2006 7:39 PM EDT reply actions

Makes you wonder

If anyone has played more than six straight regular season games against the same opponent.

The nye Mets are my favorite squadron.

by LAwman on Aug 1, 2006 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions

No X in the line-up

by IanB in MD on Aug 1, 2006 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions

According to Gameday he is.

And playing 1B at that.

"The Mets with the bases loaded: Chavez, great speed, Reyes, great speed, Lo Duca, good guy."

by Mr. Met on Aug 1, 2006 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions

really?

Howie and Tom on WFAN just said Nady was starting at first base for the Pirates.

by anonymous on Aug 1, 2006 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions

Alls I know is what I see on Gamecast

And it has no Nady. LaRoche is listed as being at first. Francoeur in RF.

by IanB in MD on Aug 1, 2006 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions

That's because

He was traded to Pittsburgh.

The nye Mets are my favorite squadron.

by LAwman on Aug 1, 2006 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions

Actually it's because those guys

play for the Braves. Or France. Nady plays for the Pirates now. The Pirates.

"The Mets with the bases loaded: Chavez, great speed, Reyes, great speed, Lo Duca, good guy."

by Mr. Met on Aug 1, 2006 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions

He didn't play on Saturday

But still, same opponent for six straight games (playing or on the bench) can't be too common.

The nye Mets are my favorite squadron.

by LAwman on Aug 1, 2006 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions

Jose, Jose, Jose, Jose!

by Max in NJ on Aug 1, 2006 7:43 PM EDT reply actions

Ho-Zay! Ho-Zay!

by IanB in MD on Aug 1, 2006 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions

That CF response was classic.

It reminded me of a nightmare I used to have when I played little league.

"The Mets with the bases loaded: Chavez, great speed, Reyes, great speed, Lo Duca, good guy."

by Mr. Met on Aug 1, 2006 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions

Beltran on the road!

This guy want to be Player of the Week twice!

by IanB in MD on Aug 1, 2006 7:50 PM EDT reply actions

Isn't that thing in Pelfrey's mouth

for his jaw? Or is it really something to keep him from sticking his tongue out?

by Max in NJ on Aug 1, 2006 7:54 PM EDT reply actions

OK, yeah, I just looked it up for myself

Pelfrey wears that mouth guard because he has a misaligned jaw from getting struck by a line drive a couple of years ago. Supposedly the mouth guard he wore in college protected his tongue, but he said he's always stuck it out unconsciously. I don't see the big deal. Well, I guess some people will be offended by anything, but sheesh.

by Max in NJ on Aug 1, 2006 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions

Ok

I missed it but how did Beltran get thrown out at third and Reyes end up at third in the first?

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on Aug 1, 2006 8:01 PM EDT reply actions

Beltran hit a would be triple

Reyes was on first. He slipped rounding third and fell, forcing him to retreat to third. Meanwhile Beltran had rounded second on the assumption that Reyes would score. Throw was cutoff and relayed to second where Beltran was hung up.

The nye Mets are my favorite squadron.

by LAwman on Aug 1, 2006 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions

Mike Pelfrey

Mouth Piece Dayu at SHEA....cant wait

by chico on Aug 1, 2006 8:14 PM EDT reply actions

Sounds great.

As long as they just give out replicas.

"The Mets with the bases loaded: Chavez, great speed, Reyes, great speed, Lo Duca, good guy."

by Mr. Met on Aug 1, 2006 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions

Wow, that all happened fast.

by Max in NJ on Aug 1, 2006 8:21 PM EDT reply actions

Well, at least Pelfrey didn't give up the lead.

by Max in NJ on Aug 1, 2006 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions

Yikes

Boy needs some seasoning at AAA. Screw this 6 man rotation nonsense.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on Aug 1, 2006 8:21 PM EDT reply actions

All reports I've seen/heard

say this 6-man rotation will just be a one-time thing, and then they'll make a decision.

by Max in NJ on Aug 1, 2006 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions

Pelfrey's pitching himself out of the rotation.

Can't be givin' up doubles to the opposing pitcher to tie the game up.

"The Mets with the bases loaded: Chavez, great speed, Reyes, great speed, Lo Duca, good guy."

by Mr. Met on Aug 1, 2006 8:22 PM EDT reply actions

Pelfrey is good but...

he loses focus quickely....he'll grow out of it

by chico on Aug 1, 2006 8:22 PM EDT reply actions

they time his heater second time around better

then he tries to throw a lot of offspeed pitches

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on Aug 1, 2006 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions

Mets an Marlins tied

with the best record since May 22....percentage wise.....we have 1 more win and loss

by chico on Aug 1, 2006 8:25 PM EDT reply actions

you know pitchers are afraid

you get 3-2 changeups and sliders with Delgado on deck

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on Aug 1, 2006 8:34 PM EDT reply actions

even without x

this is not a good lineup to hand out free passes to.

Mr Koufax, don't you think Flanders is a big jerk?

by peteyfan45 @ Amazin' Avenue on Aug 1, 2006 8:34 PM EDT reply actions

Wow

That "K" of Delgado wasn't anywhere close to the strike zone.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on Aug 1, 2006 8:38 PM EDT reply actions

And then he gets a friendly

1st strike against D-Dub...

"The Mets with the bases loaded: Chavez, great speed, Reyes, great speed, Lo Duca, good guy."

by Mr. Met on Aug 1, 2006 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions

WOW

why dont we get performances like that from OUR rookies?

by chico on Aug 1, 2006 8:40 PM EDT reply actions

have you seen John Maine?

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on Aug 1, 2006 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions

Ur right....

the call on Delgado was Borderline....but wright hasnt been clutch as he uased to be early in the season.....the last couple of games i think i seen him get 2 hits?....it looks like he's pressing

by chico on Aug 1, 2006 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions

he's s human

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on Aug 1, 2006 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions

wow is right

the Marlins are going to be pretty bad-ass maybe as soon as next year, if their rookies continue to develop like this.

Mr Koufax, don't you think Flanders is a big jerk?

by peteyfan45 @ Amazin' Avenue on Aug 1, 2006 8:42 PM EDT reply actions

9 SO for Olsen.....

only good is that he's on my Fantasy Team

by chico on Aug 1, 2006 8:48 PM EDT reply actions

10 K's

update

by chico on Aug 1, 2006 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah, the Marlins did a nice job

loading up on young players with talent. I still feel bad about losing Mike Jacobs to them. I guess Petit and Gaby Hernandez haven't worked out so well.

"The Mets with the bases loaded: Chavez, great speed, Reyes, great speed, Lo Duca, good guy."

by Mr. Met on Aug 1, 2006 8:48 PM EDT reply actions

Not yet anywayz

seller beware...lol

by chico on Aug 1, 2006 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions

Olsen is in a Groove

dammit....cmon Milo

by chico on Aug 1, 2006 8:48 PM EDT reply actions

At first i thought milo learned the Strike Zone

but he's batting 8th

by chico on Aug 1, 2006 8:50 PM EDT reply actions

Did Olsen

start out like Pelfrey in the begginging of the year....erratic

by chico on Aug 1, 2006 8:56 PM EDT reply actions

he was up last year for the last couple months

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on Aug 1, 2006 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions

Thats wat im talking bout

Nice K on OLIVO

by chico on Aug 1, 2006 8:59 PM EDT reply actions

3 fastballs

for the K. Nice work by Pelfrey; now he needs to finish the job.

Mr Koufax, don't you think Flanders is a big jerk?

by peteyfan45 @ Amazin' Avenue on Aug 1, 2006 9:00 PM EDT reply actions

Here's a meta question for you:

Are you ready to root for the Phillies to beat the Cardinals?

"The Mets with the bases loaded: Chavez, great speed, Reyes, great speed, Lo Duca, good guy."

by Mr. Met on Aug 1, 2006 9:00 PM EDT reply actions

why?

because of Jorge Sosa?

by chico on Aug 1, 2006 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions

yeah

the Phillies raised the white flag already. Want home field through the NL playoffs.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on Aug 1, 2006 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions

Oh yeah

Home Field ADV....Beltran better get cooking at home if that happens

by chico on Aug 1, 2006 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions

Great strikeout by Pelfry

But the walk wasn't pretty. Now let's see if he can finish the job.

Ya gotta believe, baby... BELIEVE!

by FlakyLefty45 on Aug 1, 2006 9:02 PM EDT reply actions

No Jacket

for the "Jacket"

by chico on Aug 1, 2006 9:02 PM EDT reply actions

Pelfrey with the Olsen imitation....

but it wasnt the Heart of the Order, but i'll take it

by chico on Aug 1, 2006 9:04 PM EDT reply actions

mary kate or ashley?

Pedro offers you his protection.

by pj on Aug 1, 2006 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions

nice

great job by the kid, and great job by Willie to leave him in like that.

Mr Koufax, don't you think Flanders is a big jerk?

by peteyfan45 @ Amazin' Avenue on Aug 1, 2006 9:05 PM EDT reply actions

96...96...96...95...

Helluvan effort there. Kid reached back for some good pitches.

Ya gotta believe, baby... BELIEVE!

by FlakyLefty45 on Aug 1, 2006 9:05 PM EDT reply actions

a couple of the pitches are straight unhittable

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on Aug 1, 2006 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah, and the strikeout before it was dominant...

Nasty stuff breaking down and in. He could be scary if he can command that stuff.

Ya gotta believe, baby... BELIEVE!

by FlakyLefty45 on Aug 1, 2006 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions

33 Game hit streak for Utley

amazing

by chico on Aug 1, 2006 9:08 PM EDT reply actions

YES

MR RBI REYES

by chico on Aug 1, 2006 9:09 PM EDT reply actions

Ho-Zay, Ho-Zay, Hoooooo-Zay

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on Aug 1, 2006 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions

on other sites

people are rehasing the stupid "Lastings is troublemaker" thing. This shit is pissing me off to no end.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on Aug 1, 2006 9:09 PM EDT reply actions

Which one

Metsblog? Mikes Mets? etc... etc...

I wonder why? because he missed a fly ball today?

Honest truth, if he got traded i wouldnt have been upset, unless it was a very poor trade...

by chico on Aug 1, 2006 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions

MetsGeek and MetsBlog

if he was traded for Zito or Oswalt I would have been cool. But this troublemaker thing is crap and its not even about the fly balls, their bringing up the stuff from when he got drafted.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on Aug 1, 2006 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions

queue up the chants

for Reyes.

Mr Koufax, don't you think Flanders is a big jerk?

by peteyfan45 @ Amazin' Avenue on Aug 1, 2006 9:09 PM EDT reply actions

Pelfrey's last walk was the play of the game...

... it made them pinch-hit for Olsen! LOL

Gooooo, Jose!

Ya gotta believe, baby... BELIEVE!

by FlakyLefty45 on Aug 1, 2006 9:10 PM EDT reply actions

I Think Olsen was comming out anywayz

but true nonetheless

by chico on Aug 1, 2006 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions

Probably right...

... but it sounded good...

Ya gotta believe, baby... BELIEVE!

by FlakyLefty45 on Aug 1, 2006 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions

Cmon David...do sumthin

anything good

by chico on Aug 1, 2006 9:14 PM EDT reply actions

Slumping Bad....

iy hurts me to see david struggling

by chico on Aug 1, 2006 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions

At Least

his play in the field is doin good still

by chico on Aug 1, 2006 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions

It's all good...

... remember, the key is that while some cool off, others get hot. D-dub more than picked up the slack while Delgado was in the tank. Now he's coming around and Wright's cooled a bit. That's actually not a bad formula, imo.

Ya gotta believe, baby... BELIEVE!

by FlakyLefty45 on Aug 1, 2006 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions

I guess

the K's are what are worrying me..

by chico on Aug 1, 2006 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions

3 Walks for milo

today.....he can be our Bobby Abreu......LOL

by chico on Aug 1, 2006 9:29 PM EDT reply actions

Damn

Gramps

by chico on Aug 1, 2006 9:33 PM EDT reply actions

Willie got smart

Endy in right for Defense

by chico on Aug 1, 2006 9:35 PM EDT reply actions

lastings got spike on the double play ball

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on Aug 1, 2006 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions

I saw that too

...

by chico on Aug 1, 2006 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions

Cmon Billy

Git r Dunn

by chico on Aug 1, 2006 9:49 PM EDT reply actions

I hope you learned your lesson.

Never ever EVER say Git r Done again, unless it's to ridicule those who do.

"The Mets with the bases loaded: Chavez, great speed, Reyes, great speed, Lo Duca, good guy."

by Mr. Met on Aug 1, 2006 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions

William Edward Wagner

lets do it....hahha

by chico on Aug 1, 2006 9:49 PM EDT reply actions

Olivo

and his first pitch hitting

by chico on Aug 1, 2006 9:50 PM EDT reply actions

Im Glad

Big Papi is not up...lol

by chico on Aug 1, 2006 9:52 PM EDT reply actions

ouch.

I am beginning to see why people think the Marlins deserve to be taken seriously.

by anonymous on Aug 1, 2006 9:52 PM EDT reply actions

OMG

might as well be Big Papi shit

by chico on Aug 1, 2006 9:52 PM EDT reply actions

2 pitches

game over marlins

by chico on Aug 1, 2006 9:53 PM EDT reply actions

Who. Are. These. Guys?

Ya gotta believe, baby... BELIEVE!

by FlakyLefty45 on Aug 1, 2006 9:53 PM EDT reply actions

Not the way to begin the post-Sanchez era.

"The Mets with the bases loaded: Chavez, great speed, Reyes, great speed, Lo Duca, good guy."

by Mr. Met on Aug 1, 2006 9:55 PM EDT reply actions

It's not losing Sanchez

Wags had not blown one in a while. Heils and Bradford were fine. It totally sucks, but I'm more concerned with Pelfrey's seven hits and four walks.

by IanB in MD on Aug 1, 2006 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions

billy looper strikes again

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on Aug 1, 2006 10:04 PM EDT reply actions

He's been doing pretty well lately.

His last blown save was quite a while ago, I think. I'll bet you he's a little weirded out that Duaner got hurt. Not that it's an excuse, I'm just guessing. He'll be ok.

"The Mets with the bases loaded: Chavez, great speed, Reyes, great speed, Lo Duca, good guy."

by Mr. Met on Aug 1, 2006 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions

yeah i know

but it sucks when you lose like that

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on Aug 1, 2006 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions

No Doubt.

But that's the beauty of having such a large lead. I was sad when I saw the ball off the guy's bat, but I was over it by the time he crossed home plate.

"The Mets with the bases loaded: Chavez, great speed, Reyes, great speed, Lo Duca, good guy."

by Mr. Met on Aug 1, 2006 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions

He's already blown how many?

Mlb.com said 5, but I was sure he already had 5 blown saves coming into tonight.

Regardless, a pathetic display by Billy Wagner.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on Aug 1, 2006 10:13 PM EDT reply actions

not real crazy about Wagner

but he has been solid lately. a bit disturbing that he lost the game on three piches-reminded me of Looper on Opening Day 2005. It's pretty tough getting up for these games with such a big lead then turn it up for the playoffs.

I heard that Milledge turned his back on Willie in dugout when he tried to talk to him. I really hate that armor he wears on his elbow. Did show great discipline with the 3 walks, but his attitude is a bit disconcerting. Also disconcerted some bloggers have been accusing people who question Lastings attitude of being racist. That is pure bullshit.

end the madness.stop the war

by elifriedman on Aug 1, 2006 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions

What is the big deal with the armor?

Geez, I heard those Florida announcers pissing and moaning about that too. If the guy can still hit and can protect himself from getting hurt, what's wrong with that? I wish they would all wear it, if it doesn't affect their swings. And why should only veterans be permitted to wear it? Give me a break. People get ALL worked up over the slightest little things. If it was me up there I'd be wearing a full suit of the stuff, like I was getting ready for a joust or something.

"The Mets with the bases loaded: Chavez, great speed, Reyes, great speed, Lo Duca, good guy."

by Mr. Met on Aug 1, 2006 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions

Milo

As a an African-American I am starting to wonder about Milo's treatment. I won't go as far to say all of is race related, but I think its a factor in how he perceived. Its seems that people are comparing to him Straw and Doc and he has never had a drug issue of anykind. Also, people are still talking about some bullshit that happened when he was 16 years old, that he was never even charged with a crime for. As for the stuff with Willie, it looked like Milo was just walking in the dugout with while talking to Willie. He had to prepare to hit in the bottom of the second as he was due up third. I didn't get the impression that Willie felt shown up, he could have just confronted him or pull him from the game. Everything is blown up with this kid, he won't be the first kid to think he rules the world at 21, Jason Isringhausen did simaler stuff when he came up at that age and nobody said a word that I can remember. I can't help to wonder that people would just be laughing this shit off under different circumstances, instead of blowing it up like this.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on Aug 1, 2006 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions

Doc

I'm sensitive to your sensitivity, but don't see this as a race issue. Hell, Kazmir was traded in part because of his supposedly bad attitude and he is White and Benson was jettisoned because of his White wife's attitude. I don't think they should trade the kid because of this (see Kevin Mitchell), but it's something that should be watched by Willie

end the madness.stop the war

by elifriedman on Aug 1, 2006 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions

Kazmir /Benson

was traded because the team had a certain members of the team, with over inflated egos(Franco, Leiter) problem with his attitude and the Wilpon/Duquette defered to their bullshit point of view, a place we haven't gottem with Milledge yet. Benson was traded because his wife, was trashing members of the team in print for their political stands creating a potential problem in the clubhouse. I haven't heard word on about LM causing clubhouse problems.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on Aug 1, 2006 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions

you missed my point

you analogized to Izzy's behavior not being questioned in the context of a racial double-standard. I was pointing out that White players also have their attitudes questioned. I forgot about Shane Spencer who was banished from the team for alcoholism.

end the madness.stop the war

by elifriedman on Aug 1, 2006 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions

and you missed mine

my point is that Benson and Kazmir issues, rightly or wrongly caused issues with their teammates, something that hasn't happened with Milledge. But people aren't even even waiting for the team to have a problem with LM, their already bitching about his attitude. Shane Spencer got banished because he drove drunk on a rehab assignment, for an injury he sustained in a bar, he committed a crime, something that Milo hasn't done.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on Aug 2, 2006 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions

it's baseball Mr. Met

not football. It gives the hitter an unfair advantage over the pitcher. Maybe tomorrow Lastings will be wearing a face mask and it will be ok with you

end the madness.stop the war

by elifriedman on Aug 1, 2006 10:48 PM EDT reply actions

he may have been hit there

that why he was allowed to wear it. You're allowed to wear that if you're have an injury in that spot, ie Doctor notes.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on Aug 1, 2006 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions

If it helps his game, sure.

He could be the Richard Hamilton of the majors. What, are you hoping he gets hurt or something? Maybe he shouldn't wear a jock either.

"The Mets with the bases loaded: Chavez, great speed, Reyes, great speed, Lo Duca, good guy."

by Mr. Met on Aug 1, 2006 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm trying to be objective

it's moronic for you to say that I want him to get hurt. I'm sure you didn't feel this way when Barry Bonds wears his equipment. In fact, wearing that crap on your arm probably gives you a false sense of security, making you crowd the plate and get hit with more pitches. Floyd wears it and he gets hit in all other parts of his body. It would be refreshing to hear you make a comment that is not sophmoric

end the madness.stop the war

by elifriedman on Aug 1, 2006 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions

You're the one who brought up the face mask

idea, there, Mr. Maturity.

"The Mets with the bases loaded: Chavez, great speed, Reyes, great speed, Lo Duca, good guy."

by Mr. Met on Aug 1, 2006 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions

If you're trying to suggest that NO players

should be allowed to wear protection, not just Milo, that's fine. It's a defensible point of view. I didn't hear you saying that, though, I just heard you being unrefreshingly critical of some random Met who ran afoul of your high standards in some fashion.

"The Mets with the bases loaded: Chavez, great speed, Reyes, great speed, Lo Duca, good guy."

by Mr. Met on Aug 1, 2006 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions

Well,

I am against all players wearing such protection and have said so on previous occasion. I thought that Lastings set of armor was particularly large and obnoxious. I accept the positon of Keith Hernandez, a former hitter, over yours on this. He certainly has more credibility.

end the madness.stop the war

by elifriedman on Aug 1, 2006 11:27 PM EDT reply actions

Sorry eli, my bad.

I'll be sure to research your personal history of everything you've ever said before I respond to one of your posts. I only heard the Florida announcers so I missed Keith, but yeah, I guess if Keith says something, it must be true. He'd never say something totally ridiculous based on some kind of troglodytic traditional overly machismo point of view.

"The Mets with the bases loaded: Chavez, great speed, Reyes, great speed, Lo Duca, good guy."

by Mr. Met on Aug 1, 2006 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions

you're wrong Mr. Met

My 14 year old daughter plays a mean game of softball and I have advised her not to wear elbow protectors when she bats. I'm not sexist on this point and you are the first to accuse me of being overly macho. I love "troglodytic." You must have done very well on the verbal section of the SATs.

end the madness.stop the war

by elifriedman on Aug 1, 2006 11:39 PM EDT reply actions

before this goes any further

I don't think Mr. Met was calling your attitude "overly macho," Eli. I'm pretty sure that's just a reference to Keith's rant about women in the dugout, which would fall under the category of ridiculous statements. He merely was trying to undercut your deference to Keith on the armor issue.

Body armor is a good argument, guys, but I think we can have it without resorting to personal attacks (intentional or otherwise). Not that I don't find it all very entertaining, haha.

by kingcritical on Aug 2, 2006 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions

And THAT

is why they call him the king.

Let's just agree to disagree on the body armor, issue, eli.

Milo needs to find his way, just like all immensely talented but socially awkward young people. Give him some slack, he'll be ok.

"The Mets with the bases loaded: Chavez, great speed, Reyes, great speed, Lo Duca, good guy."

by Mr. Met on Aug 2, 2006 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions

don't know if yuu're gonna read this

but my previous post described my respect for Lastings style and talent. I think he will be fine and my criticism of the body armor wasn't directly exclusively towards him. I do get the sense that Willie is a stickler regarding discipline and that Lastings presents a challenge for him.

end the madness.stop the war

by elifriedman on Aug 2, 2006 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions