Open Thread - Game 147: Mets vs. Phillies (09/15/2007) on CW11

by Eric Simon on Sep 15, 2007 12:12 PM EDT

Tale of the tape:

	Martinez	Lohse
ERA	1.80	4.47
FIP	3.10	4.53
K/9	7.20	5.65
BB/9	3.60	2.57
K/BB	2.00	2.20
HR/9	0.00	1.08
WHIP	1.50	1.35
GB/FB	0.87	0.91
BABIP	.353	.300
eBABIP	.296	.337

Que se dillio:

Not much to say about last night's loss. The Mets had opportunities to bring runs home but didn't, and the Phillies capitalized on a couple of bad defensive plays in the top of the tenth to win their sixth straight game against the Mets.

Check out the preview of today's game at Baseball-Reference.com.

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funny how Phillies seem

to pitch well only against us. A win today will relieve pressure and pretty much clinch division.Love to see Reyes break out before playoffs. He's been dissapointing the last couple of months especially with RISP.

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by elifriedman on Sep 15, 2007 1:05 PM EDT reply actions

Reyes

His prodigious stealing this year IMO has be come a mixed blessing. I think that has taken a lot out of him and Willie doesn't ever rest him. That needs to change next year.

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by DoctorK16 on Sep 15, 2007 1:13 PM EDT reply actions

agreed

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by elifriedman on Sep 15, 2007 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions

wicked pitch

Pedro made Rollins look sick there.

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by Greenpoint Ian on Sep 15, 2007 1:13 PM EDT reply actions

yeah filthy change

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by DoctorK16 on Sep 15, 2007 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions

Pedro command is really good

No velocity right now though.

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by DoctorK16 on Sep 15, 2007 1:16 PM EDT reply actions

What is with these umps.

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by DoctorK16 on Sep 15, 2007 1:17 PM EDT reply actions

what bullshit

Will the Phils EVER have any bad luck against the Mets? Two pathetic bloops and they're up.

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by Greenpoint Ian on Sep 15, 2007 1:19 PM EDT reply actions

Bloops

Beltran should have had Utley bloop though.

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by DoctorK16 on Sep 15, 2007 1:20 PM EDT reply actions

yes, he should have

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by Greenpoint Ian on Sep 15, 2007 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions

Kyle Lohse

He sucks. The Mets had better beat him like Brett Myers' wife. I'm really getting fucking sick and tired of the way these Philadelphia games go.

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by Greenpoint Ian on Sep 15, 2007 1:24 PM EDT reply actions

yeah and I hope Pedro

Introduces a fast ball to someone ribs. Flash had no intention of pitching to DW in that spot and plunked him on purpose IMO. They threw at our hitters last series with impunity too. It needs to stop.

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by DoctorK16 on Sep 15, 2007 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions

Reyes

He starting hitting against Atlanta, but now we're back to weak popups and no strikezone judgement.

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by Greenpoint Ian on Sep 15, 2007 1:28 PM EDT reply actions

figures

The Phillies are the new Braves. No matter what they do, it turns to gold, while the Mets can do absolutely nothing right. Nice little league baserunning there.

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by Greenpoint Ian on Sep 15, 2007 1:32 PM EDT reply actions

Castillo

I can't kill that with 1 out. Usually Pat the Bat is a good bet to not catch anything. I thought it was a sure hit. Castillo scores if it does. Good fucking luck for them.

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by DoctorK16 on Sep 15, 2007 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions

gosh

Pedro looks nasty today.

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by elifriedman on Sep 15, 2007 1:34 PM EDT reply actions

his location is great

I wish he could dial it up to 88 regularly though.

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by DoctorK16 on Sep 15, 2007 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions

Wright

Is becoming an very good defensive third baseman.

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by DoctorK16 on Sep 15, 2007 1:36 PM EDT reply actions

Lohse was out

Now watch Rollins hit a 2-run home run. That's the way these games are going.

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by Greenpoint Ian on Sep 15, 2007 1:36 PM EDT reply actions

well it did end up costing Petey a lot of

pitches.

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by DoctorK16 on Sep 15, 2007 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions

jesus

It seems like the last half-season of Phils-Mets games has seen absolutely every break, bad call, ball that dropped, and close play go the Phils' way.

by anonymous on Sep 15, 2007 1:51 PM EDT reply actions

Reyes is totally lost

and just about a sure out in big situations

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by elifriedman on Sep 15, 2007 1:54 PM EDT reply actions

yeah

If I could invest in Reyes popup futures right now, I'd be a millionaire.

The only guy in that sequence I wanted to see up there was Lastings, and they plunked him to save a big inning.

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by Greenpoint Ian on Sep 15, 2007 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions

Pedro is DEALING

This is the best lineup in the NL, and he's got them flailing away.

Yeah, my id would have loved to Pedro stick one in Rowand's ear, but the strikeout is better.

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by Greenpoint Ian on Sep 15, 2007 2:01 PM EDT reply actions

yep

I wasn't ready to get on the Pedro bandwagon after the two last starts, where he was facing weak lineups and seemed to have some unusually difficult moments. Today is a return to form. He gets a bad break or two to prolong an inning, and he just sits back and notches another K.

by anonymous on Sep 15, 2007 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions

nice job for Carlos

and notwithstanding the K yesterday and getting doubled off earlier, Castillo has been great

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by elifriedman on Sep 15, 2007 2:11 PM EDT reply actions

A strange blessing

I love the Spanish announcers I'm getting on CW11. They are much funnier than the regular dudes.

Excellent stealing this inning, yes?

by ivy on Sep 15, 2007 2:16 PM EDT reply actions

lol

SAP button on your TV should give you Ingles again. Yeah the must have a key on the fact Coste can't throw.

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by DoctorK16 on Sep 15, 2007 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions

ok

3-1 lead is acceptable. Good to see LoDuca come through.

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by Greenpoint Ian on Sep 15, 2007 2:21 PM EDT reply actions

THAT's the Pedro I love

Stick it in Lohse ribs. It's about time someone on the Phils got plunked. Plus, he's so confident that he thinks he can get Rollins.

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by Greenpoint Ian on Sep 15, 2007 2:30 PM EDT reply actions

its about time that happened

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by DoctorK16 on Sep 15, 2007 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah

Though I have to say I'm disappointed Lohse didn't retaliate by hitting, say, Reyes and then getting tossed.

by jalsonmi on Sep 15, 2007 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions

Goddamn

Even when Reyes does right, he does wrong. Granted, how could he know they'd pitch out, but still.

Can't they just give him, say, all of the next Nationals series off?

by jalsonmi on Sep 15, 2007 2:40 PM EDT reply actions

I wonder if it'd help.

Granted that he needs to change his approach, get a little more patient at the plate and pick his spots like he was doing earlier in the year: Is Reyes really the kind of guy that is helped by time off? I feel like he's got so much energy that sitting on the bench might just drive him nuts, whereas maybe counseling him on a different approach and letting him put it in practice immediately would help.

by anonymous on Sep 15, 2007 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions

Possibly

But doesn't he just seem tired as hell?

by jalsonmi on Sep 15, 2007 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions

he needs time off IMO

just to give his body a break from the pounding he takes from the way he plays. The slides on the steals, the stopping and starting, the diving plays at SS. He plays baseball like a basketball player.

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by DoctorK16 on Sep 15, 2007 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions

also as the leadoff hitter he gets

more abs than anyone on the team. His mental focus is off in some of these games IMO.

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by DoctorK16 on Sep 15, 2007 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions

yeah, but that's the thing

It seems like so much of his problem is psychological, not physical. Will sitting on the bench make him a more patient hitter when he returns? I'm just not sure what would work best to try to get Reyes on the right track.

by anonymous on Sep 15, 2007 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions

I think the days off earlier

in the year will help him the mental grind. Now its too late to have an effect. A game here and there just to get keep him physically sharp and not thinking about the game.

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by DoctorK16 on Sep 15, 2007 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions

I can't fucking believe this

Mota warming up in the pen, because apparently Pedro Feliciano's 1 batter faced was too much.

Get ready, everyone, because Mota's going to be on the playoff roster, and he's going to cost them a few games.

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by Greenpoint Ian on Sep 15, 2007 3:04 PM EDT reply actions

i won't complain until Willie actually uses Mota

I would love another K from Petey. Double digits.

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by DoctorK16 on Sep 15, 2007 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions

OMFG

If he makes it onto the playoff roster, he is going to cost the Mets at least one game in each round of the playoffs until Willie wises up (cf. Trachsel 2006). The guy needs to be cut, right now.

by anonymous on Sep 15, 2007 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions

Reyes CS #2

Okay, fuck it, you're right. He needs to sit down for a few days.

by anonymous on Sep 15, 2007 3:26 PM EDT reply actions

the first one was OK

this is one was hideous.

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by DoctorK16 on Sep 15, 2007 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions

WTF was that. Awful.

You can't steal third with 2 out and the 3 hitter up. Just bad.

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by DoctorK16 on Sep 15, 2007 3:26 PM EDT reply actions

What a weird way to pitch to Castillo

Do you think Coste is calling for all these pitchouts because he's personally sore at the way the Mets are running on him? When you call for a pitchout that'll become ball three, it loses it's use, since you're this close to putting that guy on second anyway by putting the current batter on first. Which is of coruse what happened (though we did get a steal in there anyway--on a pitchout no less)

by jalsonmi on Sep 15, 2007 3:26 PM EDT reply actions

Cholly is probably calling the pitchouts

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by DoctorK16 on Sep 15, 2007 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions

But then of course Reyes goes and gets caught

He and the Mets stealing habits can be very frustrating when they do too much of it. Good baserunning has given them very little this game (Beltran probably would have scored irregardless of his two SB), poor baserunning has cost us four outs (if you count Castillo getting doubled off)

by jalsonmi on Sep 15, 2007 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions

That was out of the Vince Coleman school

of baserunning. Willie needs to get in his ass.

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by DoctorK16 on Sep 15, 2007 3:27 PM EDT reply actions

dumb, dumb, dumb

stupid time to try to steal and stupid to put more wear and tear on REyes body. Lately, Reyes just hasn't been using his head

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by elifriedman on Sep 15, 2007 3:28 PM EDT reply actions

why do I smell

a bullpen meltdown.

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by elifriedman on Sep 15, 2007 3:30 PM EDT reply actions

good gosh

why must we play like total shit against this team

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by elifriedman on Sep 15, 2007 3:31 PM EDT reply actions

this might be the dumbest game

they've played this year

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by elifriedman on Sep 15, 2007 3:32 PM EDT reply actions

Pedro Dos !!!!!!!!!!!

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by DoctorK16 on Sep 15, 2007 3:41 PM EDT reply actions

wow

utley, burrell and howard. What a job by the Pedros today. Now stop running and start hitting

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by elifriedman on Sep 15, 2007 3:41 PM EDT reply actions

Lil' Pedro makes up for it

And it wasn't even his fault, it's the fault of the horrendous schmuck who I want off the team (no not Mota. No not Willie. I mean Green) that the run scored. Yeah, he gave up the double, but way to strike out the three best hitters in the best line-up in the NL.

by jalsonmi on Sep 15, 2007 3:42 PM EDT reply actions

an horrendous schmuck?

for making an error on a tough play when he's been playing well lately. I wouldn't call him the schmuck

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by elifriedman on Sep 15, 2007 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions

why leave in Feliciano

with a righty up. Willie and Reyes are not getting into MENSA based on today's performance

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by elifriedman on Sep 15, 2007 3:52 PM EDT reply actions

rather Mota?

I can't kill the move. Pedro is .215 against righties this year. Last inning bullshit run bothers me more than this.

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by DoctorK16 on Sep 15, 2007 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions

rather Sosa

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by elifriedman on Sep 15, 2007 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions

Fuck, that is all

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by DoctorK16 on Sep 15, 2007 3:53 PM EDT reply actions

well Feliciano

had a tough 7th and he's been lucky lately to face more than one or two batters lately. That was really pushing the envelope. It would also be nice if Mets could get to the worst bullpen in baseball.

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by elifriedman on Sep 15, 2007 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions

an hit and error

is tough 7th. He struck their the side witch included their three best hitters.

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by DoctorK16 on Sep 15, 2007 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions

he pitched well

I meant it was tough because he had to work hard

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by elifriedman on Sep 15, 2007 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions

Once again they'll probably lose

It's getting absurd they way they're losing these games. Completely shooting themselves in the feet. And, as has been said, EVERY break going to the Phillies. what the fucking hell?

by jalsonmi on Sep 15, 2007 3:59 PM EDT reply actions

fuck beltran

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by elifriedman on Sep 15, 2007 4:07 PM EDT reply actions

OMFUG I can't beleive this shit

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by DoctorK16 on Sep 15, 2007 4:08 PM EDT reply actions

Phils this year = most years' Braves

The Mets just CANNOT figure out how to beat this team. It's the old Turner Field "house of horrors" effect in a different place this year. Fortunately, they beat up on every other team so much that it hardly matters.

by anonymous on Sep 15, 2007 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions

Except for the pitiful Central Division

the Mets haven't really beaten up on anybody

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by elifriedman on Sep 15, 2007 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions

still the best record in the NL

No matter how disappointing today is, and their play against the Phils in general, they're a good team.

by anonymous on Sep 15, 2007 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions

yes they are good and they were the best last year

but, they are more prone to having wheels fall off than any good team I have seen. They seem to get lethargic sometimes and, in case of Phillies, just really press. Weird

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by elifriedman on Sep 15, 2007 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions

I recently talked about

how I admired Mets character after the last Philly sweep. I might have to take that back. It's predictable-they will get swept here and then will win division anyway. However, the 2007 Mets are a team that falls to the occasion more than arising to it

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by elifriedman on Sep 15, 2007 4:10 PM EDT reply actions

gah

Call me crazy, but I would have put money on No-Show taking the loss.

I guess it's not too late.

Willie has such terrible bullpen, despite their decent overall numbers.

by citimetro on Sep 15, 2007 4:12 PM EDT reply actions

well the errors and misplayed balls in OF don't

help

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by DoctorK16 on Sep 15, 2007 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions

don't forget

the brilliant baserunning.

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by elifriedman on Sep 15, 2007 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions

yeah

Reyes' last bone-head attempt didn't make any sense at all. It was just selfish.

The commenters made some remark about him getting frustrated and trying to help his team. They were just covering for him.

There's virtually no scenario where 1_3 with two outs is better than 12_ with two outs. When the guy on 2nd is one of the fastest in baseball it is even dumber. It's nonsense, espec. with your clutchest hitter up.

I think he should have a press conference, come clean, apologize and be done with it.

by citimetro on Sep 15, 2007 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm afraid to say

that Reyes has become a selfish player. His failure to run out the grounder in Houston and other assorted pop-ups and his crazy baserunning exemplify this. I wonder if Ricky H., one of the most selfish players of all time, has something to do with it. Actually, I don't mind selfish as long as you produce and lately jose hasn't been doing that

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by elifriedman on Sep 15, 2007 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions

LoDuca swinging at first pitch

stupid baseball

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by elifriedman on Sep 15, 2007 4:21 PM EDT reply actions

agree

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by DoctorK16 on Sep 15, 2007 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions

PLD

is very prone to bouts of stupidity

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by elifriedman on Sep 15, 2007 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions

it was outside

but Gary it wasn't 8 or 9 inches outside. Pretty close pitch to take

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by elifriedman on Sep 15, 2007 4:45 PM EDT reply actions

True

I thought the same thing. Outside for sure, not 9 inches.

by JasonB on Sep 15, 2007 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions

Anderson

has every right to be made. That was a horrible call.

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by DoctorK16 on Sep 15, 2007 4:46 PM EDT reply actions

did you see the overhead shot

it almost hit the black. I wouldn't call it horrible call

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by elifriedman on Sep 15, 2007 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions

bonus tip for Reyes here:

DO NOT STEAL THIRD.

by anonymous on Sep 15, 2007 4:49 PM EDT reply actions

c'mon Davey

they give you just enough hope to tantalize you

by citimetro on Sep 15, 2007 4:50 PM EDT reply actions

Stomach punch

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by DoctorK16 on Sep 15, 2007 4:54 PM EDT reply actions

Mets win tomorrow

magic # at 9 with 12 games left against 2 bad teams. Hopefully, we can do something against Adam (awful against everybody but Mets) Eaton. Would not like to see this team in October.

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by elifriedman on Sep 15, 2007 4:56 PM EDT reply actions

Mets are playing afraid

The Phillies are so far inside the Mets heads right now that it's making the Mets press, and we end up with horrible baseball all around (not the least of which was running out of an inning in the 6th). The Mets are afraid of the Phillies, it's that simple.

Well, there was one guy who wasn't afraid of the Phillies today, because he ain't afraid of anything: Pedro Martinez.

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by Greenpoint Ian on Sep 15, 2007 7:08 PM EDT reply actions

I hate the Phillies.

But mostly I hate the way we blew this game. We beat ourselves. Utley's bloop in the first that should have been caught, IMO. Jose trying to steal 3B in the 6th. (Why, with 2 outs?) And I agree with other people here who have been saying that Jose is wearing himself out doing so much stealing. Beltran misplaying that ball hit by Rollins. Our offense not scoring when we had the bases loaded with no outs. And not scoring, and not scoring when there were other opportunities. And of course, there's the bullpen that should be able to hold onto a 3-1 lead.

But at least Pedro was awesome and hopefully will become even more so with each start and good and strong for the playoffs. Which will not include the Phillies if I have anything to say about it.

Win tomorrow. That's an order. And I agree with Greenpoint Ian -- Mets need to take their cue from fierce, fearless Pedro. He doesn't let the Phillies intimidate him or get into his psyche.

And Beltran, I think you're mostly an A+ defensive guy, but sheesh, you've been playing at Shea now since 2005 -- I should think you would have mastered the wind patterns.

Anyway, go Mets!

by Max in NJ on Sep 15, 2007 11:14 PM EDT reply actions