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Jorge Sosa? Really?

News leaked late last week that the Mets were very close to signing blah right-handed pitcher Jorge Sosa. At the time I didn't really think much of it because I figured Omar Minaya would be signing him to a non-guaranteed minor league deal with the intention of bringing him to spring training and hope that he could be added to Minaya's growing list of "throw enough shit at the wall and some of it inevitably will stick" success stories (see: Darren Oliver circa 2006, Roberto Hernandez circa 2005).

Now most news sources are reporting that the Mets intend to sign Sosa to a major league contract worth $1.25 million. Even though the Mets are guaranteeing him that money, if he winds up pitching poorly they can always cut or trade him without having to wriggle their way out of an albatross contract.

But is Sosa any good? Historically, he certainly has not been. He owns a career ERA of 4.61 and strikeout-to-walk ratio of 5.81-to-4.23. He has also allowed 1.38 homeruns per game (nine innings) over the course of his career. Twice in five seasons he has posted homerun rates of less than one: in 2003 when it was 0.98 and in 2005, with the Braves, when it was 0.81 and his ERA was just 3.05, the best of his career by more than a run.

That 2005 season looks good on certain types of paper. His 13-3 record and solid ERA certainly *look* nice. Dig a little deeper and we see that his FIP that year was 4.53, almost a third of a run higher than the National League average of 4.22 (note: that average includes relievers, who generally have lower ERAs than starters, so Sosa's ERA relative to the league is a big misleading). He had an abnormally low (for him) homerun-per-flyball rate that season, which can be somewhat attributed to Turner Field. He'll be pitching at Shea this year, which is typically a tough park for right-handed flyball hitters, a good park for left-handed flyball hitters, and a slight pitcher's park overall.

Even though this is giving guaranteed money to a mediocre pitcher, the terms in both length and value of it make it far from prohibitive. I'm not sure where exactly he fits into the pitching staff's plans, though his history of pitching unspectacularly as both a starter and reliever make him more versatile than someone who was just mediocre at one or the other. The best spot for him may be as a long man/spot starter, though I was under the impression that they already had a bunch of those in guys like Dave Williams, etc.

If he can keep the ball in the park either by luck or by skill he can be at least reasonably effective, so long as Willie Randolph gives him the best opportunity to succeed. He has not been particularly effective against lefties the past three seasons, allowing a .282/.368/.519 line in 632 at-bats against southpaw-swingers. Barring injury, the Mets have plenty of one-inning-or-less guys in the bullpen in Billy Wagner, Aaron Heilman, Duaner Sanchez, Pedro Feliciano, et al, so unless the Mets plan on using him as a ROOGY, it's still not clear to me how they will get $1 million worth of baseball out of this guy.

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ROOGY
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?

by Funktual on Jan 15, 2007 12:44 PM EST reply actions  

ROOGY
Right-handed One Out GuY It's really a corollary to LOOGY, which is meant to describe a left-handed specialist who will typically come out of the 'pen to face one or two left-handed batters and then depart.

by Eric Simon on Jan 15, 2007 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I like this deal
I am actually quite pleased by this deal as a budget-friendly augmentation to the pitching staff.  Dave Williams is probably the best comparison, as Sosa will basically be taking his place as cheap starter insurance and an extra arm in the spring-training mix, and I think Sosa is better (or at least has better stuff and more potential promise) than Williams.  It's another Oliver Perez-like (or Oliver Perez-lite, more like) pickup of a pitcher with a live arm who still has some chance to be a very pleasant surprise under Peterson's tutelage.  The guaranteed money isn't such a big deal to me because of Sosa's ability to work in relief, which makes him more useful than another Dave Williams in the long run (say, if Heilman ends up in the rotation... I can hope, can't I?).  If he doesn't stick, it's not a prohibitive amount of money, but I think the reason he got it was primarily his versatility and secondarily his live arm.

by anonymous on Jan 15, 2007 1:08 PM EST reply actions  

I personally got excited to see Sosa
warming up for the Braves last year. It was "Open Up a Can of Whup-Ass" time.
Watch me paste this pathetic palooka with a powerful paralyzing perfect pachydermous percussion pitch.

by Mr. Met on Jan 15, 2007 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair point, I guess
But I think the Mets owned him not because of a problem with his stuff so much as a problem with location, pitch selection, and psychology.  With Sosa and Mota both potentially in the bullpen, the Mets ought to invest in a Spanish-speaking sports psychologist.  Or maybe just a big sign saying "Lay off the fastball once in a while, dumbass."

by anonymous on Jan 15, 2007 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

hahaha
The two of you guys have me laughing out loud at my desk here.  Keep it up!
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!

by kingcritical on Jan 16, 2007 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I know one person not happy about this signing....
Carlos Delgado.    Personally, i could give two shits either way.  Go for it, ya digg?
"Give the drummer some. Ive already gave the summer some, it's the winters turn" Jay Z

by erik from the bx on Jan 15, 2007 3:46 PM EST reply actions  

look who deigns to grace us with his presence
Where you been, son?
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!

by kingcritical on Jan 16, 2007 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

MySpace
Plus watching Jim Mora and Greg Knapp ruin my favorite player. I'll be around more in the next month or so.

And before you call somebody your "Son" make sure your spelling is correct.  

It's spelled "decides". Alright dad?

"Give the drummer some. Ive already gave the summer some, it's the winters turn" Jay Z

by erik from the bx on Jan 16, 2007 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

the decider
I decided to use the word deigns because it's funny...  Follow the link

Nice to see you back around here.

We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!

by kingcritical on Jan 17, 2007 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

MIssed it
I never REALLY left. I've been here for years, watchin my peeras and leavin suckers in fear.....

But thanks for the love homie

"Give the drummer some. Ive already gave the summer some, it's the winters turn" Jay Z

by erik from the bx on Jan 17, 2007 8:48 PM EST up reply actions  

One more can't hurt...
I agree he seems like more of a minor-league-deal kind of player, but I guess with the contracts some totally mediocre pitchers have gotten this off-season, "projects" get more money too.

He seems like another Oliver Perez...live arm..."stuff"...can't seem to consistently put it all together and turn it into wins.  Maybe Rick Peterson knows what to do with this guy.  If he turns out to be another Jose Lima they can cut him loose without too much damage. (Remember, Lima was a 20-game winner one year and I think had three good seasons in among the stinkers...obviously someone thought he might find his good self.  The Mets like to play the pitching project game and actually aren't bad at it overall.)

by erich11226 on Jan 16, 2007 1:33 PM EST reply actions  

I like this signing if ....
I really like this signing but only if Sosa end up in the bullpen and not a starter. I think the starters on the Mets should be Glavine, El Duque, Maine, Perez and hopefully Pelfrey or Vargas if he isnt ready. I also like Humber but think the Mets will keep him in the minors and get some more inning's before coming up but I think right now from what I read he has better stuff than Pelfrey. I would really like to see Pelfrey make it this spring training. The question is who doesnt make the team if Sosa is in the bullpen because your not gonna go with 7 guys and I think the 6 will be

Wagner
Heilmann
Sanchez
Schoenweis
Feliciano
Burgos

Mota will come back at some point and will rplace either Feliciano or Burgos or maybe a trade. Also once Pedro coems back more than likely if the bottom 3 guys are pitching well then El Duque goes to the BP. I think Maine will be the best pitcher out of the bottom 3 and has a chance to really step up and be one of our best and win 15 - 17 games for us possibly

by 1982metfan on Jan 16, 2007 1:46 PM EST reply actions  

a stupid signing
Omar keeps on stockpiling mediocore pitchers. They also gave Schoenweiss too much money. It's getting real crowded at the bottom. This upcoming season is beginning to worry me.
end the madness.stop the war

by elifriedman on Jan 16, 2007 8:56 PM EST reply actions  

Ah, eli. You just wouldn't be you if you weren't
worried about some upcoming thing.

What people need to understand about Peterson is that his genius, such as it is, is not so much related to arm angles and pitching mechanics as it is with psychological profiling.  He knows (allegedly) how to get guys to relax and pitch to their strengths.  Point being, he can do well with any number of head case pitchers as long as they have natural talent.

Watch me paste this pathetic palooka with a powerful paralyzing perfect pachydermous percussion pitch.

by Mr. Met on Jan 16, 2007 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't wait for spring training
I need to work on my worrying. I'm a little out of shape.  Haven't seen Peterson's IQ but he has hardly shown his genius just yet. He's good, but not close to perfect. I would rather him show his smarts on the young guys and not retreads like Sosa and Schoenweiss.
end the madness.stop the war

by elifriedman on Jan 16, 2007 11:20 PM EST reply actions  

Peterson a genius?
After the Zambrano debacle I thought that I would never again have to hear about the promise of a Peterson reclamation project.
   

by Shomov on Jan 16, 2007 11:42 PM EST reply actions  

Peterson really isn't bad overall...

Reclaiming pitchers is a game of numbers i.e. you have five "headcase" pitchers with some potential and if you can get two of them to have good seasons you've done OK.  The trick is to figure out which two early enough in the season...

Peterson had to eat his "I can fix this guy in 10 minutes" statement with Zambrano, but the thing that really screwed that deal is that Zambrano was apparently hurt and no one noticed until it was too late.

Still, I think the Mets learned from the experience:

(1) Not to trade anyone valuable for reclamation projects.

(2) Not to count on any specific pitcher of this type.

by erich11226 on Jan 17, 2007 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Ugh
I go away for 10 days and Omar does the one thing I had praised him for over the past two seasons: he gives a multiyear contract to a mediocre pitcher. Clearly Omar needs me in New York.

The Sosa deal I kinda get (but not really). You hope to catch lightning in a bottle, Darren Oliver-style. I would get it completely if it were a minor-league deal, and he might excel as a ROOGY. You never know. And 1.25 million can be cut.

Scott Schoenweiss does not, even in this market, deserve a three-year deal. It's not fair to compare him to Bradford since one is a LOOGY and the other a ROOGY, but there are several reasons why Bradford (despite not being worth his contract either) would have been a better buy for the Mets: age, recent and long-term track record, team needs, ability.

I have to say, this one feels like a panic move. And as much as you could say, "Hey, have faith in Omar, he's proven himself," I also have to say he's never doled out a contract like this before.

Sorry to put my thoughts on SS in the Sosa thread, but I'm tired.

by Alex Nelson on Jan 16, 2007 11:42 PM EST reply actions  

Omar
I think Omar has done a very nice job this offseason. I think the Mets have enough talent on their team to once again win the division. They have the most balanaced offense and the best bullpen in the NL East or National League. The starters arent getting any credit but I think we have 3 solid starters and then several guys where hopefully a couple can fill the last 2 spots and I think those 2 guys will be O.Perez and Pelfrey. Dont forget that Pedro will coem back also, we cant expect him to be lights out like he was a few years ago. But he should be very solid and move into the one of the top 2 spots in the rotation. I think the team we have now is good enough and im sure Omar will pull something at the All-Star Break to help us achieve the goal we all want ANOTHER WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP !  

by 1982metfan on Jan 17, 2007 9:06 AM EST reply actions  

Peterson's "tutelage"
It seems that with every crappy pitcher I hear the Mets have signed, there is the claim that he will almost certainly improve "under Rick Peterson's tutelage."  Is there any evidence of this?

These are not 16 year old kids.  They are grown men who have already attained major league competence of some sort.  There is a limit to how much can be done with them.

Re: 'fixing' pitchers: Isn't V. Zambrano supposed to come back some time this year too?

by JohnP on Jan 17, 2007 3:38 PM EST reply actions  

Victor Zambrano
Victor Zambrano is a free agent and free to sign with anyone else. Tampa Bay seems to be interested. I am not sure what type of deal he is trying to get but I would like sign him to an incentive type od deal, in hopes that we can see the real Zambrano free of arm problems.

by 1982metfan on Jan 17, 2007 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

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