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Open Thread - Game 94: Mets vs. Padres (07/18/2007) on SNY

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Source: mlb.com

Tale of the tape:

Maine Maddux
ERA 2.91 4.35
FIP 3.90 3.78
K/9 7.56 4.75
BB/9 3.38 1.50
K/BB 2.23 3.16
HR/9 0.87 0.71
WHIP 1.17 1.31
GB/FB 0.82 1.65
BABIP .261 .317
eBABIP .290 .316

Que se dillio:

A win tonight against Mad Dog would give the Mets two consecutive series wins for the first time in I don't care to remember. Maddux has struck out just over one batter for every two innings pitched, yet he still has a K/BB ratio greater than three because, even as he has aged, he has never lost that impeccable command. He has walked just one-and-a-half batters every nine innings this season and just 1.83 every nine innings over the course of his career. He gives up plenty of base hits, but he doesn't allow many homeruns and he's not going to hurt himself with the bases-on-balls.

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It would be nice
to beat Maddux. I always hated him and his 9 foot wide strike zone.
"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on Jul 18, 2007 9:33 PM EDT   0 recs

Yea
Also, this is the first game I was able to watch from the get go. Remember guys, confidence!

by NewMet5 on Jul 18, 2007 9:40 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Also
Gramps is with the Braves now.... interesting.

by NewMet5 on Jul 18, 2007 9:51 PM EDT   0 recs

good
i hope they play him a lot with his 588 OPS at a power position. Would help us a ton.
its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win!!!

by DoctorK16 on Jul 18, 2007 10:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Wooh!
Struck out the side! Not a good start

by NewMet5 on Jul 18, 2007 10:10 PM EDT   0 recs

What a start
Greg Maddux makes me sick.
"[Jose Reyes] sizzles in a lot of areas, doesn't he?" - Tim McCarver

by TheFlushingKings on Jul 18, 2007 10:10 PM EDT   0 recs

What the?
What was Delgado thinking on that?  He didn't even make an attempt.

by Mikeybags84 on Jul 18, 2007 10:18 PM EDT   0 recs

Green is brutal defensively
its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win!!!

by DoctorK16 on Jul 18, 2007 10:29 PM EDT   0 recs

and no great shakes
offensively either. Can't wait for Alou to get back
Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Jul 18, 2007 10:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

If there's a light
Maddux's WHIP this year is the worst since his first two seasons, 1990, and 1999.  If we can hit Peavy, we should be able to hit this year's Maddux.  

Then again, we should have been able to hit this year's David Wells.

by thriller216 on Jul 18, 2007 10:32 PM EDT   0 recs

yeah
Maddux is hittable at this point of career.
its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win!!!

by DoctorK16 on Jul 18, 2007 10:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah
hopefully maine can settle down and the mets can get some green lights on.

by NewMet5 on Jul 18, 2007 10:35 PM EDT   0 recs

sure hope we don't revert
to anemic offense again after yesterday's excellent performance
Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Jul 18, 2007 10:37 PM EDT   0 recs

That seems to be a recurring problem
We "break out" with 6-10 runs, then get 0-3 runs the next game.
"[Jose Reyes] sizzles in a lot of areas, doesn't he?" - Tim McCarver

by TheFlushingKings on Jul 18, 2007 10:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Maddux is really dealing
could be a long night. When the year started it looked like Reyes could have an MVP season.Now, it's a very good season but maybe not as good as last year. A bit disappointing.
Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Jul 18, 2007 10:50 PM EDT   0 recs

Reyes
Reyes is still have a great season. The only difference is his power numbers are down. He's on base more than ever.
its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win!!!

by DoctorK16 on Jul 18, 2007 10:51 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes his OBP is up but his OPS is about the same
but I wouldn't call this a great season.
Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Jul 18, 2007 10:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

his OPS+ is 125
he's leading off, so thats one place you can not hit for power. Also nothing precludes him from getting hot and hitting some HR in bunches either.
its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win!!!

by DoctorK16 on Jul 18, 2007 10:55 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

OPS+
basically establishes a baseline average OPS for the league and measures players based on their percentage above/below OPS. basically player OPS/league OPS. An average player will have a 100 OPS.
its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win!!!

by DoctorK16 on Jul 18, 2007 10:59 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

thanks
Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Jul 18, 2007 11:00 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

OPS+
Also, OPS+ is adjusted for parks and other factors, so a guy with Reyes' stats in a place like COL won't have as high of an OPS+ as Reyes.  So it's nice to use to compare players of the same year/era.

by Mikeybags84 on Jul 18, 2007 11:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Maddux
lets seem him go around the order again
its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win!!!

by DoctorK16 on Jul 18, 2007 10:51 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It does seem
that he's streakier than last year, but look what his average was at the end of last year: .300. Doc's right, he's still on pace to score 113 runs, and his OBP is 32 points higher than last year's. His power numbers are simply down, which can be said for a ton of MLB players. (But I hate stats.)
"[Jose Reyes] sizzles in a lot of areas, doesn't he?" - Tim McCarver

by TheFlushingKings on Jul 18, 2007 10:56 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

he would have scored more
runs if we could not suck in RBI situtations.
its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win!!!

by DoctorK16 on Jul 18, 2007 10:57 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

He's about equal to last year
which is really good, but I was expecting more
Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Jul 18, 2007 10:58 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

awful at bat by Beltran
seen alot of them this year
Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Jul 18, 2007 10:59 PM EDT   0 recs

Ks and weak groundouts
tonite
Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Jul 18, 2007 11:01 PM EDT   0 recs

Reyes is only Met
who is having as good a year this year as last. All other except maybe Wright are having considerably worse years as Delgado Ks. Hand it to Maddux though he's unhittable. Maybe I can catch up on some sleep tonite and join Mets bats.
Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Jul 18, 2007 11:03 PM EDT   0 recs

Wright
I would say if he can get 30/30, we should all be extremely surprised. He's still even on pace for a career high in homers.
Talkin' Sports

by BlackOps on Jul 18, 2007 11:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Eu Vey

by NewMet5 on Jul 18, 2007 11:05 PM EDT   0 recs

can Milledge catch a break
that was RBI single with most pitchers on the mound
its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win!!!

by DoctorK16 on Jul 18, 2007 11:13 PM EDT   0 recs

This is huge
Let's go, Jose!!!!!
"[Jose Reyes] sizzles in a lot of areas, doesn't he?" - Tim McCarver

by TheFlushingKings on Jul 18, 2007 11:13 PM EDT   0 recs

Ugh
"[Jose Reyes] sizzles in a lot of areas, doesn't he?" - Tim McCarver

by TheFlushingKings on Jul 18, 2007 11:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Woooh
more men stranded!

by NewMet5 on Jul 18, 2007 11:14 PM EDT   0 recs

at least he didn't strike out
no big hits but that's pure luck of course
Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Jul 18, 2007 11:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Reyes
do you really doubt Reyes' ability to hit in clutch situtations?
its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win!!!

by DoctorK16 on Jul 18, 2007 11:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I was referring to the team as a whole
but Reyes was more clutch last year. He was at beginning of season but he has fallen off as evidenced by his 222 average with 2 outs and RISP, but it doesn't matter tonite because Maine can't hold them close
Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Jul 18, 2007 11:20 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Not at all.
But it doesn't detract from my sadness we're losing 4 nothing

by NewMet5 on Jul 18, 2007 11:20 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

according to you I Reyes can't get a clutch hit
because there is no such a thing as a clutch hit. It's all luck
Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Jul 18, 2007 11:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

it is luck
its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win!!!

by DoctorK16 on Jul 18, 2007 11:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

so why would you ask if I would doubt that
reyes is capable of getting lucky.
Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Jul 18, 2007 11:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

you believe it is skill
and since Reyes got clutch hits last year why would he be incapable of getting them this year in your view.
its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win!!!

by DoctorK16 on Jul 18, 2007 11:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

probably because
the second place hitter is not doing as well as PLD did last year. Also, players can have better clutch hitting years just like they can have better power years.
Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Jul 18, 2007 11:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Maddux took himself out
after 65 pitches. A great pitcher but not exactly a gamer
Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Jul 18, 2007 11:24 PM EDT   0 recs

We have GOT to take advantage
of these Braves defeats. We simply can't afford to keep letting them hang around until September, when anything can happen...This pennant race is like watching one of those hyped-up boxing matches between two 45-year-olds who should have retired ages ago. Close, and evenly matched, but painful to watch.
"[Jose Reyes] sizzles in a lot of areas, doesn't he?" - Tim McCarver

by TheFlushingKings on Jul 18, 2007 11:24 PM EDT   0 recs

it looks like the NL East
will be like 2006 NL Central. Hopefully, Mets will share the same fate as Cardinals. I can'tsee Mets running away with it which is a shame because they have much more talent than anybody else in division. True underachievers this year
Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Jul 18, 2007 11:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

we
will win more game than the Cards. And the the Phillies and Braves will be over 500 something that can't be said about the 06 Central
its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win!!!

by DoctorK16 on Jul 18, 2007 11:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

you know what I mean Doc
I didn't mean EXACTLY like last year's Central Division.By the way the Cards were about where Mets were at this time and had an awful last 1/4 so the Mets can get there.
Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Jul 18, 2007 11:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Ysy!
I guess that means we're gonna win the World Series!
Talkin' Sports

by BlackOps on Jul 18, 2007 11:43 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

sure
why not. all you have to do is get there
Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Jul 18, 2007 11:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

What the...
Maddux out after 65 pitches?  Why?

by Mikeybags84 on Jul 18, 2007 11:24 PM EDT   0 recs

I would say the guy is lazy
but I dont think I can even throw a fastball...

by NewMet5 on Jul 18, 2007 11:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Borderline selfish
because let's face it, we didn't have a prayer against him. We went down silently again this inning, but he's given us a chance to get back in the game.
"[Jose Reyes] sizzles in a lot of areas, doesn't he?" - Tim McCarver

by TheFlushingKings on Jul 18, 2007 11:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Maddux is out of the game
and Mets have a truly uninspired half inning. Maybe they thought he was still in.
Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Jul 18, 2007 11:28 PM EDT   0 recs

two months since Mets
won a game where starter give up more than 3 runs. Anybody have any league stats on that. It seems pretty bad
Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Jul 18, 2007 11:37 PM EDT   0 recs

Mr. D
We are on the board!

by NewMet5 on Jul 18, 2007 11:41 PM EDT   0 recs

thanks Bud
for bringing Ring in.
Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Jul 18, 2007 11:42 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Nothing like Ring to wake up the
offense. Not this time Cammy.
its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win!!!

by DoctorK16 on Jul 18, 2007 11:42 PM EDT   0 recs

of course it matters not
to Shawn
Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Jul 18, 2007 11:43 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

My heart stopped for a second
He can go get it.
"[Jose Reyes] sizzles in a lot of areas, doesn't he?" - Tim McCarver

by TheFlushingKings on Jul 18, 2007 11:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Who is this pitcher wearing Show uni?
its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win!!!

by DoctorK16 on Jul 18, 2007 11:53 PM EDT   0 recs

he's been great on road
and much better overall lately. Perhaps, he's turned it around.
Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Jul 18, 2007 11:56 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Dontrille has been awful lately
you think that makes him available. Then again do we really want him given his terrible year. I would take him
Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Jul 18, 2007 11:57 PM EDT   0 recs

he's hurt
pitching throw a forearm injury. Same thing Pavano had surgery for.
its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win!!!

by DoctorK16 on Jul 19, 2007 12:02 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

thanks Doc
you're a veritable baseball encyclopedia
Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Jul 19, 2007 12:03 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I've had enough
this is depressing. I think I'll watch Countdown and listen to Keith Olbermann tell me how Bush is destroying the country. That should cheer me up
Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Jul 19, 2007 12:02 AM EDT   0 recs

sounds like a good anti-depression
its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win!!!

by DoctorK16 on Jul 19, 2007 12:03 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

not as good as Porzac
but cheaper and I can still get an erection
Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Jul 19, 2007 12:04 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Well
Hopefully you decided to stick around for 3 more minutes before turning it off.  

by Mikeybags84 on Jul 19, 2007 12:07 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I was watching a story about
the all night Senate session and my son screamed from the other room. Oh me of little faith
Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Jul 19, 2007 12:08 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I say again
WOHOHOHOHOHOHOH

by NewMet5 on Jul 19, 2007 12:05 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Well their your damn clutch hit Eli
its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win!!!

by DoctorK16 on Jul 19, 2007 12:05 AM EDT   0 recs

come on Doc
no such thing. that was the luckiest hit I've ever seen
Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Jul 19, 2007 12:06 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

some good luck is needed sometimes
its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win!!!

by DoctorK16 on Jul 19, 2007 12:09 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'll remember that the
next time I pick a jury
Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Jul 19, 2007 12:10 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah Mike Vick better hope
his has been living on Neptune for the last few months. What a damn fool.
its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win!!!

by DoctorK16 on Jul 19, 2007 12:11 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Remember Doc
he's innocent until proven guilty.
Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Jul 19, 2007 12:14 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

True
he looks really bad right now though.
its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win!!!

by DoctorK16 on Jul 19, 2007 12:15 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

you neve know
there are many overzealous federal prosecutors who extort cooperation agreements from guys to net a famous person.  Be wary of this
Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Jul 19, 2007 12:17 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

it works though
95% conviction rate
its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win!!!

by DoctorK16 on Jul 19, 2007 12:30 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

YES!!
Patience pays off again!  I thought D-Dub would do something there, but I wasn't expecting a HR.  Lets keep it going now!

by Mikeybags84 on Jul 19, 2007 12:06 AM EDT   0 recs

enough of Olbermann
I'm back with Gary and Ron
Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Jul 19, 2007 12:06 AM EDT   0 recs

i TIVO it
but sometimes I its too depressing to watch
its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win!!!

by DoctorK16 on Jul 19, 2007 12:09 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

One time Gary Cohen
mentioned that he watched Countdown. Sometimes he's the left-wing Bill O'Reilly but he's on my side and he's a helluva writer. He was a year ahead of me in college and was the lead DJ on school radio station.
Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Jul 19, 2007 12:12 AM EDT