Open Thread - Game 152: Mets vs. Marlins (09/20/2007) on SNY

by Eric Simon on Sep 20, 2007 5:37 PM EDT

Tale of the tape:

	Glavine	Willis
ERA	3.88	5.34
FIP	4.63	5.16
K/9	3.88	6.25
BB/9	2.84	3.72
K/BB	1.37	1.68
HR/9	0.90	1.34
WHIP	1.34	1.64
GB/FB	1.14	1.48
BABIP	.278	.336
eBABIP	.333	.334

Que se dillio:

The Marlins held Dontrelle out of last night's game just so he could pitch against the Mets tonight. That's terrific. I was sick again today but dragged my beleaguered ass into work today because Matsumura Fishworks simply couldn't function without me for a day. To many involved it appeared that I had made a miraculous recovery on the heels of the Mets finally winning a game for the first time since forever.

Check out the preview of today's game at Baseball-Reference.com.

The other side of the tracks:

Check out Fish Stripes for discussion of this game from the point-of-view of the opponent.

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let me be the first to say:

stop playing Jeff Conine already! He's like the Guillermo Mota of position players.

by anonymous on Sep 20, 2007 6:32 PM EDT reply actions

Dude he's over 40

Forget it and save your heart!

Talkin' Sports

by BlackOps on Sep 20, 2007 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions

hello world

The Ave. seems to be in hibernation tonight. Good save there by Glavine, and the Mets are handling Willis as convincingly as I think they ever have.

by anonymous on Sep 20, 2007 8:05 PM EDT reply actions

better than

a bunch of idiots that do nothing but criticize

by gogomets on Sep 20, 2007 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions

Yea!

Party time here tonight!

by Eric Simon on Sep 20, 2007 8:10 PM EDT reply actions

Phillies

Down 6-2. Nice to see the Nats picking on someone else for a change.

by Eric Simon on Sep 20, 2007 8:11 PM EDT reply actions

excellent.

EAMUS METROPOLIS!

by pingel on Sep 20, 2007 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions

nice of them to spread it around

And if Manny Acta isn't the landslide NL Manager of the Year, it'll be a gross injustice.

by anonymous on Sep 20, 2007 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions

Taylor Tankersley is boring.

I get FSN Florida for this game. Thanks Extra Innings!

EAMUS METROPOLIS!

by pingel on Sep 20, 2007 8:40 PM EDT reply actions

ugh.

EAMUS METROPOLIS!

by pingel on Sep 20, 2007 8:47 PM EDT reply actions

willis has been everywhere

so i haven't given up.

EAMUS METROPOLIS!

by pingel on Sep 20, 2007 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions

A triple by Jacobs??

Got the gameday up here at work, somebody HAD to have dove and missed there, can anyone confirm or deny?

by The Irresistable Force on Sep 20, 2007 8:51 PM EDT reply actions

it was over beltran's head

then bounced the other way so he had to run it down.

EAMUS METROPOLIS!

by pingel on Sep 20, 2007 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions

Thanks

for the info

by The Irresistable Force on Sep 20, 2007 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions

wtf?

Milledge's purported immaturity seems to have returned here.

by anonymous on Sep 20, 2007 9:25 PM EDT reply actions

yeah that was insane

EAMUS METROPOLIS!

by pingel on Sep 20, 2007 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions

Seems like one person on the team has any enthusia

Talkin' Sports

by BlackOps on Sep 20, 2007 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions

how does it help the team

if he gets tossed (and likely suspended) for it?

by anonymous on Sep 20, 2007 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions

W T F WILLIE

I simply cannot believe that Conine was allowed to bat there.

by anonymous on Sep 20, 2007 9:44 PM EDT reply actions

Duh

Conine's a Proven Veteran™.

by Eric Simon on Sep 20, 2007 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions

And...

...the Phillies have tied the game at 6.

by Eric Simon on Sep 20, 2007 9:45 PM EDT reply actions

what the hell is going on?

EAMUS METROPOLIS!

by pingel on Sep 20, 2007 9:47 PM EDT reply actions

not sure

It seems like some jerkoff in the stands threw something at Heilman.

by anonymous on Sep 20, 2007 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions

apparently.

someone threw a ball on the field. it look like it had something attached to it, like a note.

EAMUS METROPOLIS!

by pingel on Sep 20, 2007 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions

Lets do this!

come on!!!

EAMUS METROPOLIS!

by pingel on Sep 20, 2007 9:58 PM EDT reply actions

Gotay bunting?

Come on, man. Swing away.

by anonymous on Sep 20, 2007 10:00 PM EDT reply actions

Bah

Effing Phillies took the lead.

by Eric Simon on Sep 20, 2007 10:01 PM EDT reply actions

That.

was close.

EAMUS METROPOLIS!

by pingel on Sep 20, 2007 10:01 PM EDT reply actions

dumb,

but fast enough to cancel it out.

by anonymous on Sep 20, 2007 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions

Woot

First and third, Vulcan Jew to bat.

by Eric Simon on Sep 20, 2007 10:02 PM EDT reply actions

Reyes.

have a friggin good at bat.

please.

EAMUS METROPOLIS!

by pingel on Sep 20, 2007 10:03 PM EDT reply actions

nice.

We finally found a situation where a Reyes fly out would be totally welcome.

by anonymous on Sep 20, 2007 10:03 PM EDT reply actions

Well

If it's his typical infield pop-up you can forget it.

by Eric Simon on Sep 20, 2007 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions

yeah

Tongue firmly in cheek there. He's got to at least get some muscle on it. Reyes looks really bad and jumpy here.

by anonymous on Sep 20, 2007 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions

Ugh

You simply have to put the ball in play there.

by Eric Simon on Sep 20, 2007 10:08 PM EDT reply actions

couldn't see the breaking ball at all

That's the kind of at-bat Reyes last had in his first cup of coffee in the big leagues. Ugly.

by anonymous on Sep 20, 2007 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions

Anderson pinch-hits

Not that I hate to see Marlon against the Marlins, but does this mean Castillo and Delgado are completely unavailable?

by anonymous on Sep 20, 2007 10:09 PM EDT reply actions

Mr. Anderson

we never should have gotten rid of you.

EAMUS METROPOLIS!

by pingel on Sep 20, 2007 10:10 PM EDT reply actions

MARLON!

Why did we ever let him go?

by anonymous on Sep 20, 2007 10:10 PM EDT reply actions

Marlone!!!

That's how it's done, boys.

by Eric Simon on Sep 20, 2007 10:11 PM EDT reply actions

Anderson is too clutch

Keep Lastings Milledge Free

by DoctorK16 on Sep 20, 2007 10:12 PM EDT reply actions

can someone please tell me

what we pay wagner to do?

because i'm not really sure.

dead arm....bah.

EAMUS METROPOLIS!

by pingel on Sep 20, 2007 10:13 PM EDT reply actions

though i'm fine

with Pedro2 coming in.

EAMUS METROPOLIS!

by pingel on Sep 20, 2007 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions

Howie and Tom

on the radio speculate it might be back spasms, not the infamous tired arm.

by anonymous on Sep 20, 2007 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions

MARLON!

He must be on the 'roids.

by Josh @ Amazin' Avenue on Sep 20, 2007 10:13 PM EDT reply actions

Tack 'em on

We need all the runs we can get.

by Eric Simon on Sep 20, 2007 10:14 PM EDT reply actions

great inning.

Reyes still looks lost, but everyone else came through -- with the exception of the still smoking-hot Wright. Four runs in, Alou still at the plate, and the game seemingly saved, you've got to feel this team still has the ability to win games with their bats.

by anonymous on Sep 20, 2007 10:16 PM EDT reply actions

that was a vintage 2004 Reyes ab

Keep Lastings Milledge Free

by DoctorK16 on Sep 20, 2007 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions

totally agree

I wonder if he might need to get his eyes checked or something? He just didn't seem to be seeing pitches at all, and his selectivity is completely gone at this point.

by anonymous on Sep 20, 2007 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions

pressing a bit I think

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by DoctorK16 on Sep 20, 2007 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions

a bit????

Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Sep 20, 2007 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions

i guess we aren't taking any chances?

EAMUS METROPOLIS!

by pingel on Sep 20, 2007 10:22 PM EDT reply actions

dammit Willie

Why the short hook with Feliciano? I would be much more comfortable with him than Sosa for the remainder of this inning. Matchups are not the only thing to consider.

by anonymous on Sep 20, 2007 10:23 PM EDT reply actions

! ! ! asdf ! ! !

I did not get to watch or listen to this game live. I don't know if that's a good thing or bad.

But from what I've read of the recaps and comments and all, I can say that I would have been asking this exact same question at the exact same time, anon.

Has Willie never pulled up Pedro Feliciano's splits? Lefties are hitting .182 against him. Righties are hitting .212.

The dude is just a specialist--not for fucking lefties or righties or whatever. He gets motherfuckers out. How is it that I know that and Willie does not?

We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!

by kingcritical on Sep 21, 2007 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions

Cabrera vs. Sosa

Was that outcome in any doubt at all?

by anonymous on Sep 20, 2007 10:25 PM EDT reply actions

argh.

So, what a great move to go to Sosa here.

by anonymous on Sep 20, 2007 10:30 PM EDT reply actions

Where Is Wagner???

Jesus. I am not a big second guesser of managers but you have been in free fall, grab the lead and don't hand it over to your closer!! Isn't that why the guy is getting paid all that money?? Is he hurt and I don't know it???? What the hell!!!

by millsy on Sep 20, 2007 10:31 PM EDT reply actions

see above

He's obviously unavailable for some reason, perhaps back spasms.

by anonymous on Sep 20, 2007 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions

must be hurt

Back Spasms supposedly.

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by DoctorK16 on Sep 20, 2007 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions

Uggh!!!

This is painful.

by millsy on Sep 20, 2007 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions

very painful.

EAMUS METROPOLIS!

by pingel on Sep 20, 2007 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions

can't go much further here

If this goes as a loss, it's a black mark on the pitching staff for sure, but also, we need to put some of it on the complete lack of situational awareness in Willie's bullpen usage. Again.

by anonymous on Sep 20, 2007 10:36 PM EDT reply actions

Beautiful

Just fucking beautiful

by Josh @ Amazin' Avenue on Sep 20, 2007 10:38 PM EDT reply actions

we didn't lose yet

Keep Lastings Milledge Free

by DoctorK16 on Sep 20, 2007 10:40 PM EDT reply actions

Yet

by Josh @ Amazin' Avenue on Sep 20, 2007 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions

Yet

being the key word.

Question - With the absolutely horrid performance of this pen why isn't Willie trying using Humber for an inning here and there? Can he be any worse than Mota or Sosa? The Yankees have had a lot of success with Chamberlain. It is worth a shot. He has to try something different b/c this isn't working.

by millsy on Sep 20, 2007 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions

Humber will likely get into this game

everyone else has been used

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by DoctorK16 on Sep 20, 2007 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions

No Doubt

but that is going to be out of necessity rather than trying something different during this horrible stretch. I like Willie but he has a tendancy to stick with the so-called proven vets too long. Mike DeJean/Manny Aybar anyone????

Maybe Willie knows something I don't but sometimes when things are going bad you just need to do something different and it is hard for me to believe Humber would have been any worse than Mota.

by millsy on Sep 20, 2007 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions

i share a birthday

with Manny Aybar. I'm so ashamed...

EAMUS METROPOLIS!

by pingel on Sep 20, 2007 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm sorry

but think of it this way - you can't pick your birthday.

by millsy on Sep 20, 2007 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions

why?

Mental illness?

Stubborn inability to admit a mistake?

Personal vendetta?

by anonymous on Sep 20, 2007 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions

SOsa wasn't that bad

a bloop double and a bad error from Mr.MVP who has been awful in the field lately.

Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Sep 20, 2007 10:49 PM EDT reply actions

really?

You seriously wouldn't have preferred to see Feliciano try to pitch the whole 9th inning? Or Humber get a shot?

by anonymous on Sep 20, 2007 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions

DW

Made a great play to catch that ball and I'm not sure that Conine couldn't have caught it.

Keep Lastings Milledge Free

by DoctorK16 on Sep 20, 2007 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions

yeah

if he had a ten foot arm. Look I love Wright but he's in a fielding slump and this game was won if he doesn't make that error.

Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Sep 20, 2007 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions

still feel this way?

At least we don't have to suffer any longer.

This team needs a new bullpen.

by anonymous on Sep 20, 2007 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions

Why Is Sosa

still pitching. I get that we have used a lot of pitchers but the penant is pretty much on the line. He doesn't have it tonight - get him out of there.

by millsy on Sep 20, 2007 10:58 PM EDT reply actions

because

Willie is a stupid fucking idiot. Why not try Humber. Sosa pitched a tough inning yesterday and one today. No way should he be pitching 2 today.

Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Sep 20, 2007 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions

I like Willie

but I agree here. He should have rolled Humber out to pitch the 10th. The guy is starter and he hasn't thrown in a while so he could go 5-6 innings if needed.

by millsy on Sep 20, 2007 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions

My soul hurts.

Keep Lastings Milledge Free

by DoctorK16 on Sep 20, 2007 10:58 PM EDT reply actions

I may stop blogging

this team isn't worth my damn time. I really, really don't believe in my heart that the will make the playoffs or that they deserve to.

Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Sep 20, 2007 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions

yeah.

Ultimately I don't think they have the pitching, especially the bullpen, to succeed this year. But I don't know if they'd be sinking like a rock like this if they were managed by someone who knew how to get the most out of a bullpen.

by anonymous on Sep 20, 2007 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions

Willie is an idiot

moron...fool, idiot, whatever term you can come up with...does not know how to manage his way out of a cardboard box.

by Grouchoman on Sep 20, 2007 11:01 PM EDT reply actions

it's time

Willie Randolph's job needs to be on the line here. The stupid bullpen decisions have to stop. Sure, he doesn't have too much to work with, but he's got to stop going back to the same losers the 20th time out and expecting different results.

by anonymous on Sep 20, 2007 11:01 PM EDT reply actions

The Definition of Insanity

is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. He has to stop going to guys like Sosa and Mota and give Humber and possibly Pelfrey (if he isn't needed to start again) a shot out there. This isn't working so he needs to mix it up.

I like the job Willie has been doing for the most part but he seems in brain lock right now.

by millsy on Sep 20, 2007 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions

I think Sosa has one more inning in him

by Simons on Sep 20, 2007 11:03 PM EDT reply actions

also what in the world is the matter

with Reyes. His hitting is pitiful and he looks very tentative in the field. It can't just be fatigue. This is show time. If you can't get your adrenaline flowing now you aren't much of a baseball player.

Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Sep 20, 2007 11:05 PM EDT reply actions

this is second time in week

that Willie gave up on Feliciano after one hitter. When you're don't have Wagner and your bullpen is depleted you don't do that. Sorry Doc, but Lastings truly fucked up. He's a fucking kid. He should keep his fucking mouth shut. Now he might be suspended. I'm getting this all in because I have to stop doing this for awhile.

Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Sep 20, 2007 11:09 PM EDT reply actions

Didn't see it live. I saw the replay

Yes he kid, he's 22, we were fucking kids sometimes at that age. He still the best right fielder on the Mets, plus he has great examples from Anderson, Alou and PLD on how to get kicked out of games, and their Proven Vets.

Keep Lastings Milledge Free

by DoctorK16 on Sep 21, 2007 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions

Reminding Me of the '64 Phillies

I wasn't alive for the collapse of the 1964 Phillies but I have read that Gene Mauch was criticized for using his two best pitchers, Jim Bunning and Chris Short, on short rest during their losing streak which cost them the penant. I am loath to criticize Willie because for the most part I think he has done a good job (let us not forget Art Howe) but his constantly going back to these useless guys in the pen is reminding me of Mauch's mistake. He needs to mix it up. As I have said above, can Humber be any worse than what he has been getting?

And what the heck is the matter with Wagner. Of all the times for this to happen. Uggh!!!

by millsy on Sep 20, 2007 11:27 PM EDT reply actions