Open Thread - Game 86: Mets vs. Astros (07/07/2007) on SNY

by Eric Simon on Jul 7, 2007 6:48 PM EDT

Tale of the tape:

	Glavine	Williams
ERA	4.39	5.47
FIP	5.08	5.70
K/9	4.31	4.44
BB/9	3.23	2.82
K/BB	1.33	1.58
HR/9	1.16	1.62
WHIP	1.41	1.49
GB/FB	1.14	0.82
BABIP	.286	.300
eBABIP	.332	.309

Que se dillio:

We want a batter, not a broken ladder!

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Great play by Delgado

He's snagged a bunch of those line drives lately. But now we need to get some hits and runs!

"[Jose Reyes] sizzles in a lot of areas, doesn't he?" - Tim McCarver

by TheFlushingKings on Jul 7, 2007 7:33 PM EDT reply actions

...Or a 3-minute inning

I forgot that the bottom of the inning was up. But still, that was too quick...

"[Jose Reyes] sizzles in a lot of areas, doesn't he?" - Tim McCarver

by TheFlushingKings on Jul 7, 2007 7:38 PM EDT reply actions

Bottom of the order

"[Jose Reyes] sizzles in a lot of areas, doesn't he?" - Tim McCarver

by TheFlushingKings on Jul 7, 2007 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions

Yankees Lose

Jeter grounded out to end it

by Shomov on Jul 7, 2007 7:44 PM EDT reply actions

Those Halos have always had their number

Of course, the five errors in a game where you only score one run doesn't help.

"[Jose Reyes] sizzles in a lot of areas, doesn't he?" - Tim McCarver

by TheFlushingKings on Jul 7, 2007 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions

Willie

should have sat Reyes tonite. He looks mentally and physically exhausted.

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by elifriedman on Jul 7, 2007 8:25 PM EDT reply actions

You're right

He does need to fake an injury and relax this week. It's really not that important, as I'm sure the National League is going to lose again anyway.

"[Jose Reyes] sizzles in a lot of areas, doesn't he?" - Tim McCarver

by TheFlushingKings on Jul 7, 2007 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions

It's so important for Reyes

to get on base, with the #2 hitter changing every game and Beltran now struggling. He's really the most important part of the offense.

"[Jose Reyes] sizzles in a lot of areas, doesn't he?" - Tim McCarver

by TheFlushingKings on Jul 7, 2007 8:27 PM EDT reply actions

Amen

and his number now are not as good as last year's except for OBP. Homers and RBIs are below last year's pace and BA is approaching 300

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by elifriedman on Jul 7, 2007 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions

that Wright tied it up but look at the pitiful hitting that happened after. This team can't string hits together. It's either home run or bust. I hate to sound like broken record, but Shawn Green is atrocious. I would love to see him off this team. PLEASE

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by elifriedman on Jul 7, 2007 8:41 PM EDT reply actions

when the Mets

have so many swinging strikeouts against a pitcher who has the least swings and misses against him, it is clearly time to panic. Listening Omar, this team STINKS and has for half of this season. This is unacceptable for a team with this kind of payroll and expectations.

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by elifriedman on Jul 7, 2007 8:54 PM EDT reply actions

freakin' finally.

Even if the Mets win this game against the Astro pen, the fact that Woody Williams stayed in this long is a damning indictment of the state of the lineup.

by anonymous on Jul 7, 2007 8:57 PM EDT reply actions

one of the lowest average with

RISP and two outs in baseball and he just had a terrible at bat, not to mention the last AB of last season. Beltran stinks. I suppose the many Beltran supporters out there will say that there is no such thing as clutch hitting and that is all dumb luck.

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by elifriedman on Jul 7, 2007 9:06 PM EDT reply actions

ahem:

There is no such thing as clutch hitting and that all is dumb luck.

Beltran is still having a pretty crappy year, for Beltran.

by anonymous on Jul 7, 2007 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions

he's having a crappy

year for any third place hitter. I bet he ranks at or near the bottom of the list for that position in batting order. He stinks. You seem like a nice, intelligent guy, but if you really believe that you know nothing about sports.

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by elifriedman on Jul 7, 2007 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions

see:

chart

Beltran ranks 10th in OPS out of 15 qualifiers in MLB as a #3 hitter (or 21st out of 39 with at least 100 AB). Not great by any means, but not abysmal.

by anonymous on Jul 7, 2007 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions

ok not abysmal

but very, very bad

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by elifriedman on Jul 7, 2007 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions

um

show me how it isn't complete luck.

by gogomets on Jul 8, 2007 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions

It's a good thing

that I have had stuff on my mind recently other than baseball because if I didn't, the team's recent performance would have caused me to have a breakdown by now.

by Shomov on Jul 7, 2007 9:07 PM EDT reply actions

Good job, Carlos

For everyone's accusations of A-Rod being Mr. April, Beltran's starting to look a little like him. Unfathomably high salary, good numbers but can't come through in the clutch. (Before that AB he was hitting .129 with 2 out/RISP, which is 4th-worst in the entire league.) This lineup is too much for me. As soon as someone picks it up, another hitter goes spiraling into a black hole.

"[Jose Reyes] sizzles in a lot of areas, doesn't he?" - Tim McCarver

by TheFlushingKings on Jul 7, 2007 9:07 PM EDT reply actions

Although, of course,

clutch hitting is all dumb luck. ;)

"[Jose Reyes] sizzles in a lot of areas, doesn't he?" - Tim McCarver

by TheFlushingKings on Jul 7, 2007 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions

the meaning of "luck"

It occurs to me that some of the frustration with the stat-head attribution of things like clutch hitting to "luck" is that "luck" isn't really what we mean. What we're talking about here is refusing to call anything an ability if it's not predictive of future performance, but instead falls within the normal (random) distribution of events around the mean. All kinds of things could fall into that category, including the normal changes in mindset and approach that every big-league hitter makes all the time, consciously or unconsciously, as he plays.

by anonymous on Jul 7, 2007 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions

could you blog

in English please. You sound like John Nash, the Beautiful Mind guy

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by elifriedman on Jul 7, 2007 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions

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Sorry -- it's hard for me to remember how humans communicate when I understand everything as though it were a computer simulation.

by anonymous on Jul 7, 2007 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions

Ok I get it now

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by elifriedman on Jul 7, 2007 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions

A-Rod

I heard watching the Yankee game today that A-Rod has the best numbers in baseball this year in ninth inning "clutch" situations. Except in extreme circumstanes, the performance of great players in "clutch" situations will even out to what you would expect. It reminds me of how fans also disparaged Bonds for years for not being clutch until the 2002 playoffs.

by Shomov on Jul 7, 2007 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions

how many times

has that idiot made a final out at third base. This whole fucking team needs to be pulled from the field. Knucklehead.

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by elifriedman on Jul 7, 2007 9:17 PM EDT reply actions

that was truly embarrassing

And I think you're right that the whole team needs a little bit of a mindset adjustment. Maybe a few days off to reflect on how bad they've sucked since May will help to rebuild their confidence.

by anonymous on Jul 7, 2007 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions

Wow, that sucks

Duke's legs fail him again. Well, at least our man Greenie got a knock.

"[Jose Reyes] sizzles in a lot of areas, doesn't he?" - Tim McCarver

by TheFlushingKings on Jul 7, 2007 9:18 PM EDT reply actions

yep

thank god for small favors.

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by elifriedman on Jul 7, 2007 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions

Pedrito

Sure is nice to have one dependable guy in the bullpen, at least.

by anonymous on Jul 7, 2007 9:29 PM EDT reply actions

NASTY

That was some filth Pedro just dealt to a great hitter. Cue the bats!

"[Jose Reyes] sizzles in a lot of areas, doesn't he?" - Tim McCarver

by TheFlushingKings on Jul 7, 2007 9:29 PM EDT reply actions

Wheeler

has been dreadful so he'll probably strike out the side.

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by elifriedman on Jul 7, 2007 9:31 PM EDT reply actions

well he struck out

2 out of 3. Does this team ever draw a fucking walk or at least get a good at bat anymore.

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by elifriedman on Jul 7, 2007 9:40 PM EDT reply actions

it's fat cheater time

looks like this one is over. It will be merciful

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by elifriedman on Jul 7, 2007 9:44 PM EDT reply actions

I see that optimism is prevailing

We've got the meat of the order coming up, two-thirds of which has gone deep tonight. Mota committed a deadly sin by walking Ausmus to lead off, but he got himself out of it with some nice pitching. Let's see what happens.

"[Jose Reyes] sizzles in a lot of areas, doesn't he?" - Tim McCarver

by TheFlushingKings on Jul 7, 2007 9:52 PM EDT reply actions

Guillermo!

He's pitched great. The bad news is that we've got Green, Ledee, and a pinch-hitter (Franco?) due up.

"[Jose Reyes] sizzles in a lot of areas, doesn't he?" - Tim McCarver

by TheFlushingKings on Jul 7, 2007 10:12 PM EDT reply actions

props to Roidman

Credit to Mota for a (rare, recently) pretty good outing. I about shat myself on Lee's fly ball, but Mota kept him in the (very large) yard, and it wasn't even really a mistake pitch. A solid two innings.

by anonymous on Jul 7, 2007 10:13 PM EDT reply actions

Gramps!

He's pretty comfortable in those pressure-filled situations. Let's do it, Jose!

"[Jose Reyes] sizzles in a lot of areas, doesn't he?" - Tim McCarver

by TheFlushingKings on Jul 7, 2007 10:23 PM EDT reply actions

More than one hit in an inning...

and none of them homers?!? If we get a couple more singles or doubles here I can leave happy for once.

by Mikeybags84 on Jul 7, 2007 10:23 PM EDT reply actions

Ugh

One step forward, 2 steps back. Reyes swings at the first pitch he sees from Miller instead of waiting for something he could at least hit a fly ball on....

by Mikeybags84 on Jul 7, 2007 10:25 PM EDT reply actions

another

wasted opportunity. Dreadful.

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by elifriedman on Jul 7, 2007 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions

what's with

this stupid convention not bringing closer on road in tie in extra innings. I hate it. Wagner should be in

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by elifriedman on Jul 7, 2007 10:29 PM EDT reply actions

Shoenweiss

had his head up his ass

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by elifriedman on Jul 7, 2007 10:36 PM EDT reply actions

Everyday Joe

Finally getting the job done. Sigh Let's do it, I suppose.

"[Jose Reyes] sizzles in a lot of areas, doesn't he?" - Tim McCarver

by TheFlushingKings on Jul 7, 2007 10:45 PM EDT reply actions

3-5

went down like wimps against another lousy pitcher. We need a heart of the order transplant.Right now I don't care who wins just put me out of my misery

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by elifriedman on Jul 7, 2007 10:52 PM EDT reply actions

bleargh.

This game would be epic if it weren't so boring. It's like watching a staring contest.

by anonymous on Jul 7, 2007 11:04 PM EDT reply actions

Beltran!

He may not be hitting, but there's no one else I'd rather see out there right now. His glove alone has saved this game two or three times.

by anonymous on Jul 7, 2007 11:15 PM EDT reply actions

true

to Beltran's credit he hasn't let his bad offense affect his defensive play. He's never been better out there. He did it so effortlessly too.

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by elifriedman on Jul 7, 2007 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions

that was

one of the great plays. Unbelievable

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by elifriedman on Jul 7, 2007 11:16 PM EDT reply actions

now

are they going to make another horrible pitcher look like Cy Young

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by elifriedman on Jul 7, 2007 11:18 PM EDT reply actions

yes.

Our best hope is that they'll run out.

by anonymous on Jul 7, 2007 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions

I wonder if they could get a run

off Chris Biggio

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by elifriedman on Jul 7, 2007 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions

This is some fucking game

Seeing-eye hit there for Greenie, who now has 3 hits (chuckle)...why is it that all our hits have come with 2 outs, and they keep getting the leadoff man on?

"[Jose Reyes] sizzles in a lot of areas, doesn't he?" - Tim McCarver

by TheFlushingKings on Jul 7, 2007 11:41 PM EDT reply actions

well

our offense is struggling, pressing and tired. A bad mixture for success.

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by elifriedman on Jul 7, 2007 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions

I fell asleep

I've been sleeping for the past two hours. I wake up and the game is still fuckin on.

by Shomov on Jul 7, 2007 11:50 PM EDT reply actions

Is that Aaron Sele out there

or Denton True Young? Why the hell hasn't Willie been running this guy out more?!

I guess it would be fitting if we won this game in 17 innings on 7/7/07. Then again, Houston is an hour behind us, but it'll be 7/8/07 soon. Wow, I'm tired and bored.

"[Jose Reyes] sizzles in a lot of areas, doesn't he?" - Tim McCarver

by TheFlushingKings on Jul 7, 2007 11:50 PM EDT reply actions

Speaking of not getting the leadoff man on

that's a great idea, Willie! Why even bother trying? Just have our reliever hit for himself and give the opponent an out! Even though that wasn't a bad AB.

"[Jose Reyes] sizzles in a lot of areas, doesn't he?" - Tim McCarver

by TheFlushingKings on Jul 7, 2007 11:53 PM EDT reply actions

Who is left?

I know that there's two guys left not counting starting pitchers. Wagner is one.

Talkin' Sports

by BlackOps on Jul 7, 2007 11:55 PM EDT reply actions

catchers

Castro (not used yet, right?) and Sandy Alomar.

by anonymous on Jul 7, 2007 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions

Oh

Then I have nothing other than to applaud Willie for leaving in Sele.

Although, it would be pretty damn cool to see someone pitch (better than they hit).

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by BlackOps on Jul 7, 2007 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions

I didn't mean to sound ignorant there

I knew that there was almost no one to pinch-hit for Sele. But Sele had already pitched two frames, and I thought why not at least have Wagner warming up in the bullpen. It was stupid, I know. Well, looks like he's gonna come in anyway.

"[Jose Reyes] sizzles in a lot of areas, doesn't he?" - Tim McCarver

by TheFlushingKings on Jul 8, 2007 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions

come on

Seems like now or never -- Reyes has got to get home from third here. After this it's Wagner and then El Duque to pitch.

by anonymous on Jul 7, 2007 11:58 PM EDT reply actions

and Beltran comes through!

Holy shit, that might be the happiest 1-for-7 night in history if this holds up. Can we please, please, please tack on a run or two of insurance?

by anonymous on Jul 7, 2007 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions

There's one

by Shomov on Jul 8, 2007 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions

too soon to celebrate?

With 2 runs up and Wagner still waiting to be used, this is starting to feel like our night!

by anonymous on Jul 8, 2007 12:00 AM EDT reply actions

Phillies Losing

6-3

by Shomov on Jul 8, 2007 12:03 AM EDT reply actions

Mark McLemore

I thought, YES A POSITION PLAYER PITCHING!!

I was disappointed. Oh well.

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by BlackOps on Jul 8, 2007 12:05 AM EDT reply actions

I know

Before I heard Keith Hernandez going over Houston's bullpen roster, and when I heard his name I went "Huh?"

"[Jose Reyes] sizzles in a lot of areas, doesn't he?" - Tim McCarver

by TheFlushingKings on Jul 8, 2007 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions

put it in the books!

Very long books, that is.

by anonymous on Jul 8, 2007 12:16 AM EDT reply actions

Put it in the library

What a game.

"[Jose Reyes] sizzles in a lot of areas, doesn't he?" - Tim McCarver

by TheFlushingKings on Jul 8, 2007 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions

Finally

good win. Beltran does save the day

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by elifriedman on Jul 8, 2007 12:20 AM EDT reply actions

Marathon

So I'm watching this game at mom house after a Saturday family picnic and I leave it to go see Sicko at 9 PM. I figure its long over and I get in my car, I wanna hear the score. Turn on the fan, and theirs the freaking game still in the 16th inning. Just in time to hear the good stuff.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win!!!

by DoctorK16 on Jul 8, 2007 12:32 AM EDT reply actions