Open Thread - Game 157: Mets vs. Nationals (09/25/2007) on SNY

by Eric Simon on Sep 25, 2007 6:04 PM EDT

Tale of the tape:

	Glavine	Bergmann
ERA	3.97	4.30
FIP	4.65	4.85
K/9	3.92	6.83
BB/9	2.82	3.21
K/BB	1.39	2.13
HR/9	0.92	1.43
WHIP	1.36	1.19
GB/FB	1.14	0.64
BABIP	.285	.247
eBABIP	.335	.276

Que se dillio:

For a team with designs on winning the division, last night's game was an utter embarrassment. The Nationals are last or nigh last in virtually every offensive category and the Mets' pitchers have spent the last week making them look like the '31 Yankees. Tom Glavine goes tonight, and though Glav-o was not particularly impressive his last time out against the Marlins he was *very* good in his four starts prior. The Mets really need him to bring his "A" game tonight, as it's time for the Mets to take control of this division. Glavine will be opposed by birthday boy Jason Bergmann who has pitched pretty well in two starts this season against the Mets.

Check out the preview of today's game at Baseball-Reference.com.

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Check out Federal Baseball for discussion of this game from the point-of-view of the opponent.

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birthday boy Bergmann

I hope the Mets get him the right present: an early shower and the rest of the night off.

by anonymous on Sep 25, 2007 6:16 PM EDT reply actions

well, fantastic.

Thanks, Glavine, for serving (it up) as the "stopper."

Why cannot this team get Austin Kearns out? The rest of the league seems to manage.

by anonymous on Sep 25, 2007 7:22 PM EDT reply actions

good night, Gracie

This team practically demands to be ignored as they continue the late-season swoon. As soon as I come up with something more entertaining than seeing how low they can sink, that is.

by anonymous on Sep 25, 2007 7:26 PM EDT reply actions

Glavine

Really stepping up tonight. Just terrible.

by Eric Simon on Sep 25, 2007 7:27 PM EDT reply actions

Green

Nice little at-bat here in the bottom of the second.

by Eric Simon on Sep 25, 2007 7:50 PM EDT reply actions

I'm sorry

AWESOME at-bat by Green.

by Eric Simon on Sep 25, 2007 7:52 PM EDT reply actions

green

he looked like a hitter there didnt he?

by metsexile on Sep 25, 2007 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions

No doubt

Incredible. Just fantastic.

"I'm Tim Teufel, let me begin by saying I was once a Twin/I made the move and it feels just right/I've been Metsmerized and I see the light."

by TheFlushingKings on Sep 25, 2007 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions

Playoff atmosphere

It's like last year's NLCS all over again. The crowd living and dying on every pitch, each inning a fierce battle. Awesome.

"I'm Tim Teufel, let me begin by saying I was once a Twin/I made the move and it feels just right/I've been Metsmerized and I see the light."

by TheFlushingKings on Sep 25, 2007 7:58 PM EDT reply actions

Oh, damn

Those pesky Nats. (Get it?)

"I'm Tim Teufel, let me begin by saying I was once a Twin/I made the move and it feels just right/I've been Metsmerized and I see the light."

by TheFlushingKings on Sep 25, 2007 8:04 PM EDT reply actions

Mm-mm

Nothing like a homer from the eighth-place September call-up to rile you up.

"I'm Tim Teufel, let me begin by saying I was once a Twin/I made the move and it feels just right/I've been Metsmerized and I see the light."

by TheFlushingKings on Sep 25, 2007 8:16 PM EDT reply actions

Deeeeep Hurting

by Simons on Sep 25, 2007 8:25 PM EDT reply actions

Oh, AWESOME

Now the Phillies game is tied. Sigh The only thing we had going for us...

"I'm Tim Teufel, let me begin by saying I was once a Twin/I made the move and it feels just right/I've been Metsmerized and I see the light."

by TheFlushingKings on Sep 25, 2007 8:31 PM EDT reply actions

My Philly Roomates

Are driving me insane right now...if we blow this, I may freakin snap on them. I could need two new roomates by the end of the week, anybody in?

by hammy8700 on Sep 25, 2007 8:31 PM EDT reply actions

justifiable homicide

by Simons on Sep 25, 2007 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions

Sigh

Did Peterson run out of magic juice?

"As for 1966--oy. Chilcott was a catcher who never reached the majors. The number two pick was held by the Kansas City A's. They picked Reggie Jackson"

by NewMet5 on Sep 25, 2007 8:37 PM EDT reply actions

Nice start Tommy

Not like the team needed you or anything pitching in between the rookies.Of course the AJC has all kind of stuff saying you'll be pitching for the Braves next season, I hope you put this kind of performance in for them.

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by DoctorK16 on Sep 25, 2007 8:37 PM EDT reply actions

mmmm

Another Rookie. Yay Rookies!

"As for 1966--oy. Chilcott was a catcher who never reached the majors. The number two pick was held by the Kansas City A's. They picked Reggie Jackson"

by NewMet5 on Sep 25, 2007 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions

Gotay

I love you.

"As for 1966--oy. Chilcott was a catcher who never reached the majors. The number two pick was held by the Kansas City A's. They picked Reggie Jackson"

by NewMet5 on Sep 25, 2007 8:40 PM EDT reply actions

Proven Vets My Ass

Shut up Keith, the Vets are the one who have been killing us in that pen.

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by DoctorK16 on Sep 25, 2007 8:42 PM EDT reply actions

Reyes

Those last two pitches were high and outside. He needs to take those.

by Eric Simon on Sep 25, 2007 8:43 PM EDT reply actions

trying to be hero

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by DoctorK16 on Sep 25, 2007 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions

I know he hit the homer

but he's 0-2 with RISP and his inability to get Gotay to third cost Mets a run. He is playing stupid and killing this team.I've seen enough of his horrid play.

Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Sep 25, 2007 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions

SONOFA!

That was the last thing we needed...

I know, that was obvious.
I'm just really pissed...Phils 5, Braves 4

by hammy8700 on Sep 25, 2007 8:49 PM EDT reply actions

Keith and Gary are wrong

give the kid a chance. The vets just suck. In fact, Gary is getting on my nerves on this. Just shut the fuck up alreay. Ihope he ks the side

Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Sep 25, 2007 8:52 PM EDT reply actions

Wow

Muniz' stats at Binghamton are great. What a spot to make your MLB debut in.

"I'm Tim Teufel, let me begin by saying I was once a Twin/I made the move and it feels just right/I've been Metsmerized and I see the light."

by TheFlushingKings on Sep 25, 2007 8:52 PM EDT reply actions

Jeez, enough already

The booth goofs sound amazed that Muniz can tie his shoes, let alone throw the ball to the plate without wetting his pants

by Simons on Sep 25, 2007 8:53 PM EDT reply actions

Why wasn't this Muniz kid before

He looks competent.

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by DoctorK16 on Sep 25, 2007 8:59 PM EDT reply actions

not much experience

and he would have taken innings away from Mota of course

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by elifriedman on Sep 25, 2007 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions

yeah

That Proven Vet Mota needs his innings.

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by DoctorK16 on Sep 25, 2007 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions

so Muniz does OK

ready to apologize Gary and Keith

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by elifriedman on Sep 25, 2007 8:59 PM EDT reply actions

Something to think about

the next time we all throw Willie under the bus for not using the rooks. He uses one guy for one inning in a 6-3 game and all three of the broadcasters go ape.

by Simons on Sep 25, 2007 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions

well the broadcasters are wrong

it would seem that they haven't been watching the games they have been broadcasting over the last few weeks.

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by elifriedman on Sep 25, 2007 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions

fuck them

what do they know

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by DoctorK16 on Sep 25, 2007 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions

not much lately

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by elifriedman on Sep 25, 2007 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions

Ah Ha

The rook pull through and the Bravos tie the game up...Let's go Offense!

by hammy8700 on Sep 25, 2007 8:59 PM EDT reply actions

Beltran

just looks real tired. he just runs into too many walls

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by elifriedman on Sep 25, 2007 9:06 PM EDT reply actions

The password is 'soft'

by Simons on Sep 25, 2007 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions

You can't see me...

so I am telling you: I'm rolling my eyes right now.

by SQUAD on Sep 25, 2007 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions

he looks hurt

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by DoctorK16 on Sep 25, 2007 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions

Everybody needs a holiday

Willie should just field an all-backup team the next time they face a righthander.

by Simons on Sep 25, 2007 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions

How does Green get left in to hit

That was a spot for Milledge

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by DoctorK16 on Sep 25, 2007 9:19 PM EDT reply actions

not to be

"that guy"... but I think Milledge is still serving his 3 game suspension as of tonight...

by hammy8700 on Sep 25, 2007 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions

Saturday

Sunday and Monday. It's over now.

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by DoctorK16 on Sep 25, 2007 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions

I stand corrected

by hammy8700 on Sep 25, 2007 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions

but Green has been so hot lately

and Milledge cold. Can't kill Willie for that

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by elifriedman on Sep 25, 2007 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions

Green can't hit lefties

at all .198/.268/.293 561 OPS. Milledge kills lefties .305/.379/.542 921 OPS. Regardless of the coldness in the last week it was a spot for Milo.

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by DoctorK16 on Sep 25, 2007 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions

would ordinarily agree

but Green has been clutch and he did make decent contact. I wouldn't go all stats right now, but Milledge over Gomez no brainer

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by elifriedman on Sep 25, 2007 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions

was clamoring for the rookie

but a second inning was pushing it. Willie just doesn't have anywhere to go

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by elifriedman on Sep 25, 2007 9:25 PM EDT reply actions

this kid is gonna help the Mets

throws inside. Me like

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by DoctorK16 on Sep 25, 2007 9:26 PM EDT reply actions

bullpen

willie has had a quick hook all year. he's now paying for it (i know many managers in the majors are in a similar position). tired bullpen... rookie having to come in in a key spot. not good.

by metsexile on Sep 25, 2007 9:26 PM EDT reply actions

shoulda double switched

Milledge in, not weak hitting Gomez. Must be in Wilie's doghouse. REal stupid move

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by elifriedman on Sep 25, 2007 9:29 PM EDT reply actions

that makes no sense

I think Willie must figure he wants to save Milo for a spot with runners on, that's the only thing that explains this.

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by DoctorK16 on Sep 25, 2007 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions

Thursday's lineup against St. Louis

3B Gotay
SS AHernandez
2B MAnderson
CC Castro
1B Green
RF Milledge
CF Chavez
LF Gomez
PP Martinez

by Simons on Sep 25, 2007 9:31 PM EDT reply actions

Nice play guys

Delgado doesn't field cleanly, Reyes doesn't cover, Willie doesn't put in the lefty, and Sosa throws a hanging slider. Just winning baseball.

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by DoctorK16 on Sep 25, 2007 9:35 PM EDT reply actions

I hate to sound like broken record

but this team is an embarrassment and I just hate Reyes right now.

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by elifriedman on Sep 25, 2007 9:35 PM EDT reply actions

I finally figured it out.

Mets are trying to do old friend Manny Acta a solid by beefing up his Manager of the Year credentials.

by anonymous on Sep 25, 2007 9:36 PM EDT reply actions

how about Nats averaging over 9 runs/game

over last 5 with Mets and they're the worst hitting team in majors

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by elifriedman on Sep 25, 2007 9:36 PM EDT reply actions

actually,

sorry Reyes wasn't picked off on that. He should have been. Honestly, i would bench him tomorrow at least and put Gotay in for god's sake

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by elifriedman on Sep 25, 2007 9:44 PM EDT reply actions

Willie

If looks could kill, Willie would be in jail for murder right now.

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by DoctorK16 on Sep 25, 2007 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions

now the offense is falling apart

no big hits the last couple of nights. Hopefully pressure isn't getting to DW.

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by elifriedman on Sep 25, 2007 9:51 PM EDT reply actions

when every time you look up your

pitchers are giving up runs I'm sure that helps the offense.

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by DoctorK16 on Sep 25, 2007 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions

DFA'd this fucking waste pitcher

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by DoctorK16 on Sep 25, 2007 9:55 PM EDT reply actions

how about a big

raspberry for Glavine tonight. Talk about a proven vet coming up small. I welcome Humber tomorrow.

What's the point of going for 2. gotta play infield in Willie.

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by elifriedman on Sep 25, 2007 9:58 PM EDT reply actions

I think we're gonna see Pedro tommorow

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by DoctorK16 on Sep 25, 2007 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions

Haven't heard this mentioned...

Is it possible that the extra day of rest has hurt the other starters (Glavine, Maine, Perez, Pelfrey). Having to accommodate Pedro has taken them out of their routine. I know Maine and Perez could probably benefit from the extra day, but it could actually hurt them.

Haven't seen this mentioned anywhere. Thoughts?

by SQUAD on Sep 25, 2007 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions

this time of year

I think the extra day can only help.

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by DoctorK16 on Sep 25, 2007 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions

You would think so,

but pitchers are weirdos. They wear jackets in the summer and are notoriously creatures of habit. Guys like Glavine and Mussina have gone on record saying they prefer to stay on regular rest.

And for the young guys like Pelfrey, Maine, and Perez, pitching coaches drill into them the importance of routine: repeatable delivery, same arm angle, same warmup routine... same routine between starts. This could conceivably affect them adversely. Also, an extra day to wallow over how bad they've been.

by SQUAD on Sep 25, 2007 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions

Five GIDP

In ONE GAME!!!
I'm gonna pull my hair out!!!

by hammy8700 on Sep 25, 2007 10:12 PM EDT reply actions

Correction:

FOUR!!!
Man, I need to look more closely at things before posting...sorry for being an ass haha.

by hammy8700 on Sep 25, 2007 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions

Phillies lose

Magic #4. Mets still gonna be 2 games up.

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by DoctorK16 on Sep 25, 2007 10:18 PM EDT reply actions

I would hate to say this...

but are we gonna be the Cardinals of 07 here?

by hammy8700 on Sep 25, 2007 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions

The Mets learned well

from last year's World Series participants: back your way into the playoffs with your worst baseball of the season! It's all part of the plan!!!

Seriously, I'm getting tired of being pounded by the damn Expos. Maybe Humber will save the day tomorrow.

Fire Willie Randolph!

by Greenpoint Ian on Sep 25, 2007 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions

Sele blows

Sele and Mota must have pictures of Willie in drag ala De La Hoya.

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by DoctorK16 on Sep 25, 2007 10:19 PM EDT reply actions

Alouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

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by DoctorK16 on Sep 25, 2007 10:44 PM EDT reply actions

shhhhhhh

by SQUAD on Sep 25, 2007 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions

Wow

And here I was ready to write this game off.

by Josh @ Amazin' Avenue on Sep 25, 2007 10:45 PM EDT reply actions

Anyone read "How the Bad Guys Won?"

Like Keith Hernandez said during game 6... nobody move.

by SQUAD on Sep 25, 2007 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions

Sounds good

I'll sit here and keep eating my Chinese food

by Josh @ Amazin' Avenue on Sep 25, 2007 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions

yeah

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by DoctorK16 on Sep 25, 2007 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions

holy fucking shit

I tune the game out for a few innings, and this is what happens? Maybe I should stop watching entirely.

by anonymous on Sep 25, 2007 10:50 PM EDT reply actions

for my health, that might not be a bad idea

Oh, and last year, Delgado would have homered there.

We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!

by kingcritical on Sep 25, 2007 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions

DAMN

by Josh @ Amazin' Avenue on Sep 25, 2007 10:52 PM EDT reply actions

Damnit!

This sucks.

But, have to love the offense fighting back like that.

If the pen could ever get its act together...

by SQUAD on Sep 25, 2007 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions

didn't deserve to win

Randolph pitched Sele and Mota when the game was still within reach. Chavez tried (and failed) to run into the game-ending out at third, and LoDuca swung at the first pitch.

It's a good summary of everything that could kill this team in the postseason: a dreadful bullpen full of Proven Veterans who maybe will be good next time, and gritty, agressive, get your uniform dirty baseball leading to outs.

Fire Willie Randolph!

by Greenpoint Ian on Sep 25, 2007 10:54 PM EDT reply actions

Chavez

To be fair to him, it's a slightly less risky play (though still a stupid one) because Zimmerman is playing so far off the line with Delgado up (and that's probably why Zimmerman missed the tag, for that matter).

by Josh @ Amazin' Avenue on Sep 25, 2007 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions