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The Top 50 Mets of All Time: #41 Bobby Jones

Robert Joseph Jones (Bobby J.) was originally drafted out of Fresno High School (Tom Seaver's alma mater) by the Oakland Athletics in the 35th round (905th overall). He chose college over the A's, and was selected by the Mets as a first-rounder three years later in 1991. He was assigned to Columbia of the South Atlantic League and was dominant in limited action against mostly younger competition.
Year  Team         Lg   Age  Lvl   IP    ERA   H/9   BB/9  SO/9
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1991  Columbia     SAL   21  A     24.1  1.85  7.40  1.11 12.95
1992  Binghamton   East  22  AA   158.0  1.88  6.72  2.45  8.15
1993  Norfolk      IL    23  AAA  166.0  3.63  8.08  1.73  6.83
Jones advanced to Double-A Binghamton in 1992 and was fairly overpowering there as well. He struck out more than eight batters per game and walked fewer than two-and-a-half. Jones progressed naturally to Triple-A Norfolk in 1993 as a 23-year-old, where his walk rate improved but his strikeout rate began to dip. His earned run average almost doubled against tougher competition, but the Mets felt he had learned all he was going to in the minor leagues and called him up in the middle of August to replace the recently-disabled Bret Saberhagen.

Jones made his big league debut on August 14, 1993, and picked up a victory against the Phillies. He allowed seven hits and five runs (one earned) over six innings, but was supported by two homeruns and four runs batted in by second-baseman Tim Bogar. Jones started nine games in August and September, going 2-4 with a 3.65 ERA, including ten innings of shutout ball in his final start (Jones earned a no-decision but the Mets won 1-0 on an RBI double by Jeff Kent to drive in Eddie Murray).

Year  Age    IP   ERA    H   HR  BB   SO  ERA+  WARP3  SNLVAR
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1993   23   61.2  3.65   61   6  22   35  108    0.5     1.1
1994   24  160.0  3.15  157  10  56   80  133    4.4     3.7
1995   25  195.2  4.19  209  20  53  127  100    2.5     3.5
1996   26  195.2  4.42  219  26  46  116   89    3.1     4.0
1997   27  193.1  3.63  177  24  63  125  111    4.2     5.4
1998   28  195.1  4.05  192  23  53  115  103    3.6     4.1
1999   29   59.1  5.61   69   3  11   31   78    0.6     0.7
2000   30  154.2  5.06  171  25  49   85   86    1.9     3.3
Jones was very effective in 24 starts with the Mets in 1994, going 12-7 and sporting an ERA 33% better than the league. He averaged just one strikeout every two innings, but he kept his walk and homerun rates down and featured a 12-6 sloooow curve that kept opposing hitters off-balance. His season -- and everyone else's -- was cut short on August 12 as a result of the players' association strike that would eventually lead to the cancellation of the World Series. Jones's 3.15 ERA was good for seventh in the National League, and it might have been even better were it not for extremely pronounced home/road splits (4.25 ERA at Shea Stadium, 1.77 ERA on the road).
After making his first opening day start in 1995, Jones began a stretch of four seasons of remarkable consistency which saw him function effectively as a LAIM (League Average Innings Muncher). From 1995 until 1998, Jones started no fewer than 30 games in a season and no more than 31; he threw no fewer than 193.1 innings but no more than 195.2; he allowed no more than 26 homeruns but no fewer than 20; he recorded no more than 127 strikeouts but no fewer than 115; he walked no fewer than 46 batters but no more than 63. His earned run average ranged from a high of 4.42 (11% worse than the league) to a low of 3.3 (11% better than the league).

Jones began the 1999 season with three straight wins, allowing zero, one, and two runs respectively. He followed that up with three no-decisions, allowing three, five, and three runs respectively. Then things fell apart as he lost the subsequent three starts after allowing eight, seven, and five runs respectively, lasting just 2.2 innings in the latter. Jones complained after the game of having "dead arm" and said that his pitching shoulder had been bothering him for a few days. The injury was labeled "shoulder tendonitis", and Jones was expected to miss at least one start. Reality failed to converge with expectation, and Jones was placed on the disabled list a few days later with a right shoulder strain.

A week after hitting the disabled list, Jones underwent an MRI that revealed a strained rotator cuff, not shoulder tendonitis as was originally diagnosed. Expected to miss a couple of weeks, Jones eventually missed more than two-and-a-half months before returning for a rehab assignment in the second week of August. He made three starts at Double-A Binghamton and another two at Triple-A Norfolk before heading back to the big club in September. He made three relief appearances down the stretch but was ultimately left off of the Mets' postseason roster that year.

The bullpen work was just a blip, as Jones was assured by General Manager Steve Phillips that he would return to the rotation in 2000. After playing two games in the Tokyodome in Japan to begin the season the Mets returned home to play the Padres. Jones made the team's "real" opening day start and was battered around, allowing four runs and six hits in just 2.2 innings. He allowed seven more runs (six earned) over four innings in his next start and the head-scratching began in earnest. In his third start, Jones strained his calf muscle in the first inning and left without retiring a batter. He would land on the 15-day disabled list and make two rehab starts at Norfolk before rejoining the team a month later.

After eight starts Jones had an ERA of 10.19 and, seeing no other option, the Mets asked Jones to accept an assignment to Norfolk to work on some things. As a player with five years of big league experience, Jones had the right to refuse such an assignment. The Mets assured him that the demotion was just a tune-up and that after a couple of starts he would be back with the big club. Jones accepted the assignment, made two minor league starts, and returned a little more than a week later. Jones went 10-4 the rest of the way with a 4.05 ERA and the Mets cruised into the playoffs as the National League Wild Card winner, slated to square off against the Giants in the Divisional Series.

The Mets and Giants split the first two games in San Francisco and the Mets took a 2-1 series lead in Game 3 on the strength of Benny Agbayani's 13th inning walk-off homerun. That set the stage for Jones in Game 4, and what followed was arguably the best postseason pitching performance in the history of the franchise. An unlikely hero, Jones dominated the Giants from start to finish, hurling a one-hit complete game shutout to give the Mets the series victory. Jones allowed just the one hit -- a 5th inning double to Jeff Kent -- and a lone walk to J.T. Snow in the same frame; he retired the Giants in order in every other inning. The win carried the Mets into the League Championship Series to face the Cardinals.

Jones made two more starts that postseason, neither impressive. He allowed six runs in four innings in Game 4 of the LCS, a game the Mets would eventually win 10-6. He started -- and lost -- Game 4 of the World Series against the Yankees, allowing three earned runs in five innings.

Jones would leave as a free agent following the 2000 season, signing with the Padres and pitching poorly for two years before calling it quits. Jones was an effective workhorse for a half-dozen of his eight seasons in New York, and he started more games in the nineties than any other Mets' pitcher. While his overall value with the club rests with his ability to eat innings, his legacy will always be Game 4 of the 2000 LDS

Sources

Bobby Jones at Baseball-Reference.com
Bobby Jones at Baseball Prospectus
Bobby Jones at The Baseball Cube

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hmm.
My first reaction to seeing Bobby (J.) Jones on this list was not too favorable; there have to have been at least a couple of dozen pitchers in Mets history who were better than him in terms of raw ability, or even many who have had much better seasons than he ever did in a Mets uniform.

My second reaction was to think of that 2000 Division Series game, which was in my opinion probably the best-pitched game in Mets history (factoring in the quality of the opposition and the importance of the game), and which was also probably the best-pitched game I've personally watched from start to finish.  And then I thought, okay, he belongs on this list just for that game alone.

So I'm kind of on the fence about Bobby's legitimacy here -- since it's not a list of "best moments" but rather "best Mets," maybe he doesn't really belong on this list.  But that game is sure a good moment to think back on during a cold winter.

by anonymous on Jan 29, 2007 12:38 PM EST   0 recs

Yea
Again, it all comes down to how a list is derived. I mostly considered aggregate career value, so Jones makes the list largely on the strength of being a decent pitcher for a long time. If I were considering (more strongly) peak value, then there is little chance Jones would have made the list. Of course, Lance Johnson might have made that list on the strength of his 1996 season.

This also isn't a "best moments" or "best performances" list, lest Todd Pratt or Benny Agbayani appear on the list. Or, as someone on another board suggested, Nolan Ryan be included exclusively because of his performance in Game 3 of the '69 LCS.

by Eric Simon on Jan 29, 2007 2:25 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

really?
So, are you saying Bobby Jones would still be here on the strength of his long-term decent/average performance even if he hadn't thrown that Division Series game?  I'd have to think he got a little nudge up in the rankings based on that.

by anonymous on Jan 29, 2007 2:33 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Yes
And, to be honest, postseason performance had little impact on the rankings. I wouldn't know how to weight tiny sample size accomplishments (or failures) relative to a massive body of regular season production. This isn't meant to minimize those postseason heroics, and surely they are lasting and wonderful memories for us all.

The Mets as a franchise do not have a lot of postseason experience to draw from, and I have trouble elevating or penalizing a player dramatically based on so few games. A particularly great postseason performance might nudge a player in one direction, but it certainly wouldn't be enough to account for a ten spot difference that would have landed Jones off of this list entirely.

by Eric Simon on Jan 29, 2007 2:45 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

interesting
Of course, it's completely defensible that you're putting the list together this way -- but I guess my intuitive take on it would be that this gives too much weight (for my taste) to the number of years a player spent in a Mets uniform.  It's more than reasonable to compare players' whole careers by cumulative production rather than peak years, and you can pick up on some unfairly underrated guys that way.  But to judge their quality by adding up only the time they spent on one team means weighting staying in one place so much that it's almost as important as being any good while you're there.

by anonymous on Jan 29, 2007 3:18 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

postseason Performance
I am a little conflicted on how to weigh a player's postseason performenace when assesssing a player's career.  On the one hand, I agree that it seems unfair to give undue importance to one great (or atrocious) game.  On the other hand, however, when compiling a list such as this one the task at hand is not to predict future performance based on past performance (A GM in the winter of 2000 would obviously have been a fool to see Jones' performance against the Giants as an indicator of future success), the job is to appraise past performances.  The rules of major league baseball and its playoff system clearly weigh some games as more important than others and I think that our evaluations of player performance must account for that.  

I, for one, think that the current system is a fun, yet silly, way of picking a champion.  The rules, however, are the rules and as it stands some games are worth much. much more than others.        

by Shomov on Jan 29, 2007 9:28 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Game 4
I was never a big Jones fan; even when going well he never instilled confidence.  That said, Game 4 was a quiet masterpiece.
"It's Father's Day today at Shea, so to all you fathers out there, Happy Birthday." -- Ralph Kiner

by dissento on Jan 29, 2007 5:40 PM EST   0 recs

Bobby J
To me, a performance like Jones in Game 4 is why we love sports. You'd never expect an everyman like him to dominate like that, but then he does and its a great event and a lasting memory.

As to how to factor in postseason performances in this list, it would seem pretty difficult.  Of course, it's far more significant as a general matter for a player's Mets career to have thrown, say a one-hit shutout in the LDS (or close out close games down the stretch), than on the last day of the 1992 season.  We all can and will make our own value adjustments based on that (Armando Benitez, I'm talking to you).  But to put a precise numerical value on postseason performance, especially when comparing players with such differentials in opportunities in that regard, may be overly ambitious.

Heck, Ted Williams played poorly in his only World Series performance in 1946, and Ernie Banks never even made it.  They're still all-time, all-time greats.  Even if Jim Leyritz ("The [self-proclaimed] King") hit a few homers in the postseason.

Another Eric

by esl3m on Jan 30, 2007 12:01 AM EST   0 recs

Jones v. Martinez
I have an indistinct recollection of a great pitching match-up at Shea between Jones and Martinez when Pedro was with the Expos.  If my memory serves me right, the Mets and Jones won the game 2 - 0.  Does anyone recall any details from this game?

by Shomov on Jan 30, 2007 8:53 AM EST   0 recs

Gotta love Retrosheet
I remember that game. Inexplicably, Jones and Martinez were the two winningest pitchers in the NL at that point. I think that was one of the last great games for Jones before he fell off the rails and became an average innings eater again.

That's box score, via Retrosheet:

http://retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B06030NYN1997.htm

Interestingly, this was the second straight Martinez vs. Jones match-up. The one a week earlier was a little more one sided, though not in favor of the pitcher you'd think it was:

http://retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B05280MON1997.htm

by jalsonmi on Feb 2, 2007 3:33 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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