Open Thread - Game 31: Mets vs Giants (05/07/2007) on SNY
by Eric Simon on May 7, 2007 10:02 PM EDT
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The tale of the tape:
Perez Zito
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2007 Salary $2.35M $10M
2007 ERA 3.41 3.55
2007 FIP 2.75 3.67
2007 K/9 11.17 5.40
2007 BB/9 3.10 3.99
2007 K/BB 3.60 1.35
2007 HR/9 0.62 0.23
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nice comparison
But really it's the difference between their 2015 salaries that will tell the story of these two pitchers (and their agents!). Seriously, we all knew Zito's deal was insane from minute 1, but he's still a decent pitcher, and Ollie is still the less likely of the two to continue his current level of performance for the full season.
Phew! I was so scared.
Now. Bake this, Zito.
And the less said about this, the better.
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its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win!!!
The Braves lost.
THEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Braves lost.
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and so did the Skankees
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Weird lineup tonight.
Reyes
Wright
Beltran
Alou
Delgado
LoDuca
Green
Easley
Perez
Wright
Beltran
Alou
Delgado
LoDuca
Green
Easley
Perez
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I know I'm not supposed to talk
about my fantasy team, but I have 2-7 of the Mets lineup on my team. Does that make me a homer?
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yes
its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win!!!
I have Orlando Hudson at 2nd
but I'm thinking of dropping him for Easley - what do you think?
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Oh and I have Ollie starting tonight too.
I'm really knowledgable about bizzballz.
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let me know when you do it
i'll but waiver in immediately
its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win!!!
Vizquel
Dude's got more leather than [insert something that has a humorously expansive collection of leather].
Lynne Cheney?
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i could live with out that image
its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win!!!
Hm - I see we have a bad mental image-off
going on here.
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that a reference to this
http://deadspin.com/sports/espn/youre-with-me-leather-166570.php
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I like it.
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Well....
That refers to the story that I was referring to, but here's the actual story, and you might get it then-
http://deadspin.com/sports/chris-berman/he-could-go-all-the-way-166410.php
(it's linked in the first paragraph of what Doc linked above)
Omar!
Flashing some leather at the age of 40. Can't wait to see Franco hit a ball near him -- guaranteed to be the oldest combo on a flashy play at short ever.
and you know a franco
6-3 ground out is happening this series. Cause it happens every series.
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Vizquel
The guys are talking about his HOF candidacy. Despite the gold gloves, he's a .275/.341/.359 career hitter in an era of offensive explosion. He has 2,500 hits, but that's largely a product of playing 19 seasons. He gets some props for longevity, but to be enshrined as a baseball immortal? I'm not sure I see it. At least, based on the modicum of research I bothered doing.
well
guys like Ozzie and even though its silly Mazoriski are in for their defense, then I think Vizquel has a legit case. An average hitter was phenomenal with his glove. D is part of the game.
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Ozzie
Ozzie Smith is the greatest defensive player at any position in the history of the sport, and it isn't even really close. Vizquel is a very good defensive player. If we use offense as an analogy, we're comparing Babe Ruth to, oh I don't know, Fred Lynn?
this maybe
true. But we don't have a easy well known metric to measure Vizquel D relative to Smith. So a lot of his subjective. Personally I think he ends up getting in as kind a protest to "Steroid Era" emphasis on offense.
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no no no no no no no no way.
Omar Vizquel is the very definition of "nice player but not a Hall of Famer." And Ozzie should never have been allowed into the Hall, not because he wasn't arguably eligible as the best defensive SS ever, but because it's such a stupid, dangerous precedent to allow. Now for the rest of time we have to hear arguments about how Player X couldn't hit that well, but neither could Ozzie.
here's the deal
Defense is part of the game. How big is a part of the game. 30%?20%?10%? we need to quantify this so we know how to value in things like HOF discussions. Another guy who has argument in this regard is the guy calling this game tonight.
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how big?
It seems to me like we may not have an exact quantitative answer to this (though we're not too far from it, actually) -- but we (serious baseball fans) already have a lot of pretty decent gut instincts. And my intuition is: defense is nice, great defense is very nice, as icing on a cake that's rich in other ingredients, but no way does it make up for any serious inability in hitting. Ozzie gets some extra credit, fine. Rey Ordoñez starts coming up in the discussion, not so good. Omar Vizquel has the misfortune to have played shortstop in the eras of Ripken, Rodriguez, and Jeter (textbook exhibit C-for-Captain for the "defense doesn't really matter" side). That makes him very much not a Hall of Famer.
Keith
The difference is that Keith Hernandez was a terrific offensive player for a number of years, and was by far the best player in his league in one (1979, despite Pops robbing him of half of his rightful MVP award). Vizquel has been an above average offensive player (using OPS+) exactly once, in 1999 when he had an OPS+ of 111, and he has an OPS+ of 85 for his career.
By comparison, Hernandez was better than average every year of his career, and had an OPS+ of 129 for his career. The Vizquel/Hernandez comparison is not an apt one, IMHO.
right
Keith is a way better hitter than Vizquel. But he isn't a masher in the mold of say McCovey, Thomas, Bagwell or even Delgado. People will hold that against him in HOF discussion, but how much does his defense mitigate that. Also, prior to say Ripken, it was common for SS not be a great hitters, esp. for power. So is fair to hold Vizquel up the A-Rod standard.
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Delgado
Carlos swung at a pitchers pitch there.
its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win!!!
He used to be so selective.
Now it just looks like he's guessing up there, and his timing is all off.
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i'm starting to think
his Elbow or wrist still hurts and he's compensating for that by committing early in his swing.
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Ugh
Do I need to go take Delgado off Fantasy First base again? Sorry guys!
by NewMet5 on May 7, 2007 10:33 PM EDT reply actions
OT
But I'm really getting pumped about the tickets I have to Sunday's Mets-Brewers game. I didn't think of it as much of a matchup when I bought the tix in March, but we're talking about the two best teams in the league right now.
The Crew beat Washington to improve to 22-10.
Driving the Oliver Perez bandwagon!
Yeah
I have tickets to the Mets-Brewers game July 31 in Milwaukee. I live in Chicago, but it seems impossible to get cubs/mets tickets for some reason..they always sell out crazy fast. I will make the 2 hour trek up to Milwaukee no problem though, and the way it's looking now might have to buy the 2 other games also.
Here's to us out-of-staters
I have tix for July 3 and 4.
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too many fly balls
Not enough strikeouts. Get the ball down, Ollie.
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if your gonna be up a little
with the ball, this is the place
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Ollie for 1B
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Easley took that way better
than I would have.
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interesting
Ollie has nine in a row with no Ks.
Save America. Impeach Bush
hey
Eli, lawyer question. Did you see this. http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/ny-spmsuit0508,0,3442587.story?coll=ny-sports-headlines
What kind of case does she have against the Mets here?
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maybe
against Mets, but more likely against Aramark under Dram Shop Act if plaintiff can prove that the guy was obviously drunk when served a beer and that he was drunk when he fell on her
Save America. Impeach Bush
He, eli. Jinx question.
I don't even have to ask it, now do I?
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St. Louis lost
After one of their bullpen scrubs walked in the go-ahead run in the top of the 9th.
They're ALREADY 9 games out of 1st place with the Brewers on fire. My heart bleeds for them (hee hee!).
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1987 Mets kind of year their having
nothing going right. On and Off the field.
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Bonds expanding the Zone.
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Ollie threw the
Johnny Franco pitch to Barry.
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That look from Bonds was beautiful.
It reminded me of that time Franco fanned his ass to close out that playoff series in 2000.
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Todd Linden
That was a brutal display of Defense.
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Jose Reyes, RBI Machine
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Yeah - he really spanked that ball.
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Is this ump stoned or something?
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that never went out
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same fucking shit that happened in
arizona. He's reaching over unto the field
its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win!!!
Plus Ollie threw that one higher up in the zone
because of that retarded call right on the pitch right before it.
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yeah that 3-2 was a
strike
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Let's hope Ollie can keep it under control now.
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Fence
Can the Giants paint the top of the damn fence if fans are going to be that close to the field.
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Russ Ortiz = fat toad.
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Meltdown inning. Fuck.
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WTF
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Poor Ollie
he's being victimized by everyone this inning.
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ugly inning
Mets need help at 2nd and when Green stops hitting his defense will even be harder to take. Didn't get the sense that Ollie had his good stuff tonite.
Save America. Impeach Bush
Except that he set down the first 9 in order.
Then was cruising along just fine until that sh!tty call on the 3-2 pitch (oh wait, you don't tolerate bad umping, I know), then the crappy call on the HR that didn't leave the park, then the 2 errors.
I thought his stuff was just fine, but he was victimized by bad luck.
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ok he had some bad breaks
but you know he wasn't pitching a shutout. His ball was up. He has great stuff, but he lacks maturity. He just loses his cool. You can't blame it all on a close 3-2 pitch
Save America. Impeach Bush
blown calls
2 errors. I'm giving Ollie a pass. These fat fuck umps can even get simple HR calls right.
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He WAS pitching a shutout
and I didn't blame it ALL on the 3-2 pitch, now did I?
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Relax, Relax
Before the home run that wasn't(the runs probably would have scored anyway)and before the errors Ollie gave up a hard single to Zito who had a lifetime average of .023 or something. So I won't give Ollie a pass.
Save America. Impeach Bush
hits to the pitcher can happen
everyone once in while. Errors on a 2 straight plays can't.
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I'm relaxed, eli.
I was correcting your multiple factual errors. And, yes, runners on 2nd and 3rd with no one out and no runs having scored IS a shutout, and NO, it's not guaranteed that they will score.
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sorry to misquote
the dynamic Mr. Met.
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Lino - we hardly knew ye.
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why
send down Burgos and bring up this bum
Save America. Impeach Bush
he's gone the minute
Duque comes back. I think they want to see if he could help. He hasn't acquitted himself well at all.
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well it's an early night
I'll watch the beginning of Countdown and go to bed. Get them tomorrow with Tommie on the mound
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hey y'all
yucky inning.
is that an understatement?
mets miscues make me sad.
Pedro offers you his protection.
i guess you could take the sillyness
at the Geek anymore. Yeah a fucking Meltdown inning.
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that was bad
i just wanted to get away from the negativity.
i watched the rest of the game, but it only got a little better.
Pedro offers you his protection.
by pj on May 8, 2007 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
big hill to climb
Can the Mets do it against a shoddy Giant bullpen? Probably not, but they're off to a good start...
I just got home from this game.
I'll post a blog in a second.
Yeah, that ball didn't go over.
Freakin....ugh!
EAMUS METROPOLI.
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